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... which probably won't take long!  This is the most active thread I've seen in the last 12mths.  Bring it on!

Sway

Not only that ... now I can't get through to eHome on the phone to tell Geoff that my speakers have arrived already - early this afternoon!

Their new receptionist must be going nuts with all the calls! But they do deserve every bit of new business they get - their service and knowledge still blows me away for a street-front specialist retailer! Yeah ... I know ... shut up!

Did you get the speakers dude

What did they set you back

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The bit about "I would never take one of those home.....  I find it hard to believe the Viera could be that bad.

Pal

That was my opinion you dont like stiff .

I have done alot of auditioning of plasmas over the last few months and IMHO i would not take a Viera home due to solarisation , Pixelisation ,not DVI input that fact that the stand is way over priced and the fact that it only carries a 12 month warranty and for less money we have got the best plasma on the market bar none.

People are on here to give and read opinions and that my friend is my opinion i am sorry if it doesn’t match yours but after all it is MINE!!

Do me a hugh favour and audition the NEC and pana and tell me what you would take home and what you wouldn’t .

I assume you own a Viera with your comments.

Not yet...but I am half way between swapping my Philips for a Viera. I did ask megamart if they could get me the NEC, but the model numbers that you quoted me over the weekend didn't show up on their computers. I can still reneg if I wish....Im just gettinf nervous because time is not on my side as far as this swap over deal goes...

Before your time runs out have a look at the NEC you should be able to get a refund from Mega if inside the 30 day period

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Hey Andrew (andczo),

It works!!!

TEAC DV-B800 VGA -> NEC 42XM3 YUV - using either the dedicated YUV RCA's (HD1/DVD1) or the RGBHV BNC's (HD2/DVD2/RGB2).

Just set the TEAC 'output' to 'Component' and the NEC 'BNC input' to 'Component'!

The component colours were brilliant (and over-saturated!) this way - but this was easily adjusted by just reducing the brightness for this input on the NEC.

Now off to Jaycar for an RCA splitter so that I can try my new speakers (at last!).

Hope this helps,

Ian

PS. You might want to tell Ritesh in your own words what this is all about?

PPS. Don't forget to run a composite lead from the TEAC to the NEC (or Hitachi, in your case) so that - by switching the panel to Composite input ('Video2' on the NEC) - you can see the setup options on the TEAC while experimenting.

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Thanx Ian,

Great to hear it all works . . .

Just one question of clarification. When you switched to Component (YPB) on the Teac, I assume you had the d-sub output (15 pin) on the Teac connected to the NEC via the BNC's or into the 15pin D-sub connection?? From what you wrote, I am assuming it was the BNC's, but did you try directly to the RGB or d-sub connection on the NEC. Is that 15 pin d-sub (RGB2?) connection switchable to accept a component signal?? Regardless if it is or isn't thats great ti works on another Plasma . . . . pity its not mine though!

Not too sure what I should be answering to Ritesh. could you please let me know. Thanx.

Andrew

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Thanx Ian,

Great to hear it all works . . .

Just one question of clarification. When you switched to Component (YPB) on the Teac, I assume you had the d-sub output (15 pin) on the Teac connected to the NEC via the BNC's or into the 15pin D-sub connection?? From what you wrote, I am assuming it was the BNC's, but did you try directly to the RGB or d-sub connection on the NEC. Is that 15 pin d-sub (RGB2?) connection switchable to accept a component signal?? Regardless if it is or isn't thats great ti works on another Plasma . . . . pity its not mine though!

Not too sure what I should be answering to Ritesh. could you please let me know. Thanx.

Andrew

Andrew,

The connection was exactly as I wrote* it! :P VGA->BNCs or VGA->YUV

FWIW, the NEC has 7 different video inputs - most of which can be configured to a set range of alternatives:

Video1 = Composite BNC (in or out)

Video2 = Composite RCA

Video3 = S-Video

RGB1 = XGA (ie. VGA) (RGsB or RGBS)

RGB2 = 5 x BNCs (YUV or RGBS or RGBHV - but not RGsB)

RGB3 = DVI-D (SingleLink or DualLink)

DVD1 = RCAs (YUV)

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Audio1 = RCAs (L,R analogue)

Audio2 = "

Audio3 = "

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RS-232 = External control using discrete codes

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Hope this clears it up?

Cheers,

Ian

* Don't worry ... you're not the only one on this forum who has trouble with my English! Most of them therefore choose to read between my lines rather than what is actually on them! :blink:

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Hey Andrew (andczo),

It works!!!

