sjobeck 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Just saw the 42" silver version of this panel at Clive Peeters in Aspley if anyone in Brisbane is interested. I must say I wasn't overly impressed with how they had it set up. Was running a very jerky and interrupted HDTV feed (windy outside). I've negotiated a good price and am going to go back tomorrow to buy it if my partner is happy with it. Can anyone suggest how to optimally set it up in store? Also, I am a bit worried about buying a plasma panel as I will be using it with my HTPC and PS2 at least some of the time. How careful do you have to be to avoid burn-in. They had a 62" LG HD plasma on show which was severely burnt in with horizontal bars after playing cinematic feed "Gladiator" over and over again. If I play my PS2 for a few hours per week or have the Windows desktop up for an hour or two a day is this likely to be a problem? Thanks in advance sjobeck Link to post Share on other sites
KLoNe1503559836 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 How much you getting that for sjobeck? Maybe we can buy a couple and save mega bucks! Link to post Share on other sites
ijd 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Can anyone suggest how to optimally set it up in store? It's almost a waste of time trying to get some stores to cooperate - while others will bend over backwards to help and learn. At a minimum, it needs to be connected to a standalone HD-STB via DVI. This at least should not require any brightness or contrast adjustments to see a great PQ. Also ask them to use good quality interconnects so that the audition is not unduly influenced by the massive RF interference in a TV showroom (whether you believe in such things or not). Of course, I can recommend the TEAC DV-B800 for flawless DVI, but other forum favourites (Humax, LG, Toshiba) should be fine too. Also, I am a bit worried about buying a plasma panel as I will be using it with my HTPC and PS2 at least some of the time. How careful do you have to be to avoid burn-in. My 42XM3 was very sensitive to burn in (and colour 'blooming') for the first 2 days, but now it's fine. I'd still be hesitant to use a plasma with an HTPC or PS2 for frequent daily use or extended periods - though I plan to have the XBox and HTPC hooked up to mine soon for an occasional hour or two of fixed graphics on-screen per week. An LCD or DLP would be the smartest choice for frequent fixed graphics or static sharp edges (Windows or menus or 4:3) usage. Hope this helps, Ian Link to post Share on other sites
TV4FREE 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 TV4FREE does not have display stock at all <{POST_SNAPBACK}> LOL @ glenncol. We can certainly can install a NEC in your loungeroom for a permanent display. LOL Link to post Share on other sites
Groover ! 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 IanI got a cable with the 50 silver model. Do think if Im running a set of speakers which are not 9w at 6 ohm I may be drawing too much power causing the Plasma,s aux fans to kick in ? Angelo <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think I mentioned that the fan is set to Low and is thermostatically controlled and Medium kicks in at 39 deg. and High at approx 51 deg. Big AL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yep got the black version. Ive turned off the wall feature it has and the fan noise has gone . I guess because its the commercial version it must run all the fans on in that mode. Am I glad for that. This one is a little brighter and the contrast is a bit deeper than the retail one , it does have different circuitry in it, which reminds me Ive read someone buying the retail remote to operate the commercial plasma DONT half the buttons dont work with it. Angelo Angelo Link to post Share on other sites
Big AL 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Yep got the black version. Ive turned off the wall feature it has and the fan noise has gone . I guess because its the commercial version it must run all the fans on in that mode. Am I glad for that. This one is a little brighter and the contrast is a bit deeper than the retail one , it does have different circuitry in it, which reminds me Ive read someone buying the retail remote to operate the commercial plasma DONT half the buttons dont work with it. Angelo Angelo <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Angelo, Where is the wall feature? Big AL Link to post Share on other sites
Groover ! 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Its under option 3 ., video wall and hit menu. Angelo Link to post Share on other sites
Downunder1503559766 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 Sorry if this has Dude I just re-cabled my Toppu last night and bought the same Crest Scart to RGB converter as ijd did then using a pair of Crest Xstream components with a single Xtream composite video cable giving RGBs Mate fan bloody tastic PQ is up 70% over the supplied cables <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ummm... sorry to sound like a moron, but can you spell that one out for me Glenn? I've not heard of the Crest unit, where and how much $$ ? I'm using SVID output at the moment, is that what you were using before? I assume that the new Toppy will use component, or do you think that the Crest rig will work out better? I'm still on my old CRT, so I'm probably not going to spend much on upgrading my current Toppy's interconnect until the 7000 comes out. Where have people seen the NEC unit on demo in Sydney? Cheers, Peter <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The Crest adaptor is a Scart to RGB which gives you your Red Green and Blue connectors on the NEC you run to the Red Green abd blue on the BNC connections but also run a composite from the Toppy to the H BNC connector. Thne change the BNC inptu via the menu to Scart 1 Great picture quality I picked up the Creast adaptor from Retravision in Preston Melb for $20 Check here http://www.crest.com.au/product.php?prodcode=PSA3 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Now for the dumb ?'s The connectors on the Scart Crest adaptor for the Toppy are RGB (RCA) and they connect to the NEC on to the BNC connections (RGBHV)........ so the cables need are RGB (RCA) to BNC ? ..... These just seem hard to find in the suggested cable brands ?? How does the audio get to the NEC ? What is the composite from the Toppy to the H BNC connector for ? Is there a reason why people are using the Crest Adaptor rather than just a single Scart to RGB cable ? Oh the learning curve ! Regards Barry Link to post Share on other sites
Downunder1503559766 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 IanI got a cable with the 50 silver model. Do think if Im running a set of speakers which are not 9w at 6 ohm I may be drawing too much power causing the Plasma,s aux fans to kick in ? Angelo <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think I mentioned that the fan is set to Low and is thermostatically controlled and Medium kicks in at 39 deg. and High at approx 51 deg. Big AL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yep got the black version. Ive turned off the wall feature it has and the fan noise has gone . I guess because its the commercial version it must run all the fans on in that mode. Am I glad for that. This one is a little brighter and the contrast is a bit deeper than the retail one , it does have different circuitry in it, which reminds me Ive read someone buying the retail remote to operate the commercial plasma DONT half the buttons dont work with it. Angelo Angelo <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Angelo, Why did you swap from the silver to the black in the 50 ? Interesting to hear the PQ is better, when I spoke to NEC they said there were only a couple of minor diff's like video wall etc. that were oriented to commercial uses ! .... obviously PQ is one !!!! Have you discovered any other benefits in either model as "she Indoors" has a preference for the silver, but I would prefer PQ ? Did you get the speakers ? I think it was Ian (ijd) who was looking to get the silver remote ! Regards Barry Link to post Share on other sites
glenncol 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Author Share Posted October 29, 2004 IanI got a cable with the 50 silver model. Do think if Im running a set of speakers which are not 9w at 6 ohm I may be drawing too much power causing the Plasma,s aux fans to kick in ? Angelo <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think I mentioned that the fan is set to Low and is thermostatically controlled and Medium kicks in at 39 deg. and High at approx 51 deg. Big AL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yep got the black version. Ive turned off the wall feature it has and the fan noise has gone . I guess because its the commercial version it must run all the fans on in that mode. Am I glad for that. This one is a little brighter and the contrast is a bit deeper than the retail one , it does have different circuitry in it, which reminds me Ive read someone buying the retail remote to operate the commercial plasma DONT half the buttons dont work with it. Angelo Angelo <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Angelo, Why did you swap from the silver to the black in the 50 ? Interesting to hear the PQ is better, when I spoke to NEC they said there were only a couple of minor diff's like video wall etc. that were oriented to commercial uses ! .... obviously PQ is one !!!! Have you discovered any other benefits in either model as "she Indoors" has a preference for the silver, but I would prefer PQ ? Did you get the speakers ? I think it was Ian (ijd) who was looking to get the silver remote ! Regards Barry <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I also got the silver and swaped for the black I wanted the black intitially but the as they idid not have black in stock i got the silver but changed the front face to black. I can not see any difference on the 42" from the black to the silver in PQ only a few menu differences and the remote was different Link to post Share on other sites
Groover ! 0 Posted October 29, 2004 Share Posted October 29, 2004 IanI got a cable with the 50 silver model. Do think if Im running a set of speakers which are not 9w at 6 ohm I may be drawing too much power causing the Plasma,s aux fans to kick in ? Angelo <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think I mentioned that the fan is set to Low and is thermostatically controlled and Medium kicks in at 39 deg. and High at approx 51 deg. Big AL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yep got the black version. Ive turned off the wall feature it has and the fan noise has gone . I guess because its the commercial version it must run all the fans on in that mode. Am I glad for that. This one is a little brighter and the contrast is a bit deeper than the retail one , it does have different circuitry in it, which reminds me Ive read someone buying the retail remote to operate the commercial plasma DONT half the buttons dont work with it. Angelo Angelo <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Angelo, Why did you swap from the silver to the black in the 50 ? I liked the look of the black one better Interesting to hear the PQ is better, when I spoke to NEC they said there were only a couple of minor diff's like video wall etc. that were oriented to commercial uses ! .... obviously PQ is one = The balck version has different circuitry in it compared to the silver one!!!! Have you discovered any other benefits in either model as "she Indoors" has a preference for the silver, but I would prefer PQ ? Did you get the speakers ? N0 I think it was Ian (ijd) who was looking to get the silver remote ! Regards Barry <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Over all if you read the NEC brochures they keep bringing up the black model as their flagship, and yes the black one has definetly got a brighter and better pq. Angelo Link to post Share on other sites
