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So groover back to the NEC's. I've been told this latest model doesn't have the best video scalar as opposed to the other. Your thoughts?

Quite the opposite with the other 2 Plasmas Ive had I ran Foxtel(RGB) to a Transcoder then to component connections because S-Video Foxtel was terrible.

On the Nec Ive gone back to Foxtel S- video because the video scaler is that brillant .

I also run a progressive dvd player and the PQ is second to none.

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If there are multiple readers of this thread who are serious about purchasing a new NEC, and want the best price, why not all get together and purchase in bulk from one supplier.

Surely this should yield a better price then everyone purchasing individually.

Just a thought.

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I have ordered one of the 50 inch models but with the talk of the noise from the fan I must admit that I am concerned. I also had a so called expert tell me that the NEC is no where near as good as the Pioneer.

Can someone comment & reassure me that I have made a wise decision to purchase this unit. I was interested in the Sharp 45 inch LCD that is due to be released soon. I hope that it will not blow away the NEC.

Talk it up guys, give me some reassurrance!!!

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I have ordered one of the 50 inch models but with the talk of the noise from the fan I must admit that I am concerned. I also had a so called expert tell me that the NEC is no where near as good as the Pioneer.

Can someone comment & reassure me that I have made a wise decision to purchase this unit. I was interested in the Sharp 45 inch LCD that is due to be released soon. I hope that it will not blow away the NEC.

Talk it up guys, give me some reassurrance!!!

It will be interesting to see just how good the new sharp LCD is. I suspect its pretty much the same as their other LCDs in technology terms. LCD is well in the early days in comparison to PQ with respect to Plasma. I think you've made the right decision.

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I have ordered one of the 50 inch models but with the talk of the noise from the fan I must admit that I am concerned. I also had a so called expert tell me that the NEC is no where near as good as the Pioneer.

Can someone comment & reassure me that I have made a wise decision to purchase this unit. I was interested in the Sharp 45 inch LCD that is due to be released soon. I hope that it will not blow away the NEC.

Talk it up guys, give me some reassurrance!!!

On the noisy fan side of it, mine is alot louder than the showroom model and Ive gotten so used to it I dont hear it anymore.

The Pioneer is a very good model but where on earth are you going to get it for the same price as the NEC.

IMHO the other thing is the Pioneer really is yesterdays hero, it suffers from motion jidders,solarisation,dancing pixels upclose,colour is hard to get right , need to use a media box with it (Ive got seven devices pluged into the Nec and it would be a real pain using a media box) and last but not least the video scaler on the Pioneer isnt real flash.

The Nec suffers none of these.

The Nec is todate the most advanced Plasma on the market. If its still sitting in my lounge room its got one up on everthing else I,ve returned!

Angelo

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I would be interested in a group buy.  Does someone want to do some negotiations with someone reputable and see what price we can get ?

Rob.

Guys i got mine through eHome in Melb and am very impressed with the service and price.

They will ship all over Australia have a chat to Geoff out there and see what you can do

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I would be interested in a group buy.  Does someone want to do some negotiations with someone reputable and see what price we can get ?

Rob.

Guys i got mine through eHome in Melb and am very impressed with the service and price.

They will ship all over Australia have a chat to Geoff out there and see what you can do

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I would be interested in a group buy.  Does someone want to do some negotiations with someone reputable and see what price we can get ?

Rob.

Guys i got mine through eHome in Melb and am very impressed with the service and price.

They will ship all over Australia have a chat to Geoff out there and see what you can do

Oops! my first post was an inauspicious start forme on this forum!!

My question is to ask those in adelaide where I could go to see these units in operation. I went to sound vision studio on greenhill road but theirs was poorly setup and they would not demo dvd for me.

I would like to buy either the 42 or the 50 if I can see one that I am happy with.

The one I saw did not compare well with the fujitsu p50 across the room - jerky motion and grey blacks although colour was great and no noise in image.

I have a room where I will be sitting 3.5 metres back and I have to say I am keen to go with the NEC as I want dvi or hdmi and these units seem to take all resolutions whereas the pannys and others have limited compatability.

All of Groover and Glenncol's glowing reports have me intrigued!!

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I have ordered one of the 50 inch models but with the talk of the noise from the fan I must admit that I am concerned. I also had a so called expert tell me that the NEC is no where near as good as the Pioneer.

Can someone comment & reassure me that I have made a wise decision to purchase this unit. I was interested in the Sharp 45 inch LCD that is due to be released soon. I hope that it will not blow away the NEC.