TEAC DV-B800 VGA -> NEC 42XM3 YUV - using either the dedicated YUV RCA's (HD1/DVD1) or the RGBHV BNC's (HD2/DVD2/RGB2).

Just set the TEAC 'output' to 'Component' and the NEC 'BNC input' to 'Component'!

The component colours were brilliant (and over-saturated!) this way - but this was easily adjusted by just reducing the brightness for this input on the NEC.

Now off to Jaycar for an RCA splitter so that I can try my new speakers (at last!).

Hope this helps,

Ian

PS. You might want to tell Ritesh in your own words what this is all about?

PPS. Don't forget to run a composite lead from the TEAC to the NEC (or Hitachi, in your case) so that - by switching the panel to Composite input ('Video2' on the NEC) - you can see the setup options on the TEAC while experimenting.

That's exactly how Hitachi behaves, you could toggle the input...

RGB1 = XGA/VGA (RGsB or RGBS)

On Hitachi you could toggle the XGA/VGA also to Component....

No I am not bringing Hitachi in this thread, the discussion here is how Teac 800 works with NEC, it seems that Teac800 behaves the same on Hitachi and NEC. Thus the matrix in the Teac 800 thread at least is valid for these two displays...(there is another thread going on where it seems that the Fujitsu do not provide the option to toggle the corresponding VGA input to Component.....)

Good to see NEC providing not only host of connections BUT also the ability to toggle them to either variants of RGB or Component, etc.

Ritesh

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i can now 'see' what you guys are all excited about. i was browsing in a local HN, and saw the pioneer 434 alongside the NEC 50XR4W. i would have expected the larger screen to suffer a little detail alongside the smaller pioneer, but the NEC was obviously better.

however, to be fair, both were feeding off a composite input (playing same samsung demo DVD).

but, given the general quality through composite, i can only imagine the supreme PQ via DVI/HDMI!

*still saving $$...but nearly there*

:blink:

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i can now 'see' what you guys are all excited about. i was browsing in a local HN, and saw the pioneer 434 alongside the NEC 50XR4W. i would have expected the larger screen to suffer a little detail alongside the smaller pioneer, but the NEC was obviously better.

however, to be fair, both were feeding off a composite input (playing same samsung demo DVD).

but, given the general quality through composite, i can only imagine the supreme PQ via DVI/HDMI!

*still saving $$...but nearly there*

:blink:

Hey Shiny, see my post in the Pioneer thread. :P

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All,

I have some good news ... and some bad news ... on the "NEC Add-on Speakers as Centre Channel" front!!

[edit]

The end result of this experiment is that I am very happy with the slight improvement for the way I listen to music - but they are terrible if a cinema or studio mix has a lot of centre channel 'voicing' and you have good main speakers. I would not recommend spending any money to duplicate my experiments.

Read on only if you are interested in my music tests.

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[/edit]

First the good news: F***ing hell!!! They rock!!! ['Scuse my Kurdish, but I am still celebrating!] :blink:

Now the bad news: You must have good speaker management functions on your HT receiver (or pre-pro) to be able to achieve this! :P

As you will recall, I was looking for a "form over function" solution to my centre channel speaker placement woes. You'll also know by now that I'm quite anal about sound quality - even during a financial compromise!

The Installation** Story:

Firstly, sorry for the delay in running this test. However, it has taken me all week to get the Adcom connected with a good RCA splitter and some old Monsters - and the speakers connected by cheap 12AWG cable instead of the microfibre that was packed with them. I wouldn't (and didn't) bother even turning on the Adcom until I had connected everything properly.

Secondly, when I cranked it all up this morning, my heart sank! All I could see was a mental picture of hundred dollar notes flying* out the window!

Fortunately, I'm a persistent bugger and I have a great HT receiver - so I started to tinker.

End results:

1. After calibrating speaker balance with pink noise and an SPL meter to DD/THX levels to account for the 100W/ch Onkyo and the 60W/ch Adcom, things were just a fraction better - BUT: no soundstage whatsoever; boominess and 'nasal/megaphone' vocals from all the bumps in the high-bass response; and, worst of all, my beautiful 'clean' system had more bass and it sounded 'fuller' (excuse the descriptive adjectives, Ritesh!); only slightly less annoying was the headache that developed over an hour or so. My friend who has no hifi knowledge thought everything was fine, indeed better! Bummer in spades!!

