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Others may correct me on this, but I think there were issues at one stage with component out of the Topfield, (they may have been fixed?).  Perhaps try s'video on (a short cable run) to see if it improves PQ.

Chris,

Thanks I'll try S Video and let you know how it goes - I am just hoping that I get all the FTA channels and I will have to put up with the clown faces!!!!!

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Hi there.....Actually Artarmon is one of the worst areas in Sydney for TV reception, the reason being is the RF lobe does not extend down that close to the antenna. Your actually too close.

The building at the base of the ch 10/7 mast can't receive a sausage..not even a sniff. In order to monitor (not sure if this is still the way they do it) they actually have a UHF antenna pointed at kings cross translater, since all the translater does is pick up VHF and upconvert and retransmit UHF.

Like ChrisM says try the composite video...then go into the menu and set the correct output signal to come out the compenent out...and u should be good to go. I am betting your STB is set to RGB, which the teac don't like.

nsdn, I am actually moving to North Sydney on the weekend and hoping that the move will improve PQ and also let me get channel 9!!!

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Back to the TEAC, has anyone noticed the noise from the top left of the unit? I thought it was interference through the speakers but it's still there when I muted it. Is it the screen itself (or whatever "fires" the screen up)?

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Yes, I suppose it's a buzzing, something like the white noise you get through speakers when the volume's turned up but there's no signal. My TV room is fairly quiet and when the sound's turned down, I can notice it from my chair. Not highly annoying but I wonder if it's normal, or an indication of something wrong?

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Now that I've had the Teac long enough to run up some hours I thought its about time I posted a proper review.

The equipment I used to test the screen was an LG HDSTB and a Philips Q50 DVD player. I tried all the outputs on both devices, and tried both PAL and NTSC output on the Q50 using PAL "Digital Video Essentials" and NTSC "Video Essentials".

Build Quality:

I think the screen is made in Taiwan by Sampo, and it uses an LG Panel, (an LGE PDP42V52330 made in 12/03 to be precise). The general build quality looks OK, and it comes with a sturdy stand. Perhaps an LG owner can tell me what screen it's derived from.

The screen is quiet, apart from a slight buzzing sound as someone previously mentioned. I cannot hear it at all, unless I listen closely behind the screen.

Inputs:

The screen has a good range of inputs, including 2 HD capable component inputs, VGA, (with a VGA loop through) and DVI. Unfortunately the DVI will not handle HD signals, so its only of use as a computer input. EDIT: (this is incorrect - the Teac WILL accept HD via DVI, see posts below).

All the RCAs are easy to access and look to be decent gold plated connectors.

Picture Quality:

Black level is OK and contrast is fine IMO. The spec is 2000:1, but I doubt it is that high once the screen is calibrated. Out of the box the contrast is set high, but using DVE I was able to achieve a decent gray scale. Reducing contrast by half was a good start.

Colours look good and are pretty accurate to my eye.

The screen has a motion adaptive deinterlacer, but it seems to be better suited to NTSC. Using the Q50 set to NTSC out, and showing the NTSC version of "Video Essentials", there was little difference between the progressive and interlaced outputs. Using PAL out and DVE there was a noticeable improvement in PQ through progressive. This improvement is most noticeable with interlaced video originated material, whereas film originated material looked OK. The deinterlacer tends to "stair step" moving edges, unlike the Q50's DCDi which is much smoother.

This difference was even more obvious when viewing the outputs of the LG HDSTB. Progressive component (576P) is significantly better than interlaced component. In fact, S'video seemed to exhibit less stair stepping than interlaced component, (but that might just be because it's a bit softer).

The best connection option is VGA out of the LG, although component isn't far behind. Progressive component out of the Q50 looks excellent. 576P and 1080i look similar, but there may be a slight advantage in matching output to the transmission format. I tend to leave it on 1080i.

Dynamic false contouring is noticeable on this screen but it is generally only distracting on moving video images of interlaced origin, especially low quality or up-converted material. For example it's quite noticeable on "The Bill" when there are fast pans across faces, I also notice it on the amateur Tsunami footage.

With high quality sources false contouring is a minor issue. It's virtually non existent on film originated programs like "CSI", and the only time I saw it on Nine's HD demo (running in Adel this morning) was on a moving CU of the giraffe and in the far right of the screen as the train pulls out of the station. (Note: I haven't tested other plasmas, so I have a limited frame of reference - but it looks OK to me)

Colour temperature is unknown, it's high but OK to my eye. The newer Sampo screens have a "hidden" menu that allows easy setting of colour temp without having to access the service menu, but I haven't found anyone yet who can tell me how to get into it. If I do I'll post.

