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Ian have you seen the Nec in action ?

I'll answer that question in a few hours, Angelo! For now, all I can say is: It's [just] arrived, it's black, and it's in one piece!

Come Ian thats plenty enough time playing tells us what you think

Hey Glen,

Nice unit - but what a sh!t of a day! I'll keep this to setup problems and do a full setup review tomorrow.

First I snapped one of my prized 20-yr-old 50+kg slabs of black italian marble that it was supposed to sit on - while trying to move it on my own in a rush to get set up! (Could have bought the TEAC DVI and a V880N with what it will cost to replace). Grrrrrrrrrrrrr .... Weeeeeeeeeeeep!!!!!!!!!

After bawling for a while, I started to work out how to use all the inputs to best effect with my 8 sources! Of course, after an hour or so planning the best swap from current setup [YUV and/or or S-vid via the receiver] ... the right combo of cables and terminators weren't on hand!! Ran down the road to Ideal Elec for a few bits - but no stock! Will head to Jaycar in the morning.

I can see why most people just use composite video, because it is like planning a trip to Mars to get the cabling options right with so many sources and inputs! After tomorrow, I will have a stack of spare medium-quality cables that are no longer useful - that were bought for the old TV and the same HT/sources!

Anyway, planned setup to panel is:

* RGBHV (Footy), RGBS (Toppy), YUV (DVD), S-Video (X-Box, S-VHS and VHS via receiver), and shared VGA (HTPC and Laptop).

* Coax and toslink digital plus analogue audio via HT. No sound to panel.

Decided to just look at Footy, Toppy and DVD briefly by swapping YUV cables on the single YUV input. Will connect up audio and adjust PQ with THX Optimiser and ABC test pattern when correct cables are on hand tomorrow.

So I finally turned on the unit and tried the Footy. Jeeeez, are they blind in the factory? Way too much brightness and contrast out of the box. No wonder people don't buy plasmas, if the manufacturers and retailers think that is how it should look at switch-on!!

Minor quirks:

* the Toppy does still look like sh!t via YUV!

* the connection panel on the right side is too visible - particularly with sturdy interconnects and the huge number of inputs. Would prefer a media box with a single cable to the panel.

* the supplied power cable was a US-type. Lucky the stand also included an Oz one!

* haven't yet worked out how to set PQ separately for each input. Any hints?

Good things: Will report tomorrow,

Verdict: No regrets yet (other than not being better prepared).

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Ian have you seen the Nec in action ?

I'll answer that question in a few hours, Angelo! For now, all I can say is: It's [just] arrived, it's black, and it's in one piece!

Come Ian thats plenty enough time playing tells us what you think

Hey Glen,

Nice unit - but what a sh!t of a day! I'll keep this to setup problems and do a full setup review tomorrow.

First I snapped one of my prized 20-yr-old 50+kg slabs of black italian marble that it was supposed to sit on - while trying to move it on my own in a rush to get set up! (Could have bought the TEAC DVI and a V880N with what it will cost to replace). Grrrrrrrrrrrrr .... Weeeeeeeeeeeep!!!!!!!!!

After bawling for a while, I started to work out how to use all the inputs to best effect with my 8 sources! Of course, after an hour or so planning the best swap from current setup [YUV and/or or S-vid via the receiver] ... the right combo of cables and terminators weren't on hand!! Ran down the road to Ideal Elec for a few bits - but no stock! Will head to Jaycar in the morning.

I can see why most people just use composite video, because it is like planning a trip to Mars to get the cabling options right with so many sources and inputs! After tomorrow, I will have a stack of spare medium-quality cables that are no longer useful - that were bought for the old TV and the same HT/sources!

Anyway, planned setup to panel is:

* RGBHV (Footy), RGBS (Toppy), YUV (DVD), S-Video (X-Box, S-VHS and VHS via receiver), and shared VGA (HTPC and Laptop).

* Coax and toslink digital plus analogue audio via HT. No sound to panel.

Decided to just look at Footy, Toppy and DVD briefly by swapping YUV cables on the single YUV input. Will connect up audio and adjust PQ with THX Optimiser and ABC test pattern when correct cables are on hand tomorrow.

So I finally turned on the unit and tried the Footy. Jeeeez, are they blind in the factory? Way too much brightness and contrast out of the box. No wonder people don't buy plasmas, if the manufacturers and retailers think that is how it should look at switch-on!!