mozmo 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Also, I am a bit worried about buying a plasma panel as I will be using it with my HTPC and PS2 at least some of the time. How careful do you have to be to avoid burn-in. These new panels do have a half life of 60,000 double that of LG you saw, but becarefull in the first 500-1000 hours of use, the phospors being fresh and new will decay a very rapid amount in the first several hundred hours, so any static images displayed for a long time will burn it in, after that initial run in period, the phosphor decay starts to flatten exponentially over time so you shouldn't worry too much about burning it afterwards. Link to post Share on other sites
ijd 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 <snip> ... which reminds me Ive read someone buying the retail remote to operate the commercial plasma DONT half the buttons dont work with it. Angelo <snip> ... I think it was Ian (ijd) who was looking to get the silver remote ! Barry Yep. It was me who ordered the silver remote to replace the black one. Thanks for the warning, Angelo. I was expecting the bottom button group on the silver remote to provide direct input selection (rather than cycling through the 3 buttons for the 7 inputs using the black remote) . The bottom button group on the black remote is for up-to-25-panel video-wall usage, which is obviously of no use to me at home! I'll get in touch with eHome to see what they can advise on the important function buttons (on-off, menu navigation, zoom, mute, etc) when the 'retail' silver remote is used with a black panel, then let everyone here know the answer. Cheers, Ian Link to post Share on other sites
Moderators betty boop 16,000 Posted October 30, 2004 Moderators Share Posted October 30, 2004 New NEC Plasma's ? in the - uk appears same as models here now in aus but mention of a "stylish new smoky-glass stand or fixed to the wall using a range of brackets" which might be of interest to you guys. http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-bin/shownews.php?id=7076 High Definition plasmas * The highest contrast ratio and brightest screens on the market * Life-span guarantee of 20 years with an average of 8 hours' use per day * Industry-leading seven video, DVD, broadcast and PC inputs for optimum digital viewing quality * Unique CCF™ colour correction technology * DVI digital input compatible with HDCP, HDMI and HDTV signals * Advanced Picture in Picture features on 50XR4 and 61XR3 Designed to make a lifestyle statement in any lounge, the plasma screens come in a smooth silver finish and feature newly developed, award winning , display panels. These maximise light efficiency, offering leading brightness to ensure the best possible viewing experience. In addition, the plasmas can be fine-tuned to maximise the image quickly from different inputs such as DVD, broadcast and gaming. Modifications can be saved ensuring the user can view all content at its optimum quality without resetting the screen each time. To make the most of NEC's advanced technology, the plasmas can be displayed using the stylish new smoky-glass stand or fixed to the wall using a range of brackets. The screens also offer straightforward set-up with the menus and remote designed specifically with the Home Cinema user in mind. All of the new models are available with an integrated tuner as an optional extra. Link to post Share on other sites
glenncol 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Author Share Posted October 30, 2004 New NEC Plasma's ? in the - ukappears same as models here now in aus but mention of a "stylish new smoky-glass stand or fixed to the wall using a range of brackets" which might be of interest to you guys. http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-bin/shownews.php?id=7076 High Definition plasmas * The highest contrast ratio and brightest screens on the market * Life-span guarantee of 20 years with an average of 8 hours' use per day * Industry-leading seven video, DVD, broadcast and PC inputs for optimum digital viewing quality * Unique CCF™ colour correction technology * DVI digital input compatible with HDCP, HDMI and HDTV signals * Advanced Picture in Picture features on 50XR4 and 61XR3 Designed to make a lifestyle statement in any lounge, the plasma screens come in a smooth silver finish and feature newly developed, award winning , display panels. These maximise light efficiency, offering leading brightness to ensure the best possible viewing experience. In addition, the plasmas can be fine-tuned to maximise the image quickly from different inputs such as DVD, broadcast and gaming. Modifications can be saved ensuring the user can view all content at its optimum quality without resetting the screen each time. To make the most of NEC's advanced technology, the plasmas can be displayed using the stylish new smoky-glass stand or fixed to the wall using a range of brackets. The screens also offer straightforward set-up with the menus and remote designed specifically with the Home Cinema user in mind. All of the new models are available with an integrated tuner as an optional extra. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Would love to see the stand Link to post Share on other sites