2. After she left, I decided to fiddle some more and dropped the Centre channel by 12dB (the max adjustment with the Onkyo) and ... BINGO!!! ... soundstage back in spades; no 'nasal' vocals; and, best of all, the bumps in the bass response now filled in the hole between my ProAc's and my KEF sub! Stand back and let the dog see the bunny!!!!

3. Over the next 5 or 6 hours I have been running all my 'reference' audio CD's through at average 87dB SPL (that's f'ing loud for those that don't know - basically front row, live concert, volume!) and not one has failed to show that things have actually improved overall!! I'm talking Amanda McBroom, Jennifer Warnes, 'Jazz at The Pawnshop', 'Cantate Domino', 'The Mission' soundtrack, Eva Cassidy :P , Wagner ... and ... Beyoncé 5.1 music videos! The final setting on the Centre is now -11dB [-12dB loses the bass 'filler'; -10dB starts to collapse the soundstage].

One extremely happy [and lucky!] little black duck [and his landlord!],

Ian

PS. I repeat - do not try this at home unless you have good speaker management functions in your pre-amp/receiver!

[edits]

PPS. I'll start another thread soon with some warnings for all current and potential plasma owners [any brand/size] arising from the last few days tests of the NEC.

PPPS. Tomorrow we'll find out how this arrangement sounds with Hi-Rez audio (DVD-A and SACD). Just have to hook up the multichannel from the Pioneer 676A.

PPPPS. Bummer! Full orchestral music still needs more tuning - too many small peaks in the response now with 3 different speaker types across the front (mains, centre and sub).

- But1: A 'Bolero' [ODP/Barenboim] that I use to test sound stage kept perfect image (and this particular recording has the widest and most pin-point accurate stereo sound stage I have ever heard on any high-end system).

- But2: OK ... have just been through a full Beethoven's Ninth and can see where the problems are: violins too harsh (because of the 'ordinary' NEC tweeters), orchestra out of whack (because of the NEC high-bass peaks and troughs - probably around NEC cabinet resonant frequencies) - BUT, the vocals in 'Ode to Joy' are spot-on (because the ProAc's shine through where the NEC is not interfering)!!!! Sorry! Ignore that rubbish! I now remember I got that particular 9th purely for the tenor in the 'Ode'!

- But3: Mussorgsky's 'Pictures at an Exhibition' [LSO/Abbado] is perfect - even with all the trumpets and violins. [Awesome!!!! The combo just got through 'The Great Gates of Kiev' without breaking up! Even the IRS Gammas used to stumble on this track with their low bass performance].

- But4: Piano is fine with another 'reference' - Rachmaninoff's 2nd Piano Concerto, [RP/Horenstein/Wilde]

- But5: Final comments (I'd better let the neighbours get some sleep!) ... 2Pac and 50-cent have improved too!

PPPPPS. Important Note: I would be reluctant to recommend this approach if you have wider-range mains than my bookshelf-sized studio monitors! I think you would lose bass balance with the inferior centre channel bass of the 'wing' speaker plastic cabinets - though I'd leave the Centre turned down anyway now that I've tried all the different music types with an active Centre.

[/edits]

* Actually, I bought them with a 'no questions asked' refund commitment - I'm not totally brain dead yet.

** My apologies to non-audiophiles for this detailed ramble and mentions of my 'reference' CDs, but even if only a couple of plasma-owning members find it interesting, it was worth my time in typing it. **

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Damn i hooked up the Teac lkast night to the NEC and no pixelisation (DAMN)

but got home tonight and switched ont he TV and could not get a clear picture on channel 9 , 90 10 and12 and lot of screen break up any one else getting this in Melb.

Also notived from time to time turning on and off the Teac also turned on and off the plasma

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Damn i hooked up the Teac lkast night to the NEC and no pixelisation (DAMN)

but got home tonight and switched ont he TV and could not get a clear picture on channel 9 , 90 10 and12 and lot of screen break up any one else getting this in Melb.

Also notived from time to time turning on and off the Teac also turned on and off the plasma

Sounds like a bad box, Glenn?! Neither the TEAC nor its remote has given me any grief.

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First the good news: F***ing hell!!! They rock!!! ['Scuse my Kurdish, but I am still celebrating!]

Now the bad news: You must have good speaker management functions on your HT receiver (or pre-pro) to be able to achieve this!

good stuff. :blink:

just curious, but how are you defining 'good speaker management'? does it include an EQ for example?

at least it has worked out well for you.