Finally:

In short the PQ on this screen is pretty good, but I wouldn't recommend it for interlaced PAL sources. Use an HD box and P'scan DVD and you'll be happy. Properly set up with a good source I think you'd be surprised at the PQ.

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Now that I've had the Teac long enough to run up some hours I thought its about time I posted a proper review.

The equipment I used to test the screen was an LG HDSTB and a Philips Q50 DVD player.  I tried all the outputs on both devices, and tried both PAL and NTSC output on the Q50 using PAL "Digital Video Essentials" and NTSC "Video Essentials".

Build Quality:

I think the screen is made in Taiwan by Sampo, and it uses an LG Panel, (an LGE PDP42V52330 made in 12/03 to be precise).  The general build quality looks OK, and it comes with a sturdy stand.  Perhaps an LG owner can tell me what screen it's derived from.

The screen is quite, apart from a slight buzzing sound as someone previously mentioned.  I cannot hear it at all, unless I listen closely behind the screen.

Inputs:

The screen has a good range of inputs, including 2 HD capable component inputs, VGA, (with a VGA loop through) and DVI.  Unfortunately the DVI will not handle HD signals, so its only of use as a computer input.  All the RCAs are easy to access and look to be decent gold plated connectors.

Picture Quality:

Black level is OK and contrast is fine IMO.  The spec is 2000:1, but I doubt it is that high once the screen is calibrated.  Out of the box the contrast is set high, but using DVE I was able to achieve a decent gray scale.  Reducing contrast by half was a good start.

Colours look good and are pretty accurate to my eye.

The screen has a motion adaptive deinterlacer, but it seems to be better suited to NTSC.  Using the Q50 set to NTSC out, and showing the NTSC version of "Video Essentials", there was little difference between the progressive and interlaced outputs.  Using PAL out and DVE there was a noticeable improvement in PQ through progressive.  This improvement is most noticeable with interlaced video originated material, whereas film originated material looked OK.  The deinterlacer tends to "stair step" moving edges, unlike the Q50's DCDi which is much smoother.

This difference was even more obvious when viewing the outputs of the LG HDSTB.  Progressive component (576P) is significantly better than interlaced component.  In fact, S'video seemed to exhibit less stair stepping than interlaced component, (but that might just be because it's a bit softer).

The best connection option is VGA out of the LG, although component isn't far behind.  Progressive component out of the Q50 looks excellent.  576P and 1080i look similar, but there may be a slight advantage in matching output to the transmission format.  I tend to leave it on 1080i.

Dynamic false contouring is noticeable on this screen but it is generally only distracting on moving video images of interlaced origin, especially low quality or up-converted material.  For example it's quite noticeable on "The Bill" when there are fast pans across faces, I also notice it on the amateur Tsunami footage.

With high quality sources false contouring is a minor issue.  It's virtually non existent on film originated programs like "CSI", and the only time I saw it on Nine's HD demo (running in Adel this morning) was on a moving CU of the giraffe and in the far right of the screen as the train pulls out of the station.  (Note: I haven't tested other plasmas, so I have a limited frame of reference - but it looks OK to me)

Colour temperature is unknown, it's high but OK to my eye.  The newer Sampo screens have a "hidden" menu that allows easy setting of colour temp without having to access the service menu, but I haven't found anyone yet who can tell me how to get into it.  If I do I'll post.

Finally:

In short the PQ on this screen is pretty good, but I wouldn't recommend it for interlaced PAL sources.  Use an HD box and P'scan DVD and you'll be happy.    Properly set up with a good source I think you'd be surprised at the PQ.

ChrisM,

I followed your various reports and I appreciate the time & effort you have made. I am considering this unit so the experiences you share are beneficial.

One comment puzzles me and I wonder if it is in error:-

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... Unfortunately the DVI will not handle HD signals, so its only of use as a computer input...

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Like yourself, I considered the DVI input as for PC use when I read the specs in the user guide.

However, at two retail stores nearby I have seen in the last week the LG HD STB connected by DVI cable to DVI input of two different brand plasmas, one was a Conia (SD res, but the screen identified the input signal as 1080i on the DVI) and the other was the Teac 1060 PLM.

On each panel the image quality was far better than I felt I had a right to expect from an SD panel.

In the case of the Teac, it was adajacent to a Pioneer HD panel (505, if I remember correctly) driven HDMI to HDMI from a Denon dvd player. Yes, there was a difference, such as one would demand for higher spec equipment.

So, I wonder if I can encourage you to try the Teac & LG HD STB by DVI connection?

For myself, I am on the verge of ordering the Teac 1060 PLM and either a Teac DVB 800 or the LG 4100 HD STB, DVI connected, and will use progressive component connection from my Pioneer 667A dvd player.