laurie 1 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Ive turned off the wall feature it has and the fan noise has gone . Angelo From that I assume and can see NEC logic, if it's mounted on a wall bracket it would receive less air circulating at the back as oppose to sitting on a stand! cheers laurie Link to post Share on other sites
Groover ! 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Ive turned off the wall feature it has and the fan noise has gone . Angelo From that I assume and can see NEC logic, if it's mounted on a wall bracket it would receive less air circulating at the back as oppose to sitting on a stand! cheers laurie <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good point Laurie. Angelo Link to post Share on other sites
Groover ! 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 <snip> ... which reminds me Ive read someone buying the retail remote to operate the commercial plasma DONT half the buttons dont work with it. Angelo <snip> ... I think it was Ian (ijd) who was looking to get the silver remote ! Barry Yep. It was me who ordered the silver remote to replace the black one. Thanks for the warning, Angelo. I was expecting the bottom button group on the silver remote to provide direct input selection (rather than cycling through the 3 buttons for the 7 inputs using the black remote) . The bottom button group on the black remote is for up-to-25-panel video-wall usage, which is obviously of no use to me at home! I'll get in touch with eHome to see what they can advise on the important function buttons (on-off, menu navigation, zoom, mute, etc) when the 'retail' silver remote is used with a black panel, then let everyone here know the answer. Cheers, Ian <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I see where your coming from Ian, the only buttons which dont work on the silver remote is the DVD/HD3 and picture memory. I guess with my MX-700 remote I can tell it what to do so I cant complain here. Angelo Link to post Share on other sites
andrewk 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Just noticed Trevor Lees has the Pioneer HD 43" for $6000. Has anyone seen this one side by side with the NEC?The only thing and repeat only thing the pioneer beats the NEC on if a 5 year warranty but as for PQ no competition in fact the NEC also kicks the Pioneer domestic in PQ <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ------------------------------ I have been using the NEC 50" plasma for almost a month now. Re-Glencol's quote above, I contacted NEC directly. Their 3-year conditional warranty on their plasma monitors is: Full warranty on the electronics only. Warranty on the plasma screen is only 1 year ...... repeat: 1 year only. Can anybody dispute this? Othe observations: a) Connection to the Teac HD STB is via a $15.00 DVI cable bought from the North Rocks computer fair. The picture quality is excellect. There is no question that it is better than via component. Moral or the story: you can achieve good picture (no distortion, pixelation...) as long as there are no errors in the digital signals passing through the cable. It is a matter of 1's and 0's and and to pay top $$ for a high end cable is purely a waste of money. I can hear the fan noise even sitting about 4 metres away, and audible only when I mute the audio. If the audio is up to listening level, the fan noise would be swamped out. c) Currently the video connection from my Foxtel digital STB (Pace) is via composite video. I am aware that the PQ will be much better via S-video. Can anybody out there let me have the pin inter-connections between the SCART and S-video terminals. I bought a SCART/S-video from Jaycar, but the pin connections are not compatible. Link to post Share on other sites
glenncol 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Author Share Posted October 30, 2004 Just noticed Trevor Lees has the Pioneer HD 43" for $6000. Has anyone seen this one side by side with the NEC?The only thing and repeat only thing the pioneer beats the NEC on if a 5 year warranty but as for PQ no competition in fact the NEC also kicks the Pioneer domestic in PQ <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ------------------------------ I have been using the NEC 50" plasma for almost a month now. Re-Glencol's quote above, I contacted NEC directly. Their 3-year conditional warranty on their plasma monitors is: Full warranty on the electronics only. Warranty on the plasma screen is only 1 year ...... repeat: 1 year only. Can anybody dispute this? Othe observations: a) Connection to the Teac HD STB is via a $15.00 DVI cable bought from the North Rocks computer fair. The picture quality is excellect. There is no question that it is better than via component. Moral or the story: you can achieve good picture (no distortion, pixelation...) as long as there are no errors in the digital signals passing through the cable. It is a matter of 1's and 0's and and to pay top $$ for a high end cable is purely a waste of money. I can hear the fan noise even sitting about 4 metres away, and audible only when I mute the audio. If the audio is up to listening level, the fan noise would be swamped out. c) Currently the video connection from my Foxtel digital STB (Pace) is via composite video. I am aware that the PQ will be much better via S-video. Can anybody out there let me have the pin inter-connections between the SCART and S-video terminals. I bought a SCART/S-video from Jaycar, but the pin connections are not compatible. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes i know its only 1 year on the panel as stated in other posts Have a chat to Angelo and see what connections he used for the Foxtel box Link to post Share on other sites