Talk it up guys, give me some reassurrance!!!

On the noisy fan side of it, mine is alot louder than the showroom model and Ive gotten so used to it I dont hear it anymore.

The Pioneer is a very good model but where on earth are you going to get it for the same price as the NEC.

IMHO the other thing is the Pioneer really is yesterdays hero, it suffers from motion jidders,solarisation,dancing pixels upclose,colour is hard to get right , need to use a media box with it (Ive got seven devices pluged into the Nec and it would be a real pain using a media box) and last but not least the video scaler on the Pioneer isnt real flash.

The Nec suffers none of these.

The Nec is todate the most advanced Plasma on the market. If its still sitting in my lounge room its got one up on everthing else I,ve returned!

Angelo

I agree with you Angelo I think the NEC picture is quality plus as well has having DVI. Regarding the fan noise it is barely noticeable but it is there and I am arranging for someone from NEC to come and check it out. I didn't hear any noise at NEC show room nor at Harvey Normans but then I was concentrating on the picture and not anything else.

Take no notice of so called experts, look for yourself.

Big AL

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The one I saw did not compare well with the fujitsu p50 across the room - jerky motion and grey blacks although colour was great and no noise in image.

See my post here about the pitfalls of in-store demos! (To add to that story ... Just 30 minutes ago I passed two identical Sanyo analogue sets in a wall of about 40 TVs of varying PQs. One looked OK and the other was crap! If they had been two different brands, or two different models, it would be natural to assume that the one with the better PQ was the better unit! NOT!!!!!!!).

See my post here about how I normally audition expensive equipment.

I have a room where I will be sitting 3.5 metres back and I have to say I am keen to go with the NEC as I want dvi or hdmi and these units seem to take all resolutions whereas the pannys and others have limited compatability.

All of Groover and Glenncol's glowing reports have me intrigued!!

... and I hope to be able to add my glowing report tomorrow!

Yep. It's been done! Sent the money to Geoff at E-home in Melbourne about an hour ago - and he tells me to expect a big box at my door (in Brisbane) tomorrow!! THAT's service!!

I won't count any ducklings before they have hatched ... but I am excited!!

Ian

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I have ordered one of the 50 inch models but with the talk of the noise from the fan I must admit that I am concerned. I also had a so called expert tell me that the NEC is no where near as good as the Pioneer.

Can someone comment & reassure me that I have made a wise decision to purchase this unit. I was interested in the Sharp 45 inch LCD that is due to be released soon. I hope that it will not blow away the NEC.

Talk it up guys, give me some reassurrance!!!

I have the 42" and the fan is no more or less noisy then the 50" dude dont worry about it its hardley noticable seriously

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The one I saw did not compare well with the fujitsu p50 across the room - jerky motion and grey blacks although colour was great and no noise in image.

See my post here about the pitfalls of in-store demos! (To add to that story ... Just 30 minutes ago I passed two identical Sanyo analogue sets in a wall of about 40 TVs of varying PQs. One looked OK and the other was crap! If they had been two different brands, or two different models, it would be natural to assume that the one with the better PQ was the better unit! NOT!!!!!!!).

See my post here about how I normally audition expensive equipment.

I have a room where I will be sitting 3.5 metres back and I have to say I am keen to go with the NEC as I want dvi or hdmi and these units seem to take all resolutions whereas the pannys and others have limited compatability.

All of Groover and Glenncol's glowing reports have me intrigued!!

... and I hope to be able to add my glowing report tomorrow!

Yep. It's been done! Sent the money to Geoff at E-home in Melbourne about an hour ago - and he tells me to expect a big box at my door (in Brisbane) tomorrow!! THAT's service!!

I won't count any ducklings before they have hatched ... but I am excited!!

Ian

Good news Ian

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I have ordered one of the 50 inch models but with the talk of the noise from the fan I must admit that I am concerned. I also had a so called expert tell me that the NEC is no where near as good as the Pioneer.

Can someone comment & reassure me that I have made a wise decision to purchase this unit. I was interested in the Sharp 45 inch LCD that is due to be released soon. I hope that it will not blow away the NEC.

Talk it up guys, give me some reassurrance!!!

I have the 42" and the fan is no more or less noisy then the 50" dude dont worry about it its hardley noticable seriously

Thanks for the responses re viewing condition and setups.

My question was aimed at finding a facility in adelaide where I can view either the 42 or the 50 using my material and where I can turn out the lights.