This model dvd player in progressive component mode can output a 480P signal which the Teac auto-detected. I tested the dvd player today after I did a DVE setup (in-store) of the Teac 1060 and am pleased with the result produced. (I was there for so long the shoppers were asking me questions - thinking I worked there).

There was satisfaction after the DVE setup session with the Teac. It was producing the best digital TV image (IMHO) among a bank of 16 makes/models on the wall - some HD units!

I would suggest you try DVI connection and see what you think.

Regards,

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I stand corrected robokopp! The Teac will accept DVI.

I did try DVI previously, and I managed to get a picture on 576P briefly, but could not get a signal again - on any of the output resolutions. So I grudgingly accepted what the manual said.

After reading your post I tried again, and sure enough the pic came up on 1080i. But, when I changed output to 576P or 720P - no signal, and switching back to 1080i didn't help.

So, I've concluded that the Teac will accept 576P, 720P and 1080i - as long as you don't switch on the run. The image on my set is offset to the left, but both the Teac and the LGSTB have means to correct for this.

Well, you learn something every day!

EDIT: After a bit more experimenting I've found that to get DVI to work you need to turn on the STB and let it fire up, (and select the appropriate output res), before switching on the Teac. It seems that if the DVI signal is interrupted once the Plasma has "seen" it it won't recognise the signal again. The PQ via DVI is the best, so its worth the effort! I used a Jaycar DVI-I 2m cable.

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This will be my first purchase of a plasma screen & after reading all reports it seems like the teac 1060 is a good entry level for me. My question is what type of stb do i buy?, sd,hd & which brand & why? hope you can guys can help me

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Scae, as I've mentioned in previous posts, I recommend an HDSTB via DVI. My LG looks good, but given the reviews of other trusted forum members I'd be confident in suggesting the Teac HD Box.

If you try hard you might be able to get a good deal on the two as a package for cash. The STB seems to be going for about $370 and the plasma about $2700 (10% off) at DJ's etc, (and they also offer interest free at this price). So, you shouldn't have to pay more than $3000 for the two.

Connect the Plasma and STB with a DVI-I cable from Jaycar for $30

Don't forget you'll need a P'scan DVD player - budget about $200 for something like a Pioneer 676.

Teac also have a 5 year warranty until Feb 28.

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Scae, as I've mentioned in previous posts, I recommend an HDSTB via DVI.  My LG looks good, but given the reviews of other trusted forum members I'd be confident in suggesting the Teac HD Box.

If you try hard you might be able to get a good deal on the two as a package for cash.  The STB seems to be going for about $370 and the plasma about $2700 (10% off) at DJ's etc, (and they also offer interest free at this price).  So, you shouldn't have to pay more than $3000 for the two.

Connect the Plasma and STB with a DVI-I cable from Jaycar for $30

Don't forget you'll need a P'scan DVD player - budget about $200 for something like a Pioneer 676.

Teac also have a 5 year warranty until Feb 28.

ChrisM,

I re-inforce your last post. I have been looking high and low for weeks at various options and decided decided today to get the Teac 1060 panel from one of the DJ stores in Brisbane metro region. It is delivered Thursday. I liked their first offer of 10% off during the current sell-out, the 5 year warranty whet my appetite some more but their addition of 2 years interest free, zero deposit was the clincher. A simple form to complete - done in 5 minutes & sent for approval.

Tonight, stopped by the local JB HiFi and got a Teac DVB 800 for the price you mentioned plus good quality DVI & Component cables for a song. Just whacked the DVB 800 into the existing 66cm Teac WS CRT via S-Video for a quick scan and basic set-up & fiddle. This thing is a "plug & play" STB out of the box.

Will set-up the Teac panel & stb combo on Saturday and do some serious relaxing after a DVE calibration.

robo

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Thak's for your replays & help. I am still a bit confused with all of this, most of all the stb. I have looked at the next wave thd5150 & seems to have a lot of features but don't know if it would work with the 1060. If I was to spend more on the stb would I get better results ?, or just wasting $. I don't have a problem spending more on the stb as I see it as a good investment for the basis of a good system. will be interested to see how robokopp goes on the w/end with the 1060 & teac hd stb. Thank's for your input.

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I'm sure the Next Wave would work with the Teac, but the issue is - how well would it work? Theory seems to be a poor predictor of performance with this sort of budget equipment, so most knowledgeable forum members are only confident to recommend combinations they have actually made work themselves, or know have worked for other forum members.

I can comment on the Teac with an LG box, (firmware 06), because I know it works. I'm pretty confident it would work with the Teac box.

The advantage of the Next Wave seems to be its twin tuners. To make use of this you'd have to sacrifice PQ, because you can't utilise PIP with the Teac if you use DVI/RGB. So, how much advantage is PIP if it means sacrificing PQ?