glenncol 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Author Share Posted October 30, 2004 <snip> ... which reminds me Ive read someone buying the retail remote to operate the commercial plasma DONT half the buttons dont work with it. Angelo <snip> ... I think it was Ian (ijd) who was looking to get the silver remote ! Barry Yep. It was me who ordered the silver remote to replace the black one. Thanks for the warning, Angelo. I was expecting the bottom button group on the silver remote to provide direct input selection (rather than cycling through the 3 buttons for the 7 inputs using the black remote) . The bottom button group on the black remote is for up-to-25-panel video-wall usage, which is obviously of no use to me at home! I'll get in touch with eHome to see what they can advise on the important function buttons (on-off, menu navigation, zoom, mute, etc) when the 'retail' silver remote is used with a black panel, then let everyone here know the answer. Cheers, Ian <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I see where your coming from Ian, the only buttons which dont work on the silver remote is the DVD/HD3 and picture memory. I guess with my MX-700 remote I can tell it what to do so I cant complain here. Angelo <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I spoke to Geoff about the silver remore working on the black unit and he is going to check it out Link to post Share on other sites
glenncol 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Author Share Posted October 30, 2004 My initial thoughts on the silver remote working on the black panel is that it will not work On the black remote e.g youhave to toggle between component 1 and 2 using the same button i feel that the code being passed to the TV is the same . The Silver remote has a dedicated component 1 and 2 button i would assume with different codes thta the MX3 may not regonise But i could be wrong Link to post Share on other sites
Big AL 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Its under option 3 ., video wall and hit menu.Angelo <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Angelo, I went to Option 3 video wall, I can't see anthing there that will turn off video wall or fan. The only place you can turn off fan is in the service menu. Have you felt the warm air being blown upward from the back cents? Big AL Link to post Share on other sites
ijd 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 (edited) My initial thoughts on the silver remote working on the black panel is that it will not workOn the black remote e.g youhave to toggle between component 1 and 2 using the same button i feel that the code being passed to the TV is the same . The Silver remote has a dedicated component 1 and 2 button i would assume with different codes thta the MX3 may not regonise But i could be wrong Thanks for getting in touch with Geoff for me, Glenn! I'll keep my legs crossed and wait for his answer!?! PS. Oh!! ... and BTW ... I was lucky enough to meet THE Guru of HTPC DTV this morning (a forum member), and the b**** showed me where there are a few flaws in either the NineHD Loop transmission, or the TEAC STB, or (... wash my mouth out! ...) the NEC panel!! We had some fun switching between his PC and my STBs and the panel and his mate's HD projector! The NEC was in no way disgraced - and really kicked with some HD progressive stuff he had downloded off the net (HiRes 720/60p and 1080i/25p)! Oh! ... and the way he has his PC set up, SD is only a gnat's whisker below native HD PQ on the NEC - I'd have to go to a true HD native panel (1920x1080) to see a real difference (though Angelo's 1366x768 50" NEC would be ideal at 720/60p!). Oh! ... and I'd like to thank the other forum member who came over for a squiz at the NEC 42XM ... for his impeccable thought in bringing the Grant Burge 2002 Barossa Shiraz! ... it is helping me type this even as we speak, and will have enough legs to suit my centenary! Edited October 30, 2004 by ijd Link to post Share on other sites
sjobeck 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 My initial thoughts on the silver remote working on the black panel is that it will not workOn the black remote e.g youhave to toggle between component 1 and 2 using the same button i feel that the code being passed to the TV is the same . The Silver remote has a dedicated component 1 and 2 button i would assume with different codes thta the MX3 may not regonise But i could be wrong Thanks for getting in touch with Geoff for me, Glenn! I'll keep my legs crossed and wait for his answer!?! PS. Oh!! ... and BTW ... I was lucky enough to meet THE Guru of HTPC DTV this morning (a forum member), and the b**** showed me where there are a few flaws in either the NineHD Loop transmission, or the TEAC STB, or (... wash my mouth out! ...) the NEC panel!! We had some fun switching between his PC and my STBs and the panel and his mate's HD projector! The NEC was in no way disgraced - and really kicked with some HD progressive stuff he had downloded off the net (HiRes 720/60p and 1080i/25p)! Oh! ... and the way he has his PC set up, SD is only a gnat's whisker below native HD PQ on the NEC - I'd have to go to a true HD native panel (1920x1080) to see a real difference (though Angelo's 1366x768 50" NEC would be ideal at 720/60p!). Oh! ... and I'd like to thank the other forum member who came over for a squiz at the NEC 42XM ... for his impeccable thought in bringing the Grant Burge 2002 Barossa Shiraz! ... it is helping me type this even as we speak, and will have enough legs to suit my centenary! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Glad to see you're enjoying the Shiraz Ian, one of my favourite drops Went back to Clive Peeter's today and hooked up my lappy the display was impeccable. Brings me one step closer to taking the plunge with the NEC. Link to post Share on other sites