I have been looking for a long time and know the pitfalls of store setups and would welcome suggestions to help me allay my fears.

In my experience nothing comes close to a panny based screen in a darkened room. Glencoll, did you compare them in the dark?

I don't want the best blacks necessarily but dont like glowing grey blacks!

If someone wants to invite me over I will bring the beers!

Dan.

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I have ordered one of the 50 inch models but with the talk of the noise from the fan I must admit that I am concerned. I also had a so called expert tell me that the NEC is no where near as good as the Pioneer.

Can someone comment & reassure me that I have made a wise decision to purchase this unit. I was interested in the Sharp 45 inch LCD that is due to be released soon. I hope that it will not blow away the NEC.

Talk it up guys, give me some reassurrance!!!

I have the 42" and the fan is no more or less noisy then the 50" dude dont worry about it its hardley noticable seriously

Thanks for the responses re viewing condition and setups.

My question was aimed at finding a facility in adelaide where I can view either the 42 or the 50 using my material and where I can turn out the lights.

I have been looking for a long time and know the pitfalls of store setups and would welcome suggestions to help me allay my fears.

In my experience nothing comes close to a panny based screen in a darkened room. Glencoll, did you compare them in the dark?

I don't want the best blacks necessarily but dont like glowing grey blacks!

If someone wants to invite me over I will bring the beers!

Dan.

No not in the dark dude but eHome is set up a crap load nicer than others stores and have the ability to turn off lighting giving a more home like feel this is what won me over.

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won't count any ducklings before they have hatched ... but I am excited!!

Well done Ian enjoy your new toy :P a new Denon 3910 dvd player will be the cream on the cake :blink:

cheers laurie

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Thanks Glencol,

I am sure I will be happy once I too have seen in person one that I can tweak.

I too have a denon dvd2800 and am thinking about upgrading to a 3910 at some stage.

The only nagging doubts that have been raised by the US avs forum posters are regarding greyish blacks (which I too saw but I couldn't play with the set) and image persistance, apparently temporary image retention which dies down after a period.

groover mentioned turning off the deep blacks and reducing contrast; is there a deep black setting or did he mean something else?

Lastly does anybody know how I could sell my as new krix Euphonix/kdxm/c speakers. My wife has won the invisible speakers in the living room argument and now they must go :blink: Is there a place to advertise these?

Dan.

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gee I ask a lot of questions on my first day!

I have to back off on the espresso!!

I really appreciate the input though as I am finally ready to order and this NEC late addition to the shortlist has thrown me into a quandry :blink:

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won't count any ducklings before they have hatched ... but I am excited!!

Well done Ian enjoy your new toy :P a new Denon 3910 dvd player will be the cream on the cake :blink:

cheers laurie

... if only I had a job, Laurie!!!!!

Yeah ... the new screen is going to show up the rest of the gear - but I'll work slowly through it all.

The thing I'm most looking forward to is seeing the Footy via RGBHV instead of s-video (occasionally YUV, but the LG 76cm looks almost as good with analogue FTA!) and seeing the Toppy via Scart-RGB instead of s-video (YUV is unwatchable unless I stuff up the colour balance for everything else!).

Anyway, you'll all have a rest from my tirades for a few days while I play with all the knobs, settings and cabling!!

Cheers,

Ian

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gee I ask a lot of questions on my first day!

I have to back off on the espresso!!

I really appreciate the input though as I am finally ready to order and this NEC late addition to the shortlist has thrown me into a quandry :blink:

Ask as many questions as you like! No-one minds. We all learn from every question and every answer.

Anyway, you still have to post thousands more to catch up with the leaders. :P ... and hundreds more just to catch up with me. :P

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RE: where to see on in operation in Adelaide. I did see the 50 inch at Sound & Vision studio & it was impressive. There is also a 50 inch hooked up via an LG DVI at HN Noarlunga.

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RE: where to see on in operation in Adelaide. I did see the 50 inch at Sound & Vision studio & it was impressive. There is also a 50 inch hooked up via an LG DVI at HN Noarlunga.

Hi Manc01,

The 50 inch at sound and vision looked good but as you know they have no clue in there re setup etc!

The loop was showing judder on the flyovers where the fujitsu was smooth and the blacks looked greyish but i am sure with a tweak it could be better.

I will go for a drive to see the HN Noarlunga setup!

If anyone in adelaide has a good setup I would be keen to get in contact.