Minor quirks:

* the Toppy does still look like sh!t via YUV!

* the connection panel on the right side is too visible - particularly with sturdy interconnects and the huge number of inputs. Would prefer a media box with a single cable to the panel.

* the supplied power cable was a US-type. Lucky the stand also included an Oz one!

* haven't yet worked out how to set PQ separately for each input. Any hints?

Good things: Will report tomorrow,

Verdict: No regrets yet (other than not being better prepared).

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I Have great faith dude you will get there

Have fun its a blast

Waiting to hear more

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Ian

I just hope your not going to be like me, I still havent stopped changing and swapping cables.

So much so Ive got the plasma connected on the Teac HDSTD via component and dvi because some shows look better on one than the other.

Angelo

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Hi all,

based on the info n experience from experts on this forum.

I changed from wanting an Hitachi 5000TA to a NEC XM3W.

today i went and deposited on NEC PX-42XM3W (42"). i hope that im making the right decision. The panel and desktop stand cost me total $5,500. i didnt want to get the speakers aswell because its only Stereo.

stretched my limit to the max >__________<

i dont know much and dont have much currently.

but the following is what im thinking of getting (from reading on this forum)

So if you could recommend and fix up what i should buy n get would be much appreciated.

Home Theatre System (im looking for the long standing speakers to match the panel rather than small cube/rectangular boxes):

1. Sony DAV-SB300

RRP-$899

Full Specs click here

2. Panasonic SC-HT07

Receiver + 5.1 speaker pack

RRP: $999 

Full Specs click here

So far thats the only 2 i can find. Would you recommend? I dont want top notch quality and expensive system that i cant afford. And also issit possible to sing Kareoke on this? as i would love to have Kareoke setup for my dad to enjoy.

Does that mean i have to hav an Amplifier or something :P

Secondly HD STB:

Teac DV-B800. would you recommend this for XM3W panel?

This is the way Ive gone and its brillant.And most important. i dont have a clue what wiring is best for what.

Something about JB HIFI cables for $70?

can u recommend where to buy, price and what to buy to hook all these up?

DVI is the way to go, just get one which isnt any longer than 2 meters if you can help it.

Thankyou so much in advance

This forum is so helpful, but im in the middle of exams unable to search around further, so sorry for that.

Ryan

Summary:

Have: only NEC XM3W panel

Wants: (a) Sounds sys with kareoke (good value for money)

          (:blink: HD STB

          © what components/wiring needed to connect all these and price and place to purchase those comps/wirings.

Well done one your choice, I must say as much as I liked the Hitachi the NEC is just so much better.

Let us know what you think of it when you get it.

Cheers Angelo

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Quick update after a half-arsed THX Opto of YUV from an LG DVD player that crushes whites, blacks and greys:

AWESOME clarity! Cobbled together an RGBHV(RCAs->BNCs)->VGA from the Footy just in time to see Elle's models on Nine 1080i news!! :P:blink:

Colour is still f*d though [see edit notes below]. Anyone in/near New Farm with DVE and the blue thingy who would like to drop in for a coffee?

PS. Just had my first phosphor burn too! Accidentally left the THX Optimiser on the Contrast test for an hour while I was out. Nice square section in the middle now. Thank god today only has 10 minutes left!!

[Edit Note1: This is my fault for playing with the colour settings while optimising from a crappy LG DVD player - not the NEC's colour handling/quality which so far seems to be excellent].

[Edit Note2: The square 'burn' has gone this morning - phew!]

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Ian

I just hope your not going to be like me, I still havent stopped changing and swapping cables.

So much so Ive got the plasma connected on the Teac HDSTD via component and dvi because some shows look better on one than the other.

Angelo

Hey Angelo and/or Glen,

What 'colour' and 'tint' settings are you using for a good analogue RGB (not DVI) source?

And I agree with you guys: I'm glad I could only [half] afford a 42". I'm sure I couldn't handle 50" from 3m for FTA TV.

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AWESOME clarity! Cobbled together an RGBHV(RCAs->BNCs)->VGA from the Footy just in time to see Elle's models on Nine 1080i news!!  :P  :blink:

That news (I'm assuming Nightline) is upconverted and the stories on it go through analogue conversions during editing. I wouldn't use it to calibrate your colour settings as the analogue links suck out the colour.