I'm also looking forward to Robo's review.

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Scae, as I've mentioned in previous posts, I recommend an HDSTB via DVI.  My LG looks good, but given the reviews of other trusted forum members I'd be confident in suggesting the Teac HD Box.

If you try hard you might be able to get a good deal on the two as a package for cash.  The STB seems to be going for about $370 and the plasma about $2700 (10% off) at DJ's etc, (and they also offer interest free at this price).  So, you shouldn't have to pay more than $3000 for the two.

Connect the Plasma and STB with a DVI-I cable from Jaycar for $30

Don't forget you'll need a P'scan DVD player - budget about $200 for something like a Pioneer 676.

Teac also have a 5 year warranty until Feb 28.

Chris,

Thanks for your in-depth review. I have had my Teac Plasma now for about 3 weeks and have gone from a really poor PQ to a slightly better PQ - although I still get a lot of clown faces especially on fast moving objects. In terms of PQ on my plasma the following is what I get from different sources:

STB (Toppy 4000) - connected via component to the Teac. I get a full strength meter on all the FTA channels, yet I still get a slightly grainy picture with clown faces - especially noticable on fast moving objects (as you have pointed out). I will try connecting via S-Video to see if I get any improvements in PQ, if not I guess I will be forced to upgrade my new STB (Toppy 4000) to a HD STB and connect via DVI.

DVD (basic LG model) - connected via component to the Teac. Again PQ is not great and I still get clown faces on fast moving objects. I will test the PQ with a well sourced DVD this weekend (eg I Robot) to determine PQ. However, as you have pointed out I may have to upgrade to a progressive DVD player. May be time to get a new DVD anyway as it sometimes refuses to play DVD's that I rent (such as Spiderman) no matter how many different copies I get - I have checked and made sure that the DVD region code is set to Aust (4) and all is correct, but the player refuses to play!

I checked the Teac Plasma at DJ's in Tuggerah yesterday and they had it connected to the Teac SD STB via component and their PQ was so much better than what I had - they had virtually no clown faces even on fast moving objects - they were showing FTA programs! So I am at a bit of a loss as to why I get such a poor PQ.

Anyway, I guess all that there is left for me to do is have a play with the settings on the weekend and if I can't get a better PQ mabe a call to the Teac guys and if that doesn't work, then I guess I am going to have to upgrade my STB and DVD player! Sheesh!!!!!

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Just to add to the PQ discussion:

From my Topfield 5000PVR, via an RGB-Component converter, I too get the clown faces, the fast movement blurriness and the graininess (due, I assume, to downscaling).

However, from my DVD (Zensonic Z300), via component is great. I'm assuming it's due to progressive scan, as it looks like a big improvement over the CRT TV via S-Video (which doesn't carry progressive scan).

Any suggestions on the Toppie setup would be appreciated.

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Just to add to the PQ discussion:

From my Topfield 5000PVR, via an RGB-Component converter, I too get the clown faces, the fast movement blurriness and the graininess (due, I assume, to downscaling).

However, from my DVD (Zensonic Z300), via component is great.  I'm assuming it's due to progressive scan, as it looks like a big improvement over the CRT TV via S-Video (which doesn't carry progressive scan).

Any suggestions on the Toppie setup would be appreciated.

Donald,

I have just hooked up the STB (Toppy 4000) via S-Video to the Teac and there is a fair improvement to PQ - I can now actually watch FTA without getting too distracted by the clown faces. Although the clown faces haven't full disappeared, the FTA channels are now bearable to watch.

I went back in to DJ's in Tuggerah and asked how they had their Teac setup (via the SD Teac STB), and the sales guy told me they had it hooked up via S-Video. I didn't notice any clown faces on their picture and they were broadcasting the tennis today. I had a talk to the sales guy and he suggested giving the Teac guys a call so they can send out a technician to come out and have a look at it.

I will check the DVD tomorrow, but I am assuming that the best PQ is going to be with a progressive DVD player.

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Scae, as I've mentioned in previous posts, I recommend an HDSTB via DVI.  My LG looks good, but given the reviews of other trusted forum members I'd be confident in suggesting the Teac HD Box.

If you try hard you might be able to get a good deal on the two as a package for cash.  The STB seems to be going for about $370 and the plasma about $2700 (10% off) at DJ's etc, (and they also offer interest free at this price).  So, you shouldn't have to pay more than $3000 for the two.

Connect the Plasma and STB with a DVI-I cable from Jaycar for $30

Don't forget you'll need a P'scan DVD player - budget about $200 for something like a Pioneer 676.

Teac also have a 5 year warranty until Feb 28.