Did I mention that I work in the wine industry.......? :blink:

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The one I saw did not compare well with the fujitsu p50 across the room - jerky motion and grey blacks although colour was great and no noise in image.

See my post here about the pitfalls of in-store demos! (To add to that story ... Just 30 minutes ago I passed two identical Sanyo analogue sets in a wall of about 40 TVs of varying PQs. One looked OK and the other was crap! If they had been two different brands, or two different models, it would be natural to assume that the one with the better PQ was the better unit! NOT!!!!!!!).

See my post here about how I normally audition expensive equipment.

I have a room where I will be sitting 3.5 metres back and I have to say I am keen to go with the NEC as I want dvi or hdmi and these units seem to take all resolutions whereas the pannys and others have limited compatability.

All of Groover and Glenncol's glowing reports have me intrigued!!

... and I hope to be able to add my glowing report tomorrow!

Yep. It's been done! Sent the money to Geoff at E-home in Melbourne about an hour ago - and he tells me to expect a big box at my door (in Brisbane) tomorrow!! THAT's service!!

I won't count any ducklings before they have hatched ... but I am excited!!

Ian

ah he's taken the plunge!

happy viewing Ian.

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ah he's taken the plunge!

More of a 'high dive'! But I remain confident ... and apprehensive! :blink: :ph34r:

happy viewing Ian.

Thanks Al.

PS. For anyone considering this panel: The stand is one ugly piece of work! Geoff says it is a major turnoff for many - so he is lending* me one to tide me over until I find a satisfactory mounting alternative. Geoff at eHome is almost too good to be true!

* I'll explain later.

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ah he's taken the plunge!

More of a 'high dive'! But I remain confident ... and apprehensive! :blink: :ph34r:

hehehe

I felt the same when I bought my hitachi. Don't worry you will be quite amazed with the pictures your going to get compared to your 76cm. Blown away and wondering why you didn't take the plunge earlier!

You going to have to run a decent stb with it though!...your not going to run it with the dodgy tech are you?

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You going to have to run a decent stb with it though!...your not going to run it with the dodgy tech are you?

<shiver! ... more apprehension!>

It's at times like these that I recall the little dutch boy with his fingers in the dyke*!! One solves one problem and opens up three more!

However ... since I have seen both the Fuji and the Hitachi looking fantastic on a [newer] dodgy 2000A, I'm hoping that my Footy will be passable via RGBHV?! There's a very good DB15-to-RGBHV(BNC) cable patiently waiting ....

Also, most of my FTA is timeslipped (by up to a week!) via a Toppy - so there will also be a very critical review of the Toppy via well-shielded Scart-to-RGBs coming 'real soon now'. :blink:

Cheers,

Ian

* No snide remarks, anyone.

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You going to have to run a decent stb with it though!...your not going to run it with the dodgy tech are you?

<shiver! ... more apprehension!>

It's at times like these that I recall the little dutch boy with his fingers in the dyke*!! One solves one problem and opens up three more!

Since I have seen both the Fuji and the Hitachi looking gorgeous on a [newer] dodgy 2000A, I'm hoping that my Footy will be passable via RGBHV?! There's a very good DB15-to-RGBHV(BNC) cable patiently waiting ....

Most of my FTA is timeslipped (by up to a week!) via the Toppy - so there will also be a very critical review of a Toppy via well-shielded Scart-to-RGBs coming 'real soon now'. :blink:

Cheers,

Ian

* No snide remarks, anyone.

You going the Toppy dude?

I was thinking of this myself

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You going the Toppy dude?

I was thinking of this myself

Wot! You don't have a Toppy yet? Are you mad?!!

Don't wait any longer (unless you are holding out for the HD Toppy 7000)! The Toppy is not just a PVR ... it's a life-altering experience!

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ah he's taken the plunge!

More of a 'high dive'! But I remain confident ... and apprehensive! :blink: :ph34r:

hehehe

I felt the same when I bought my hitachi. Don't worry you will be quite amazed with the pictures your going to get compared to your 76cm. Blown away and wondering why you didn't take the plunge earlier!

You going to have to run a decent stb with it though!...your not going to run it with the dodgy tech are you?

Hey Ian

When you getting the Toppy

I may consider this for the NEC as well

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Hey Ian

When you getting the Toppy

I may consider this for the NEC as well

Glen,

See above! (I've had one for a few months ... and still recovering from the bruises after kicking myself for not getting one a year or so earlier!). And - as soon as the NEC is running properly - the Toppy is getting about half-a-terrabyte* of extra storage!!!