ijd 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 My initial thoughts on the silver remote working on the black panel is that it will not workOn the black remote e.g youhave to toggle between component 1 and 2 using the same button i feel that the code being passed to the TV is the same . The Silver remote has a dedicated component 1 and 2 button i would assume with different codes thta the MX3 may not regonise But i could be wrong Thanks for getting in touch with Geoff for me, Glenn! I'll keep my legs crossed and wait for his answer!?! PS. Oh!! ... and BTW ... I was lucky enough to meet THE Guru of HTPC DTV this morning (a forum member), and the b**** showed me where there are a few flaws in either the NineHD Loop transmission, or the TEAC STB, or (... wash my mouth out! ...) the NEC panel!! We had some fun switching between his PC and my STBs and the panel and his mate's HD projector! The NEC was in no way disgraced - and really kicked with some HD progressive stuff he had downloded off the net (HiRes 720/60p and 1080i/25p)! Oh! ... and the way he has his PC set up, SD is only a gnat's whisker below native HD PQ on the NEC - I'd have to go to a true HD native panel (1920x1080) to see a real difference (though Angelo's 1366x768 50" NEC would be ideal at 720/60p!). Oh! ... and I'd like to thank the other forum member who came over for a squiz at the NEC 42XM ... for his impeccable thought in bringing the Grant Burge 2002 Barossa Shiraz! ... it is helping me type this even as we speak, and will have enough legs to suit my centenary! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Glad to see you're enjoying the Shiraz Ian, one of my favourite drops Went back to Clive Peeter's today and hooked up my lappy the display was impeccable. Brings me one step closer to taking the plunge with the NEC. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You won't regret it, Dan ... and follow your partner's equally impeccable PQ taste by going with the XM. Link to post Share on other sites
glenncol 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Author Share Posted October 30, 2004 My initial thoughts on the silver remote working on the black panel is that it will not workOn the black remote e.g youhave to toggle between component 1 and 2 using the same button i feel that the code being passed to the TV is the same . The Silver remote has a dedicated component 1 and 2 button i would assume with different codes thta the MX3 may not regonise But i could be wrong Thanks for getting in touch with Geoff for me, Glenn! I'll keep my legs crossed and wait for his answer!?! PS. Oh!! ... and BTW ... I was lucky enough to meet THE Guru of HTPC DTV this morning (a forum member), and the b**** showed me where there are a few flaws in either the NineHD Loop transmission, or the TEAC STB, or (... wash my mouth out! ...) the NEC panel!! We had some fun switching between his PC and my STBs and the panel and his mate's HD projector! The NEC was in no way disgraced - and really kicked with some HD progressive stuff he had downloded off the net (HiRes 720/60p and 1080i/25p)! Oh! ... and the way he has his PC set up, SD is only a gnat's whisker below native HD PQ on the NEC - I'd have to go to a true HD native panel (1920x1080) to see a real difference (though Angelo's 1366x768 50" NEC would be ideal at 720/60p!). Oh! ... and I'd like to thank the other forum member who came over for a squiz at the NEC 42XM ... for his impeccable thought in bringing the Grant Burge 2002 Barossa Shiraz! ... it is helping me type this even as we speak, and will have enough legs to suit my centenary! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey Ian and Angelo (If interested) Looks like my initial thoughts are correct the XR remote will not work with the XM model as thr XR had dedicated codes for each input and the XM toggles the same code (DAMN DAMN DAMN) Link to post Share on other sites
Groover ! 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Oh! ... and I'd like to thank the other forum member who came over for a squiz at the NEC 42XM ... for his impeccable thought in bringing the Grant Burge 2002 Barossa Shiraz! ... it is helping me type this even as we speak, and will have enough legs to suit my centenary! Hey its good to see someone has come through with a bottle of red ! Unlike myself there was another person on this form promising a bottle of red if he could see a NEC properly set up. He came and saw but no bottle of red. To top it off he is a wine wholesaler ! Angelo Link to post Share on other sites
Groover ! 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Ian and Glen Didnt you guys see my post from before ? The silver remote works with every thing except HD3 AND PICTURE MEMORY all the other buttons are direct inputs. So if you want direct inputs this is the way to go! Angelo Link to post Share on other sites
Groover ! 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Its under option 3 ., video wall and hit menu.Angelo <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Angelo, I went to Option 3 video wall, I can't see anthing there that will turn off video wall or fan. The only place you can turn off fan is in the service menu. Have you felt the warm air being blown upward from the back cents?= Yes but that was before I turned the Video Wall Feature off , now there is just a aux fan working like the silver model I had before. Big AL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You can turn off the video wall, when your in Option 3 and have high lighted Video wall, hit menu and it will bring up another sub menu and there it is. Cheers Angelo Link to post Share on other sites