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AWESOME clarity! Cobbled together an RGBHV(RCAs->BNCs)->VGA from the Footy just in time to see Elle's models on Nine 1080i news!!  :P  :blink:

That news (I'm assuming Nightline) is upconverted and the stories on it go through analogue conversions during editing. I wouldn't use it to calibrate your colour settings as the analogue links suck out the colour.

Thanks, Champion.

I noticed that too (no visible difference between 9 and 90 - plus a few bad clips edited in with some good ones). I'm waiting for the 90 loop tomorrow afternoon before offering any definitive FTA PQ comments.

Btw, that sci-fi thing - watermarked with the '9 High Definition' logo - that followed the news looked OK, but not great, when I briefly looked at it. Do you know if that is also an up-convert?

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I just hope your not going to be like me, I still havent stopped changing and swapping cables.

So much so Ive got the plasma connected on the Teac HDSTD via component and dvi because some shows look better on one than the other.

Angelo

Hey Angelo and/or Glen,

What 'colour' and 'tint' settings are you using for a good analogue RGB (not DVI) source?

And I agree with you guys: I'm glad I could only [half] afford a 42". I'm sure I couldn't handle 50" from 3m for FTA TV.

Hey Ian

I will look into it tonight when i get home

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Can someone suggest what would be the best connection for this unit to the Toppy?

I get my NEC next week & made my decision partly because of this forum. I am sick of other people telling me however that the Fujitsu & Pioneer are superior. Keep telling me everyone how fantastic this display is. I will add my comments next week.

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Can anyone recommend a first-rate* ~2m XGA->XGA cable? Jaycar maybe?

Ta,

Ian

* You know - well shielded and with decent conductors - so that it won't pick up RF and other interference while snaking through the nest of wires at the back of my rack! Thermionically-aligned linear-platinum argon-free-silver crystals are not required - just very good engineering.

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I am sick of other people telling me however that the Fujitsu & Pioneer are superior.

Who keeps saying this, just this morning I was at Truscotts and they had the Fuji and Pioneer 50 inch in the same room , yes they are nice but not as nice as the Nec.

Angelo

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Ian

I just hope your not going to be like me, I still havent stopped changing and swapping cables.

So much so Ive got the plasma connected on the Teac HDSTD via component and dvi because some shows look better on one than the other.

Angelo

Hey Angelo and/or Glen,

What 'colour' and 'tint' settings are you using for a good analogue RGB (not DVI) source?

And I agree with you guys: I'm glad I could only [half] afford a 42". I'm sure I couldn't handle 50" from 3m for FTA TV.

I,ve noticed and mate I gotta tell you its a real pain, you need to caibrate every setting from xga,s-video,dvi,composite and commponent , as the color varies from each input. I,m still working on all mine, I should be finished by the year 2010 ! :blink:

Angelo

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OH MY GOD!! This NEC 42" panel blows everything else out of the water!! (Sorry Fujitsu - i'm not in love with you any more and want a divorce!)

... and this comes from a partially set up panel being driven by a FOOTY!

Thank you sooooo much Angelo and Glen for your enthusiastic encouragement! I believed in you and my faith has been handsomely rewarded. Hallelujiah!!!

So far have only seen about a third of the NineHD loop (with no sound yet) - but couldn't wait to tell everyone that ....

This panel is a triumph of great electronics and firmware over simple panel glass specs!

Now to go out and find a TEAC DV-B800, a DVI-D cable ... and a cheap alternative to cigarettes so that I can pay for all this. :P:blink:

Sell the car if you have to, this baby's a winner!

Ian

[edits]

Edit1: Message to QTQ9: You do need to get some better equipment for your next contribution to the loop.

Edit2: There is a tiny bit of jitter - but i'm blaming this on the footy or the 25fps source material for the moment. More on this later. There are NO other artifacts whatsoever!

Edit3: The "Puffing Billy" clip is p-e-r-f-e-c-t!! (apart from the jerkiness of 25fps movement).

Edit4: The Melbourne clips are absolutely breathtaking! No macroblocking even in "the duck scene". I have never seen these so faultless before (even my Fusion breaks up here). And the colours are maybe better than the Fuji. Makes the Viera 42" look like an SD panel. [Maybe we should rename the Viera 42 to the "Norwegian Blue"? Beautiful plumage ... but still an ex-parrot!] :P

Edit5: The fan is only audible for 1-2 seconds on turnon. It can be heard at any time if you put your ears within a foot of the top left corner. I closed all doors and windows to the outside world (in a very soundproof apartment) and turned off all audio equipment. Could hear nothing from 1m.