ChrisM,

I re-inforce your last post. I have been looking high and low for weeks at various options and decided decided today to get the Teac 1060 panel from one of the DJ stores in Brisbane metro region. It is delivered Thursday. I liked their first offer of 10% off during the current sell-out, the 5 year warranty whet my appetite some more but their addition of 2 years interest free, zero deposit was the clincher. A simple form to complete - done in 5 minutes & sent for approval.

Tonight, stopped by the local JB HiFi and got a Teac DVB 800 for the price you mentioned plus good quality DVI & Component cables for a song. Just whacked the DVB 800 into the existing 66cm Teac WS CRT via S-Video for a quick scan and basic set-up & fiddle. This thing is a "plug & play" STB out of the box.

Will set-up the Teac panel & stb combo on Saturday and do some serious relaxing after a DVE calibration.

robo

Good morning, All

It works, and I am pleased with the results. A couple of minor gripes that I will leave until last.

First, I am more interested in DVD movie playback than TV performance.

DVD Movies:

TEAC 1060 panel taking 480P from Pioneer 667A DVD player

I use a Pioneer 667A player into a Pioneer VSX-812 amplifier (receiver). The player is connected via Component to the display and the Progressive output is sent in Auto mode. "Auto" in this player sends NTSC 480P video, no matter what disc (NTSC or PAL) is being played. Just what I wanted. Now, the TEAC panel takes 480P. What a co-incidence. The player & panel were matched to each other using the Digital Video Essentials disc. The factory settings for the panel were re-calibrated:- Colour was dropped to LOW. TEAC panel is at 7,180 degrees Kelvin on LOW, but this is the closest available setting to 6,500K and close enough for the purpose. Setting the other controls as per the DVE disc delivers a picture that is more than pleasing. The film clips on the DVE disc set a benchmark that other discs (movies) may not meet. I may experiment (in the future) with other player/s delivering RGB in the panel's D-Sub connector, but for now this very good PQ and matching my requirements & expectations.

Digital TV:

TEAC STB DVB 800 to TEAC 1060 SD panel, via DVI & other connections

The TEAC DVB 800 and TEAC 1060 panel are connected by 1.8 metre DVI cable. The PQ is very good over DVI. I have also tried the D-SUB connection (same PQ, perhaps a fraction less?), Component and S-Video connections from the STB into the 1060 panel. The PQ degrades as one would expect with S-Video (I could not live with it but others might). My experience is that this combination requires at least Component connection for a minimum acceptable PQ (my opinion).

STB Audio: I tried the optical and did not like it, not because of an STB flaw, but because of what is transmitted over FTA (for now). Have gone back to regular 2 channel L + R audio (as I have done with other STB) and selected an effects mode on the Pioneer 812 amp that fakes up a better surround sound through my system (to my ears).

Gripes, STB, I am bothered

The audio volume differs on this particular box across channels. Of all the received channels (after first scan), half are noticeably softer. This variance is between broadcasters AND between channels of the SAME broadcaster. I never experienced these level drops with my earlier STBs (Thomson DTI 352 and Thomson DTI 500). This may be a fault ofthe particular box and I have to investigate this. Shout back to me if anyone has "been there, done that". (My first stop today is at the store where I purchased).

Gripes, STB, I can live with this

Sometimes, and only sometimes, when I change channels I get the audio but not vision. Changing away once more and returning brings in vision and audio.

Gripes, FTA test patterns

There are none now, and it has been a l-o-n-g time since ABC TV dropped the colour bars on channel 23. So, how can an interested consumer optimise PQ against a standard reference? I do not know, (short of hiring in a calib service provider) so have to adjust settings (trial & error basis) in order to attempt to get the FTA digital signals looking as life-like/ real as that coming from my existing DVD movie player.

In passing

The STB manual and the Plasma manual are inconsistent. Clearly, the manuals were printed and products have changed / improved through time. But, the manuals have not changed and the typos / grammar / factual errors remain.

Minor example, menu images in the STB book are not the same as displayed on the panel.

More important example, panel manual (Page 25) states Mode 16 for panel is not supported. Yet, panel displays incoming signal from STB as, well, Mode 16.

Crazy example, page 17 of panel manual says, "... this monitor can display up to 720 lines using progressive and 1080 lines using interlace". What the author really meant is that these signals are received but down-converted to 480 lines. And said so in a prior paragraph!

Anyway, must resolve the STBproblem of differing audio levels across the channels.

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I use a Pioneer 667A player into a Pioneer VSX-812 amplifier (receiver).  The player is connected via Component to the display and the Progressive output is sent in Auto mode.  "Auto" in this player sends NTSC 480P video, no matter what disc (NTSC or PAL) is being played.  Just what I wanted.  Now, the TEAC panel takes 480P.