:P

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just curious, but how are you defining 'good speaker management'? does it include an EQ for example?

No EQ needed, Shiny, though I wish I still had my old DBX active analyser to see where all the peaks and troughs are.

But you do need the ability to set levels for each speaker separately - down by up to -12dB for the Centre in my case. (All the others are still at 0dB adjustment).

Btw, you also need an HT pre-processor/pre-amp that allows setting audio delay to use the NEC plasma panel as a video monitor. I have had to set a 7 millisecond delay in the audio across all inputs to maintain lip-synch! No doubt because of the extraordinary video processing going on inside the sucker while the audio is already on its way out of the speakers!

Cheers,

Ian

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Damn i hooked up the Teac lkast night to the NEC and no pixelisation (DAMN)

but got home tonight and switched ont he TV and could not get a clear picture on channel 9 , 90 10 and12 and lot of screen break up any one else getting this in Melb.

Also notived from time to time turning on and off the Teac also turned on and off the plasma

Mate it really looks like your not going to win with the Teac. Ive now had the Teac for over amonth and its faultless.

Put this same post in the sub heading (local states) under Melbourne and see if some body else got the break up.

Angelo

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Sorry if this has been asked before (this is a Looooong thread) but, where is the best place in Sydney (i.e. set up properly) to check out the new NEC 42" beside some close competitors? I'm specifically interested to compare it to the Fujitsu and the Hitachi.

Both the Fuji and the Hitachi beat the NEC on vertical resolution but does this make much of a difference with HD TV? I guess that it shoudn't make a difference with DVD since the vertical rez of DVD is lower, but does it?

Also, I'm a bit confused on the input side - I'm planning on pairing my new plasma with the new Topfield 7000 (I've got a SD topfield now - great machine) so what will be the optimal connection method, component or RGB?

Sorry for the newbie questions! :blink:

Cheers,

Peter

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i can now 'see' what you guys are all excited about. i was browsing in a local HN, and saw the pioneer 434 alongside the NEC 50XR4W. i would have expected the larger screen to suffer a little detail alongside the smaller pioneer, but the NEC was obviously better.

however, to be fair, both were feeding off a composite input (playing same samsung demo DVD).

but, given the general quality through composite, i can only imagine the supreme PQ via DVI/HDMI!

*still saving $$...but nearly there*

:P

Gee someone else as seen the light

Angelo :blink:

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Sorry if this has been asked before (this is a Looooong thread) but, where is the best place in Sydney (i.e. set up properly) to check out the new NEC 42" beside some close competitors?  I'm specifically interested to compare it to the Fujitsu and the Hitachi.= Cant help here

Both the Fuji and the Hitachi beat the NEC on vertical resolution but does this make much of a difference with HD TV?= This really means nothing , let your eyes anwser your question  I guess that it shoudn't make a difference with DVD since the vertical rez of DVD is lower, but does it?= NO

Also, I'm a bit confused on the input side - I'm planning on pairing my new plasma with the new Topfield 7000 (I've got a SD topfield now - great machine) so what will be the optimal connection method, component or RGB?

    HDMI to DVI

Sorry for the newbie questions!   :blink:

Cheers,

Peter

Angelo

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Both the Fuji and the Hitachi beat the NEC on vertical resolution but does this make much of a difference with HD TV?  I guess that it shoudn't make a difference with DVD since the vertical rez of DVD is lower, but does it?

This has been my biggest eye-opener of the past few weeks of very serious 'final' auditioning - especially when plasma PQ results are taken together with similar CRT findings:

* The NEC panel uses the same glass as Pioneer, and probably quite a few others, yet arrives at a much better resulting PQ than any current 768- or 1024-line Pioneer or Hitachi or Sony or Panasonic or ... - in MY opinion!); and,

* The Toshiba sw8/9ua CRTs give a better HD PQ in most ways (but not in some others) - with just 850 pixels of 'native' horizontal resolution - than the Sony HRs - with their 1440 pixels of 'native' horizontal resolution on much better Trinitron tubes.

Therefore, it's all in each manufacturer's independent design and quality of the electronics they use to drive the dumb tube or panel or DLP or whatever which they all OEM'd from the same factory.

IMO, specs tell you what it should be capable of, then your eyes must tell you/us what the electronics actually achieve!

Here endeth a sermon ...