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OH MY GOD!! This NEC 42" panel blows everything else out of the water!! (Sorry Fujitsu - i'm not in love with you any more and want a divorce!)

... and this comes from a partially set up panel being driven by a FOOTY!

Thank you sooooo much Angelo and Glen for your enthusiastic encouragement! I believed in you and my faith has been handsomely rewarded. Hallelujiah!!!

So far have only seen about a third of the NineHD loop (with no sound yet) - but couldn't wait to tell everyone that ....

This panel is a triumph of great electronics and firmware over simple panel glass specs!

Now to go out and find a TEAC DB800, a DVI-D cable ... and a cheap alternative to cigarettes so that I can pay for all this. :P  :blink:

Sell the car if you have to, this baby's a winner!

Ian

PS. Message to QTQ9: You do need to get some better equipment for your next contribution to the loop.

PPS. There is a tiny bit of jitter - but i'm blaming this on the footy or the source material for the moment. More on this later. There are NO other artifacts whatsoever!

I knew you would be happy

No ho wis the Toppy on the NEC

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OH MY GOD!! This NEC 42" panel blows everything else out of the water!! (Sorry Fujitsu - i'm not in love with you any more and want a divorce!)

... and this comes from a partially set up panel being driven by a FOOTY!

Thank you sooooo much Angelo and Glen for your enthusiastic encouragement! I believed in you and my faith has been handsomely rewarded. Hallelujiah!!!

So far have only seen about a third of the NineHD loop (with no sound yet) - but couldn't wait to tell everyone that ....

This panel is a triumph of great electronics and firmware over simple panel glass specs!

Now to go out and find a TEAC DB800, a DVI-D cable ... and a cheap alternative to cigarettes so that I can pay for all this. :P  :blink:

Sell the car if you have to, this baby's a winner!

Ian

PS. Message to QTQ9: You do need to get some better equipment for your next contribution to the loop.

PPS. There is a tiny bit of jitter - but i'm blaming this on the footy or the source material for the moment. More on this later. There are NO other artifacts whatsoever!

I knew you would be happy

Now how is the Toppy on the NEC

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Now how is the Toppy on the NEC

Sorry Glen ... will have to wait for tonight to try it. Rushing out now for some bits'n'pieces to hook everything up properly and reclaim my living room!

PS. Does anyone know what the best price quoted in the forum is for the TEAC DVI box?

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OH MY GOD!! This NEC 42" panel blows everything else out of the water!! (Sorry Fujitsu - i'm not in love with you any more and want a divorce!)

... and this comes from a partially set up panel being driven by a FOOTY!

Thank you sooooo much Angelo and Glen for your enthusiastic encouragement! I believed in you and my faith has been handsomely rewarded. Hallelujiah!!!

So far have only seen about a third of the NineHD loop (with no sound yet) - but couldn't wait to tell everyone that ....

This panel is a triumph of great electronics and firmware over simple panel glass specs!

Now to go out and find a TEAC DB800, a DVI-D cable ... and a cheap alternative to cigarettes so that I can pay for all this. :P  :blink:

Sell the car if you have to, this baby's a winner!

Ian

[edits]

Edit1: Message to QTQ9: You do need to get some better equipment for your next contribution to the loop.

Edit2: There is a tiny bit of jitter - but i'm blaming this on the footy or the 25fps source material for the moment. More on this later. There are NO other artifacts whatsoever!

Edit3: The "Puffing Billy" clip is p-e-r-f-e-c-t!! (apart from the jerkiness of 25fps movement)

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That's good to hear Ian as I am wrapped in mine and can't fault it. The only setting I changed was the contrast which I set at 32 everthing else is on default. I use component input from NEC HD box, DVD player and S input from Satellite box. The one thing I have noticed with the digital broadcasting are the different picture formats a real bummer.

Big AL

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Now how is the Toppy on the NEC

Sorry Glen ... will have to wait for tonight to try it. Rushing out now for some bits'n'pieces to hook everything up properly and reclaim my living room!

PS. Does anyone know what the best price quoted in the forum is for the TEAC DVI box?

$590

Angelo

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Now how is the Toppy on the NEC

Sorry Glen ... will have to wait for tonight to try it. Rushing out now for some bits'n'pieces to hook everything up properly and reclaim my living room!

PS. Does anyone know what the best price quoted in the forum is for the TEAC DVI box?