Spoonfed 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Hey.......... yeah and he didn't even offer us a glass!!!!! hehe nah tis ok not really a wine drinker This is a pretty long thread of DBA. Ian, Glad you enjoyed the HTPC. Glad i could try out DVI for the first time at least i know now that when i upgrade the PJ (probably when the bulb goes... its like "throwaway" haha) i will get a little bit extra vs VGA, though it seems more noticable on the desktop graphics etc than video. Also glad i could demo on somes own gear just how good quality SD DTV 'fixed' with FFDShow can look. Oh also them demos where 1080P and 720P, non of the "dinosaur" "i" HD haha. Been watching the same sections just now on the X1, your plasma is very good, certainly a bit more vibrancy in colours etc, though still surprised how close the X1 is, quite similar to viewing today....... ahhh best $2k ever spent... Once i get the damn XR45 back your welcome to come have a bit of a demo (bring the proacs if ya like) and viewing of da cheapy PJ too. Steve (the guy with the Benq PJ today) recon's once you have a look u'll be out the same day to get one for ya bedroom (he based this on your satisfaction with the PQ of the plasma). Link to post Share on other sites
Groover ! 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 c) Currently the video connection from my Foxtel digital STB (Pace) is via composite video. I am aware that the PQ will be much better via S-video. Can anybody out there let me have the pin inter-connections between the SCART and S-video terminals. I bought a SCART/S-video from Jaycar, but the pin connections are not compatible. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Connect Foxtel Digital Sat just the way Glen and Ian have connected their Toppy. Buy yourself a crest scart to RGB converter about $22, under the Foxtel menu out put RGB through the scart connection , run RGB from the Foxtel to the plasmas RBG BNC and run another cable from Foxtels composite to hd bnc on the plasma to create the sync and you will be amazed how good it looks. Angelo Link to post Share on other sites
Downunder1503559766 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 c) Currently the video connection from my Foxtel digital STB (Pace) is via composite video. I am aware that the PQ will be much better via S-video. Can anybody out there let me have the pin inter-connections between the SCART and S-video terminals. I bought a SCART/S-video from Jaycar, but the pin connections are not compatible. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Connect Foxtel Digital Sat just the way Glen and Ian have connected their Toppy. Buy yourself a crest scart to RGB converter about $22, under the Foxtel menu out put RGB through the scart connection , run RGB from the Foxtel to the plasmas RBG BNC and run another cable from Foxtels composite to hd bnc on the plasma to create the sync and you will be amazed how good it looks. Angelo <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Angelo, Glen or Ian, The connectors on the Scart Crest adaptor are RGB (RCA) and they connect to the NEC on to the BNC connections (RGBHV)........ so the cables need are 3 * RGB (RCA) on one end to 3 *BNC connectors on the other ... is this correct ? These just seem hard to find in the suggested quality cable brands (Crest, Jaycar, Maxcable) ... am I missing something ? Thanks Barry Link to post Share on other sites
glenncol 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Author Share Posted October 30, 2004 c) Currently the video connection from my Foxtel digital STB (Pace) is via composite video. I am aware that the PQ will be much better via S-video. Can anybody out there let me have the pin inter-connections between the SCART and S-video terminals. I bought a SCART/S-video from Jaycar, but the pin connections are not compatible. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Connect Foxtel Digital Sat just the way Glen and Ian have connected their Toppy. Buy yourself a crest scart to RGB converter about $22, under the Foxtel menu out put RGB through the scart connection , run RGB from the Foxtel to the plasmas RBG BNC and run another cable from Foxtels composite to hd bnc on the plasma to create the sync and you will be amazed how good it looks. Angelo <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Angelo, Glen or Ian, The connectors on the Scart Crest adaptor are RGB (RCA) and they connect to the NEC on to the BNC connections (RGBHV)........ so the cables need are 3 * RGB (RCA) on one end to 3 *BNC connectors on the other ... is this correct ? These just seem hard to find in the suggested quality cable brands (Crest, Jaycar, Maxcable) ... am I missing something ? Thanks Barry <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey Barry Take the RGB from the adaptor to the BNC inputs on the plasma using some BNC to RCA converters. The take a composite cable from the Foxtel box to the H bnv input on the plasma. Go in a change the BNC input via the menu to Scart 1 Link to post Share on other sites
glenncol 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Author Share Posted October 30, 2004 Ian and GlenDidnt you guys see my post from before ? The silver remote works with every thing except HD3 AND PICTURE MEMORY all the other buttons are direct inputs. So if you want direct inputs this is the way to go! Angelo <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No sorry didnt see it dude I got it tested for me Link to post Share on other sites