Although the player will output at 480P does it do it at 50 or 60HZ, (this is displayed in the "other" menu)? What is the refresh rate displayed by the screen?

Does the DVD player somehow convert 576 50i to 60P?

BTW, thanks for the review.

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I use a Pioneer 667A player into a Pioneer VSX-812 amplifier (receiver).  The player is connected via Component to the display and the Progressive output is sent in Auto mode.  "Auto" in this player sends NTSC 480P video, no matter what disc (NTSC or PAL) is being played.  Just what I wanted.  Now, the TEAC panel takes 480P.

Although the player will output at 480P does it do it at 50 or 60HZ, (this is displayed in the "other" menu)? What is the refresh rate displayed by the screen?

Does the DVD player somehow convert 576 50i to 60P?

BTW, thanks for the review.

Morning ChrisM,

The Pioneer 667A player has 3 modes; NTSC, PAL and AUTO. The mode is changed using 2 front panel buttons, the POWER/STANDBY button and the >>>>> button.

The player set to:

NTSC mode, the TEAC shows 480P on screen and 60Hz in "Other" menu.

AUTO mode, the TEAC shows 480P on screen and 50Hz in the "Other" menu

PAL mode, The TEAC shows 576i on screen and 50Hz in the "Other" menu

The player manual lists:

NTSC format DVD, player setting NTSC, output NTSC

NTSC format DVD player setting PAL, output MOD.PAL

NTSC format disc, player setting AUTO, output NTSC

PAL format DVD, player setting NTSC, output NTSC

PAL format DVD, player setting PAL, output PAL

PAL format DVD, player setting AUTO, output PAL

So far, have put in only PAL discs. This afternoon I will try an NTSC disc with the player in NTSC mode and compare the same film with the PAL version I have and with the player in PAL mode. I will let you know what the TEAC panel displays (same / better / worse?).

robo

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Hi All,

First of all, the sales guys at all the stores don't know much!

I'm an electronics engineer, and it was interesting to hear the falsities.

eg. in relation to the PLMSDM1060 I was told

It does not accept HD input (it does)

It doesn't have a DVI input (it does)

It has an analog tuner (Not that model)

I watched the LG HD demo at a wow store displaying 7 different 42" panels from a conwa, lg, conia, teac hitachi...for 30 mins and well I can hardly tell any difference between them, even the HD panels. So if I can barley tell side by side, it will make NO difference at home.

Now the good news.

I bought the PLMSDM1060 for $2688 from JB HiFi. (with factory 5 yr warranty)

I also bought a Hot Chip HD Decoder with DVI out (but only using component at present) for $368.

Took about 20mins to setup and my wife and I watched Desperate Housewifes.

All I can say is wow the PQ blew me away, and for those complaining about composite... my goodness its still quite watchable.

The only complaint I have is it doesn't remeber aspect settings for each input.

Thanks to the forum for giving this set a decent thread. :blink:

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Thanks for the info labnet.  If you get a chance, try DVI and let us know how it went.

Well I just had the Teac service technicians over last week, but unfortunately I was interstate so my better half had the pleasure of dealing with him. The technician spent about 45mins looking over the screen and confirmed that I had the best possible connections (Toppy 4000 via component) but could not improve PQ - I get awful clown faces and blurriness on fast moving objects.

The technician suggested I buy a Teac HD STB and connect via DVI - which was one of the assumptions I had that he would do. However, I am still at a loss to how the stores can get a better PQ with just a SD STB than what I have. The technician suggested that after I buy the HD STB if it did not improve PQ then the problem may lie with the screen!

I will be making another call to Teac as I don't believe it is good service to tell me to purchase a HD STB for a SD monitor!!!???

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I am looking at getting the TEAC.

For those of you that have it, does it have any features to prevent and remove Burn-in?

I have read that other brands have features to slowly move the picture around on the screen and can display an all white screen to remove a retained image.

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Gripes, STB, I am bothered

The audio volume differs on this particular box across channels.  Of all the received channels (after first scan), half are noticeably softer.  This variance is between broadcasters AND between channels of the SAME broadcaster. I never experienced these level drops with my earlier STBs (Thomson DTI 352 and Thomson DTI 500).  This may be a fault ofthe particular box and I have to investigate this.  Shout back to me if anyone has "been there, done that".  (My first stop today is at the store where I purchased).

Anyway, must resolve the STBproblem of differing audio levels across the channels.

robokopp

It seems to me audio from Dolby encoded programs are generally softer compared to audio played back using the MPEG setting on my Sony HD STB. Maybe that's some food for thought.

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Well I just had the Teac service technicians over last week, but unfortunately I was interstate so my better half had the pleasure of dealing with him. The technician spent about 45mins looking over the screen and confirmed that I had the best possible connections (Toppy 4000 via component) but could not improve PQ - I get awful clown faces and blurriness on fast moving objects.