No probs Ian Thanks

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$590

Angelo

Thanks Angelo. Then I'm heading out for one right now! If the Toshi HD box can make an SD (852x480) Hitachi PMA300 look pretty good next to an HD Fujitsu driven by a newer DGtec 2000A - in my opinion* - then I'm not waiting any longer to see what the TEAC can do for this NEC panel. :blink:

* As described in my reviews in this post about a week ago.

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Thanks, Champion.

I noticed that too (no visible difference between 9 and 90 - plus a few bad clips edited in with some good ones). I'm waiting for the 90 loop tomorrow afternoon before offering any definitive FTA PQ comments.

Btw, that sci-fi thing - watermarked with the '9 High Definition' logo - that followed the news looked OK, but not great, when I briefly looked at it. Do you know if that is also an up-convert?

I find Nine HD upconverts look better for me if the source material is good. Nightline is crap source material.

The show after it, Enterprise is native HD. Not the best HD I've seen though :blink:

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$590

Angelo

Thanks again for that price, Angelo! You saved me a few hours trying to search the forum for clues. :P

But you will be pleased to know that I used the time you saved me to good advantage - and picked up a DV-B800 from JB in Adelaide St (ironic, eh?!), Brisbane for $549! They were the only place I went to - and I made it clear that if the price was right, I was walking out with it! They were then so nice to me that I also took* a Pioneer DV-676A DVD/SACD/DVD-A/DivX/etc/etc off their hands for $210!! All up cost was less than I was expecting you to tell me for the DV-B800 alone! They agreed to match these prices for anyone else reading this who might be interested in Bris - ask for Luke (he has 3 DV-B800's left).

Unfortunately, I couldn't find a taxi, so Jaycar will have to wait until tomorrow for me to pick up a DVI cable - and the BNC connectors for Toppy RGBS. :blink:

One very happy little black duck,

Ian

PS. Can you believe that they had a pile of Panasonic HD 104's on 'special' - marked down to 'only' $668! Sheeeesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PPS. For Toppy fans: the Teac front panel is quite similar in design to the Toppy 5000 - though better quality. Hardly a recommendation for Teac aesthetics - but in my case it is an advantage!!

* I don't have - or intend to buy - any SACDs or DVD-As until I upgrade my audio setup. But I needed an inexpensive CD/DVD/etc player that DIDN'T crush blacks and DIDN'T have a switch on the back to change video outputs! Good riddance to the LG is all I can say!

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Can anyone recommend a first-rate* ~2m XGA->XGA cable? Jaycar maybe?

Ta,

Ian

* You know - well shielded and with decent conductors - so that it won't pick up RF and other interference while snaking through the nest of wires at the back of my rack! Thermionically-aligned linear-platinum argon-free-silver crystals are not required - just very good engineering.

dse - excellent cable only $20 bucks but yes meets all your asking for bar the Thermionically-aligned linear-platinum argon-free-silver crystals!!!

sounds like your pretty thrilled with the NEC - get ready to be simply blown away with a dvi box like the teac - ps I got my dvi cable from jaycar

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dse - excellent cable only $20 bucks but yes meets all your asking for bar the Thermionically-aligned linear-platinum argon-free-silver crystals!!!

sounds like your pretty thrilled with the NEC - get ready to be simply blown away with a dvi box like the teac - ps I got my dvi cable from jaycar

Hey Al,

Is the Jaycar one as good as dickies? (I hate giving dickie money when most of his stuff is just rebadged cheap stuff with the price tripled).

Btw, I never thought that I would ever buy a plasma - even if I had won lotto! - but your comments on the Hitachi got me started and I would actually have one by now if I could have pushed the price below $6k. Then Angelo's and Glen's awe of the NEC in comparison with the Fujitsu convinced me to think and prod a little further. Finally, at $5,500 for the panel it was just too good an opportunity to miss! (I needed to give up smoking anyway!).

Cheers,

Ian

PS. For those thinking I was taking a gamble with the NEC? No way ... I have been following Alebonau's, Glenncol's and Angelo's opinions on various sound and video issues for quite a while and trusted all of them to be both critical and objective in their views.

At the end of the day it was my judgement of the validity of their opinions on this one specific decision that allowed me to sleep very soundly while waiting to actually see the NEC for the very first time - in my own home - with my equipment - with my interconnects - with my room lighting - etc. It was an odds-on favourite to be far better than OK - and has already waaaay exceeded that expectation!!