Groover ! 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 c) Currently the video connection from my Foxtel digital STB (Pace) is via composite video. I am aware that the PQ will be much better via S-video. Can anybody out there let me have the pin inter-connections between the SCART and S-video terminals. I bought a SCART/S-video from Jaycar, but the pin connections are not compatible. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Connect Foxtel Digital Sat just the way Glen and Ian have connected their Toppy. Buy yourself a crest scart to RGB converter about $22, under the Foxtel menu out put RGB through the scart connection , run RGB from the Foxtel to the plasmas RBG BNC and run another cable from Foxtels composite to hd bnc on the plasma to create the sync and you will be amazed how good it looks. Angelo <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Angelo, Glen or Ian, The connectors on the Scart Crest adaptor are RGB (RCA)YES and they connect to the NEC on to the BNC connections (RGBHV)YES........ so the cables need are 3 * RGB (RCA) on one end to 3 *BNC..YOU WILL NEED 4 RCA TO BNC ADAPTORS TO GO ONTO THE PLASMA connectors on the other ... is this correct ? These just seem hard to find in the suggested quality cable brands (Crest, Jaycar, Maxcable) ... am I missing something ? Thanks Barry <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Have a look at this link http://www.crest.com.au/product.php?prodcode=PSA3 Also under the plasmas menu change the BNC input via the menu to Scart 1 Angelo Link to post Share on other sites
ijd 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Connect Foxtel Digital Sat just the way Glen and Ian have connected their Toppy.Buy yourself a crest scart to RGB converter about $22, under the Foxtel menu out put RGB through the scart connection , run RGB from the Foxtel to the plasmas RBG BNC and run another cable from Foxtels composite to hd bnc on the plasma to create the sync and you will be amazed how good it looks. Angelo Angelo, Glen or Ian, The connectors on the Scart Crest adaptor are RGB (RCA) and they connect to the NEC on to the BNC connections (RGBHV)........ so the cables need are 3 * RGB (RCA) on one end to 3 *BNC connectors on the other ... is this correct ? These just seem hard to find in the suggested quality cable brands (Crest, Jaycar, Maxcable) ... am I missing something ? Thanks Barry Hi Barry, The only thing you are missing is the RCA-to-BNC adapters for the plasma end. These are about $3 each at Jaycar and you'll need 4 of them, of course. Just to repeat: * 'Crest' metal-case SCART->RGB adapter (much better shielding than a plastic scart adapter, cost = ~$20 at HN). * Any good Component Video Cable (RCAs-to-RCAs, cost = ~$20) * Any good Composite Video Cable (RCA-to-RCA, cost = ~$10) * 4 x RCA(female)-to-BNC(male) adapters (cost = 4x$3 = ~$12) This gives a total cost of ~$60 for a double-shielded RG-59 solution (double-shielded RG-6, I think, with 'Maxcable' and 'Soundlink' brands). Cheers, Ian PS. The ultimate quality video solution would be to make 4 of your own quad-shielded RG-6 interconnects to replace the above store-bought twin-shielded Component Video and Composite Video cables. The total cost would then be slightly lower at ~$56 using Belden cable (if you already have a crimping kit). Link to post Share on other sites
Sway 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 I took the plunge and put a deposit down on a NEC 42XR3W with a stand this week. Unfortunately it won't be delivered till 15 November . I had a lot of trouble finding one to look at and then a reseller took my order and then cancelled it when they realised they were not making enough margin on it! Thanks to the comments in this thread for helping me make my mind up. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> When I got my XM3 this week, (from e-Home, direct from NEC Sydney) it was supposed to be "the last one in the country". Sway Link to post Share on other sites
glenncol 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Author Share Posted October 30, 2004 I took the plunge and put a deposit down on a NEC 42XR3W with a stand this week. Unfortunately it won't be delivered till 15 November . I had a lot of trouble finding one to look at and then a reseller took my order and then cancelled it when they realised they were not making enough margin on it! Thanks to the comments in this thread for helping me make my mind up. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> When I got my XM3 this week, (from e-Home, direct from NEC Sydney) it was supposed to be "the last one in the country". Sway <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sway would be correct about that I spoke to Geoff and he has heaps on back order Link to post Share on other sites
Groover ! 0 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 I took the plunge and put a deposit down on a NEC 42XR3W with a stand this week. Unfortunately it won't be delivered till 15 November . I had a lot of trouble finding one to look at and then a reseller took my order and then cancelled it when they realised they were not making enough margin on it! Thanks to the comments in this thread for helping me make my mind up. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> When I got my XM3 this week, (from e-Home, direct from NEC Sydney) it was supposed to be "the last one in the country". Sway <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I tried to get a black stand for mine and there was none left in the country, according to NEC South Australia THEY CANT KEEP UP WITH THE DEMAND. Oh Ive actually got the black frame plasma and its on a siver stand and bugger me it looks good. Angelo Link to post Share on other sites
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