Does the teac have a gamma option in the picture settings ?. Try playing with this (you may need to re-adjust other picture settings afterwards) . I have used this option with some success on my non teac plasma.

Rob.

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Well I just had the Teac service technicians over last week, but unfortunately I was interstate so my better half had the pleasure of dealing with him. The technician spent about 45mins looking over the screen and confirmed that I had the best possible connections (Toppy 4000 via component) but could not improve PQ - I get awful clown faces and blurriness on fast moving objects.

Does the teac have a gamma option in the picture settings ?. Try playing with this (you may need to re-adjust other picture settings afterwards) . I have used this option with some success on my non teac plasma.

Rob.

Rob,

Thanks for the tip, but I couldn't find a "gamma" option anywhere on the Teac service manual or on the setup screen on the monitor. Anyway, the Teac guys are coming over again this Friday with a HD STB and a DVI cable to see if it improves PQ. However, that still doesn't resolve the fact that DJ's in their stores run the same Teac monitor I have thru SD STB via either S-Video or Component (I have visited 2 different DJ's stores) and they get a much better (10 fold) FTA picture than what I get?!!!!

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Sydneyboy26,

how is component from DVD?  If it looks OK it's probably the Toppy component output that is the problem.

Chris,

I have my DVD (basic LG series) connected via component cables purchased from Jaycar. The PQ from DVD is no better - I still get the same clown faces on still and fast moving pictures. I viewed "I, Robot" (which is supposedly a very well encoded DVD) about a fortnight ago and you could still clearly see the clown faces on Will Smith's face.

I went into DJ's Castle Hill today and they have the teac set up via a DGTEC (Sony) HD STB via composite of all things and they were running the Nine HD loop. The picture was a little pixelated as you would expect, however, when I had the assistant flick over to FTA the PQ they got was marginally better than what I currently have. This leads me to believe that the problem I have is related to the screen.

Anyway, I will find out tomorrow as the Teac techinicians are coming over again and they are bringing a HD STB and DVI cable to see what difference this makes if any?

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Ill just add my 2 cents since ive had a bit of pain and i havnt seen anyone else mention the issue I had.

I bought a Teac 1060 a week or so ago had a few hiccups but to make a long story short it had one problem that i could not live with. Basically 2 different units i played with had bad image retention issues. Something as simple as leaving the default Pioneer hot pink logo on black on the screen for 3-4 minutes would be visible for 15-20 minutes once i started the movie again. I happened to do this the first time watching Underworld and as its a dark movie the pioneer logo was very visible for almost 20 minutes.

I did some more tests and just bringing up the control menu for the plasma for 1-2 minutes made the box area of the screen where the menu appeared be lighter than the surrounding areas for 5 plus minutes after the menu was exited.

Over all for the rest the picture quality was acceptible I wouldnt say great after having played with other units today and setting up the other plasma i have now.

I ended up getting a Hitachi 42PMA300A - for just under $3500. [yes quite a bit more change than the teac] - price included stand/speakers 1 year waranty.

[additional waranty out to 5 years would cost another $500]

Now that I have the Hitachi home and setup I have noticed that its blacks and range of colours and tones on screen are noticable better to me than Teac 1060. Im very happy I spent the extra now having had the Teac for comparison. The primary reason i returned the teac was the image retention - which drove me batty, however im very happy with the better picture on the hitachi.

I am a little surprised noone else has notice this retention and mentioned it here.

I have talked to someone else with a Teac 1060 and they said they had noticed it but it wasnt anything near a fraction as severe as what i had experienced. The teac Unit I had an April 2004 build date so possibly older ones exhibit this more as the person I contacted had a much more recent build date on his unit.

If you can see the unit running before purchase you can easilly confirm the retention behaviour in store by just popping the service menu for 2 minutes then going back to no signal to see the box then trying to play some video. NOTE: bright and very busy video isnt going to display the retention as its generally a brightening of the area the static image was in.

Hope this might help somene and not just muddy the water.

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robbrissy,

thanks for the input. I haven't noticed excessive image retention, but the Teac does have the contrast set way too high out of the box. I think if you wind the contrast down by at least 50%, and run the screen in for a few hundred hours, the image retention is less of a problem. My screen has a Nov 04 build date, but the LG screen it uses is much older, so it's likely they're all the same.

I think all plasmas suffer from image retention problems when they are new and at "out of the box" settings. I think this was an issue with the NEC as well.

The Teac is not the best screen around by any stretch. It requires pretty careful set-up/inputs to look good, so it's not for everyone.

Sydneyboy26, any joy with Teac yet?