* See Fossil's posts on external caddies with the Toppy and PCs/laptops.

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Hey Ian

When you getting the Toppy

I may consider this for the NEC as well

Glen,

See above! (I've had one for a few months ... and still recovering from the bruises after kicking myself for not getting one a year or so earlier!).

Mate let me know when you have it hooked up to the NEC i want one BAD

Damn i didnt ask which did you get the 42" or the 50"

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Mate let me know when you have it hooked up to the NEC i want one BAD

You didn't tell me that you were mad when you were recommending the NEC! :blink:

Damn i  didnt ask which did you get the 42" or the 50"

The black 42" (42XM3W, I think!), which was already double my original upgrade budget [gulp].

Which reminds me of some other advice from Geoff that potential purchasers should consider (whether they follow it or not) ... He said the stores (including his) display silver ones for daytime aesthetics in the store, but strongly recommended black for in-home use! I can't remember his exact words ... but they made sense.

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Mate let me know when you have it hooked up to the NEC i want one BAD

You didn't tell me that you were mad when you were recommending the NEC! :blink:

Damn i  didnt ask which did you get the 42" or the 50"

The black 42" (42XM3W, I think!), which was already double my original upgrade budget [gulp].

Which reminds me of some other advice from Geoff that potential purchasers should know about (whether they agree with it or not) ... He said the stores (including his) display silver ones for daytime aesthetics in the store, but strongly recommended black for in-home use!

The main reason i got black looks heaps better than silver

I have been through a few STB's and not happy with any of them due to pixelisation so i would be very happy with a Toppy if the PQ is good.

I have spoken to Channel 9 today who are investigating my problem seems it has been localised to a possible bandwidth problem

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The one I saw did not compare well with the fujitsu p50 across the room - jerky motion and grey blacks although colour was great and no noise in image.

See my post here about the pitfalls of in-store demos! (To add to that story ... Just 30 minutes ago I passed two identical Sanyo analogue sets in a wall of about 40 TVs of varying PQs. One looked OK and the other was crap! If they had been two different brands, or two different models, it would be natural to assume that the one with the better PQ was the better unit! NOT!!!!!!!).

See my post here about how I normally audition expensive equipment.

I have a room where I will be sitting 3.5 metres back and I have to say I am keen to go with the NEC as I want dvi or hdmi and these units seem to take all resolutions whereas the pannys and others have limited compatability.

All of Groover and Glenncol's glowing reports have me intrigued!!

... and I hope to be able to add my glowing report tomorrow!

Yep. It's been done! Sent the money to Geoff at E-home in Melbourne about an hour ago - and he tells me to expect a big box at my door (in Brisbane) tomorrow!! THAT's service!!

I won't count any ducklings before they have hatched ... but I am excited!!

Ian

Hi Ian well done Im sure youll love it. :blink:

Angelo

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The one I saw did not compare well with the fujitsu p50 across the room - jerky motion and grey blacks although colour was great and no noise in image.

See my post here about the pitfalls of in-store demos! (To add to that story ... Just 30 minutes ago I passed two identical Sanyo analogue sets in a wall of about 40 TVs of varying PQs. One looked OK and the other was crap! If they had been two different brands, or two different models, it would be natural to assume that the one with the better PQ was the better unit! NOT!!!!!!!).

See my post here about how I normally audition expensive equipment.

I have a room where I will be sitting 3.5 metres back and I have to say I am keen to go with the NEC as I want dvi or hdmi and these units seem to take all resolutions whereas the pannys and others have limited compatability.

All of Groover and Glenncol's glowing reports have me intrigued!!

... and I hope to be able to add my glowing report tomorrow!

Yep. It's been done! Sent the money to Geoff at E-home in Melbourne about an hour ago - and he tells me to expect a big box at my door (in Brisbane) tomorrow!! THAT's service!!

I won't count any ducklings before they have hatched ... but I am excited!!

Ian

Hi Ian well done Im sure youll love it. :blink:

Angelo

Hey Angelo

By the way i think its that time

Go for the V880N its a pretty damn good unit

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I have been through a few STB's and not happy with any of them due to pixelisation so i would be very happy with a Toppy if the PQ is good.

If I get any pixelisation with the NEC, you will see a very tall ex-second-rower - wearing a deerstalker; following some hounds; cradling a 'Holland & Holland' 12-gauge over-and-under - out looking for an italian friend of yours!

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