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i can now 'see' what you guys are all excited about. i was browsing in a local HN, and saw the pioneer 434 alongside the NEC 50XR4W. i would have expected the larger screen to suffer a little detail alongside the smaller pioneer, but the NEC was obviously better.

however, to be fair, both were feeding off a composite input (playing same samsung demo DVD).

Gee someone else as seen the light

Angelo :P

ah, but doesn't mean i'll buy the NEC. :P

i want to compare both via higher quality inputs. at home, i'll have HD TV via component and DVD via digitial video (denon 3910), so i 'need' to view similar/same setups before coming to a final conclusion. i guess it's possible the pioneer may close the gap significantly through a 'proper' input. don't know. :blink:

and if the pioneer still offers 'high enough' PQ for MY personal tastes, then i would choose this purely on it's 'form' (fit and finish). hee,hee, my definition of 'best' probably differs to many of you.

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i can now 'see' what you guys are all excited about. i was browsing in a local HN, and saw the pioneer 434 alongside the NEC 50XR4W. i would have expected the larger screen to suffer a little detail alongside the smaller pioneer, but the NEC was obviously better.

however, to be fair, both were feeding off a composite input (playing same samsung demo DVD).

Gee someone else as seen the light

Angelo :P

ah, but doesn't mean i'll buy the NEC. :P

i want to compare both via higher quality inputs. at home, i'll have HD TV via component and DVD via digitial video (denon 3910), so i 'need' to view similar/same setups before coming to a final conclusion. i guess it's possible the pioneer may close the gap significantly through a 'proper' input. don't know. :blink:

and if the pioneer still offers 'high enough' PQ for MY personal tastes, then i would choose this purely on it's 'form' (fit and finish). hee,hee, my definition of 'best' probably differs to many of you.

But your going to pay an extra $3000 for a product which doesnt have the same PQ but has a better looking case ?

Hmmm your right your definition of "best" definitely differs to mine.

But hey good luck.

Angelo

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Sorry if this has been asked before (this is a Looooong thread) but, where is the best place in Sydney (i.e. set up properly) to check out the new NEC 42" beside some close competitors?  I'm specifically interested to compare it to the Fujitsu and the Hitachi.

Both the Fuji and the Hitachi beat the NEC on vertical resolution but does this make much of a difference with HD TV?  I guess that it shoudn't make a difference with DVD since the vertical rez of DVD is lower, but does it?

Also, I'm a bit confused on the input side - I'm planning on pairing my new plasma with the new Topfield 7000 (I've got a SD topfield now - great machine) so what will be the optimal connection method, component or RGB?

Sorry for the newbie questions!  :blink:

Cheers,

Peter

Dude I just re-cabled my Toppu last night and bought the same Crest Scart to RGB converter as ijd did then using a pair of Crest Xstream components with a single Xtream composite video cable giving RGBs

Mate fan bloody tastic PQ is up 70% over the supplied cables

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Mate fan bloody tastic PQ is up 70% over the supplied cables

That's great news, Glenn!

... and it confirms all my previous interconnect advice (particularly for the very high frequency required for video interconnects) to all you doubting Thomas's out there. :blink:

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hee,hee, my definition of 'best' probably differs to many of you.

Sure does, Shiny. This thread should carry a warning that it is appropraite only for those who need perfect PQ ... but don't have the room for a 3-tube CRT! :blink:

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Damn i hooked up the Teac lkast night to the NEC and no pixelisation (DAMN)

but got home tonight and switched ont he TV and could not get a clear picture on channel 9 , 90 10 and12 and lot of screen break up any one else getting this in Melb.

Also notived from time to time turning on and off the Teac also turned on and off the plasma

Mate it really looks like your not going to win with the Teac. Ive now had the Teac for over amonth and its faultless.

Put this same post in the sub heading (local states) under Melbourne and see if some body else got the break up.

Angelo

Never had this before Damn i almost thru myself on the ground and stamped my feet like a three year old

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Damn i hooked up the Teac lkast night to the NEC and no pixelisation (DAMN)

but got home tonight and switched ont he TV and could not get a clear picture on channel 9 , 90 10 and12 and lot of screen break up any one else getting this in Melb.

Also notived from time to time turning on and off the Teac also turned on and off the plasma

Mate it really looks like your not going to win with the Teac. Ive now had the Teac for over amonth and its faultless.

Put this same post in the sub heading (local states) under Melbourne and see if some body else got the break up.