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Hi ChrisM,

I had both contrast and brightness way down as i had read this thread before I bought the unit. In addition they were to hot out of the box anyway = eye searingly once setup at home that they desperately needed it wound back.

I even wound back the brightness in the optoins for the control menu however it didnt seem to make a lot of difference.

The unit I had for several days turned out to be a demo unit from floor display [it wasnt supposed to be but something fishy went on]. It had pretty serious immage retnetion of text from a dvd option menu on the screen [some starwars one]. It also had very prominent marks above and below the normal widescreen dvd movie area. After the 5 or so days i had it with assorted video and fiddling the burn in text was still legible but very obviously fading with more normal video being fed to the display. However what i guess to be the effects of burn in on upper and lower [well technically the center was burnt in not the upper/lower] portions of screen didnt seem to change much and was still very noticelable in video that used that part of the screen as a change in brightness there if the video wasnt busy or wasnt bright it self.

I actually went and played with another Teac unit in a store and on selecting a video input with no video source it was quite obvious it had visible image retention issues to.

The unit i have now ive done a bunch of similar tests and not one has show any after image at all. I am not game to trying any static images for more than 10minutes or so since I really dont want to find out i can make this hitachi one have an after image :blink: hehe its a new toy..

Robin

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Hi Chris,

I had the Teac technician over of Friday morning and he basically avoided answering my question of why other monitors that I have seen connected up in the stores with a SD STB had a better PQ than mine. The technician kept reiterating that in his opion and experience all the 1060's were the same and he had seen no difference in PQ with any of them in the past. The technician brought over the Teac DVB800 STB (HD) and connected via DVI, the PQ was considerably better (as expected) and I was basically left with the option of upgrading to a HD STB to get better PQ.

I did notice that even with the HD STB there was still some clown faces on fast moving pictures - the technician was showing me FTA Nine HD (not the HD loop) which was showing a boxing scene from an upcoming movie. The technician told me that the reason for the clown faces with fast moving pictures was to do with the refresh rate on the monitor (I thought refresh rates for Teac was similar to other SD monitors???) and the only way to get rid of them was to uprgrade to a HD Monitor.

So I guess in the end I will just end up buying a HD STB and a progressive scan DVD player!

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robbrissy,

thanks for the input.  I haven't noticed excessive image retention, but the Teac does have the contrast set way too high out of the box.  I think if you wind the contrast down by at least 50%, and run the screen in for a few hundred hours, the image retention is less of a problem.  My screen has a Nov 04 build date, but the LG screen it uses is much older, so it's likely they're all the same.

I think all plasmas suffer from image retention problems when they are new and at "out of the box" settings.  I think this was an issue with the NEC as well.

The Teac is not the best screen around by any stretch.  It requires pretty careful set-up/inputs to look good, so it's not for everyone.

Sydneyboy26, any joy with Teac yet?

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Im after one of these TEAC SD panels.

I have a Progressive Scan DVD player and will get a HD STB.

Can anyone who has purchased the TEAC 106cm SD panel in the last 2-3 weeks please post price and store location?

Thanks

Michael

Michael,

I saw them in David Jones Sydney last week for $2700 (which included a 10% discount sale they were having) with a 5yr warranty.

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Im after one of these TEAC SD panels.

I have a Progressive Scan DVD player and will get a HD STB.

Can anyone who has purchased the TEAC 106cm SD panel in the last 2-3 weeks please post price and store location?

Thanks

Michael

Michael,

I saw them in David Jones Sydney last week for $2700 (which included a 10% discount sale they were having) with a 5yr warranty.

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I went to David Jones but they said the sale ended on sunday and they would not repeat the price unless someone else matched it. Which is pretty stupid why would i bother going back to them if ive got the same price where im standing. No one else seems to be able to match it. I want the teac hi def box as well and i will go to 3100 for the both, but im not going to pay more than 3000 for the panel when i know it has been sold for this price before.

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I went to David Jones but they said the sale ended on sunday and they would not repeat the price unless someone else matched it. Which is pretty stupid why would i bother going back to them if ive got the same price where im standing. No one else seems to be able to match it. I want the teac hi def box as well and i will go to 3100 for the both, but im not going to pay more than 3000 for the panel when i know it has been sold for this price before.

Fergo,

retravision also has the Teac in their latest catalogue for $2999. I am sure you could bargain them down if you tell them you also want the STB.

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If your in Melbourne.. round the Heidelberg Area.. i can get them close to cost..

From JB Hi Fi..

I can find out an exact price if you want

MotoMan what exactly is COST price for the above mentioned TEAC.. would be eager to know what retail make on these....

not sure..

id have to ask... but they are no longer selling them at my local JB now.. so not muach chance of that unless they get them again

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