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PS. Does anyone know what the best price quoted in the forum is for the TEAC DVI box?

$590

Angelo

Thanks again for that price, Angelo! You saved me a few hours trying to search the forum for clues. :P

But you will be pleased to know that I used the time you saved me to good advantage - and picked up a DV-B800 from JB in Adelaide St (ironic, eh?!), Brisbane for $549! They were so nice to me, so I also took* a Pioneer DV-676A DVD/SACD/DVD-A/DivX/etc/etc off their hands for $210!! All up cost was less than I was expecting you to tell me for the DV-B800 alone! They agreed to match these prices for anyone else who might be interested in Bris - ask for Luke (he has 3 DV-B800's left).

Unfortunately, I couldn't find a taxi, so Jaycar will have to wait until tomorrow for me to pick up a DVI cable - and the BNC connectors for Toppy RGBS. :blink:

One very happy little black duck,

Ian

PS. Can you believe that they had a pile of Panasonic HD 104's on 'special' - marked down to 'only' $668! Sheeeesh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PPS. For Toppy fans: the Teac front panel is quite similar in design to the Toppy 5000 - though better quality. Hardly a recommendation for Teac aesthetics - but in my case it is an advantage!!

* I don't have - or intend to buy - any SACDs or DVD-As until I upgrade my audio setup. But I needed an inexpensive CD/DVD/etc player that DIDN'T crush blacks and DIDN'T have a switch on the back to change video outputs! Good riddance to the LG is all I can say!

Now thats what I call a fantastic price on the Teac !!!!!

Just remember when your watching via DVI if the PQ is brillant then it looks fantastic, if the PQ is bad THEN it looks REALLY bad.

Good to see that your happy.

Cheers Angelo

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$590

Angelo

Thanks again for that price, Angelo! You saved me a few hours trying to search the forum for clues. :P

But you will be pleased to know that I used the time you saved me to good advantage - and picked up a DV-B800 from JB in Adelaide St (ironic, eh?!), Brisbane for $549! They were so nice to me,

Ahhhh **** i have been betten again in a better price DAMN IT

I have to lift my game back up :blink:

Good deal dude

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Have seen prices in the $5500 range for the NEC 42" HD.  Does this include a stand?

Thanks

Sway

Mine didn't at that price. Geoff at eHome loaned* me one until I worked out how to permanently install the panel - but I have since told him I will be keeping it (probably in the box) just in case the panel ever needs to be moved or sold (fat chance!). The stand added $200.

In my experience, eHome's service and advice is second to none in my 35+ years of high-end gear purchasing - and equal to only one other (in Hong Kong about 20 years ago)!! Not only is Geoff top-notch, but so is everyone else who has answered the phone there over the past few days! Call them on 03 9563 5357 to check 'em out. Be nice to them and they will definitely be nice to you. :blink:

I have no idea where their store is (but I do know the address to send the hounds to), how large/small they are, what other gear they carry, or how long they have been in business. But I had no hesitation in sending them the cash after speaking to Geoff - and they will be getting my full endorsement and much future business for as long as they keep it up.

Ian

* Charged me for it but offered full refund as soon as I was finished with it.

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Have seen prices in the $5500 range for the NEC 42" HD.  Does this include a stand?

Thanks

Sway

I have no idea where their store is, how large/small they are, what other gear they carry, or how long they have been in business. But I had no hesitation in sending them the cash after speaking to Geoff - and they will be getting my full endorsement for as long as they keep it up.

Ian

* Charged me for it but offered to refund as soon as I was finished with it.

I have been to the store twice and can tell you its great looking fit out with a nice range of Plasma's and great taste in speakers after all they carry the Paradigm Studio Reference series :blink:

I had a chance to also chat to thier automation guys and they are fantastic as well this will be my next big project just after Xmas and ehome will be at my home.

The girls on the phone are professional and very plesent .

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Just noticed Trevor Lees has the Pioneer HD 43" for $6000.  Has anyone seen this one side by side with the NEC?

Sway

If you are refering to the commercial model not side by side and i have seen enough plasma's to remember all the bad traits.

Also we have 13 42" and 50" pioneer plasma'a at work and all of them suffer pretty bad solarisation

The only thing and repeat only thing the pioneer beats the NEC on if a 5 year warranty but as for PQ no competition in fact the NEC also kicks the Pioneer domestic in PQ

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