Angelo

Never had this before Damn i almost thru myself on the ground and stamped my feet like a three year old

This has got to be something else here glencol as I'm in melbourne with no breakup either. My teacs still purring along pretty hapily there.

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Damn i hooked up the Teac lkast night to the NEC and no pixelisation (DAMN)

but got home tonight and switched ont he TV and could not get a clear picture on channel 9 , 90 10 and12 and lot of screen break up any one else getting this in Melb.

Also notived from time to time turning on and off the Teac also turned on and off the plasma

Mate it really looks like your not going to win with the Teac. Ive now had the Teac for over amonth and its faultless.

Put this same post in the sub heading (local states) under Melbourne and see if some body else got the break up.

Angelo

Never had this before Damn i almost thru myself on the ground and stamped my feet like a three year old

This has got to be something else here glencol as I'm in melbourne with no breakup either. My teacs still purring along pretty hapily there.

Thanks dude

Bloody dodgy box

I can tell you all one thing since changing the cables on the Toppy this thing it pretty damn good and worth the money for a HD plasma

Sorry Angelo if i start you thinking again :blink:

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But your going to pay an extra $3000 for a product which doesnt have the same PQ but has a better looking case ?

Hmmm your right your definition of "best" definitely differs to mine.

But hey good luck.

Angelo

ah, but the caveat is that i will hopefully get an extremely good price on the pioneer through some direct pioneer links *fingers crossed*.

BUT, if indeed the pioneer still ends up being significantly more than the NEC, i will have to think hard and long. things are far from a closed deal, so i have yet to decide.

"more money than sense" does spring to mind but we shall see. and if i actually determine that a 50" screen would suit the room i would definitely go the NEC 50XR4W for its top value. seating position is a smidge over 3m from the wall where the display would be mounted.

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But your going to pay an extra $3000 for a product which doesnt have the same PQ but has a better looking case ?

Hmmm your right your definition of "best" definitely differs to mine.

But hey good luck.

Angelo

ah, but the caveat is that i will hopefully get an extremely good price on the pioneer through some direct pioneer links *fingers crossed*.

BUT, if indeed the pioneer still ends up being significantly more than the NEC, i will have to think hard and long. things are far from a closed deal, so i have yet to decide.

"more money than sense" does spring to mind but we shall see. and if i actually determine that a 50" screen would suit the room i would definitely go the NEC 50XR4W for its top value. seating position is a smidge over 3m from the wall where the display would be mounted.

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Hey Shiny

The 50" will be a tad to big for that distance i was going for the 50" and had a seating distance or 3.2 to 3.6 and was to close for my likeing

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yeah, that's what i was led to believe. i'll still do a comparo in a store to see it for myself though (ie: measure my room again and position myself that distance from the plasma in the store).

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Good idea dude

Nother thing dude Buggar the Pioneer come joint the NEC church :P

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Damn i hooked up the Teac lkast night to the NEC and no pixelisation (DAMN)

but got home tonight and switched ont he TV and could not get a clear picture on channel 9 , 90 10 and12 and lot of screen break up any one else getting this in Melb.

Also notived from time to time turning on and off the Teac also turned on and off the plasma

Mate it really looks like your not going to win with the Teac. Ive now had the Teac for over amonth and its faultless.

Put this same post in the sub heading (local states) under Melbourne and see if some body else got the break up.

Angelo

Never had this before Damn i almost thru myself on the ground and stamped my feet like a three year old

This has got to be something else here glencol as I'm in melbourne with no breakup either. My teacs still purring along pretty hapily there.

Thanks dude

Bloody dodgy box

I can tell you all one thing since changing the cables on the Toppy this thing it pretty damn good and worth the money for a HD plasma

Sorry Angelo if i start you thinking again :blink:

Try and resist the temptation angelo, the hd toppy will eventually land and then you know what will happen with the SD toppy you'd have - it would just have to "go back"

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Damn i hooked up the Teac lkast night to the NEC and no pixelisation (DAMN)

but got home tonight and switched ont he TV and could not get a clear picture on channel 9 , 90 10 and12 and lot of screen break up any one else getting this in Melb.

Also notived from time to time turning on and off the Teac also turned on and off the plasma

Mate it really looks like your not going to win with the Teac. Ive now had the Teac for over amonth and its faultless.

Put this same post in the sub heading (local states) under Melbourne and see if some body else got the break up.

Angelo

Never had this before Damn i almost thru myself on the ground and stamped my feet like a three year old

This has got to be something else here glencol as I'm in melbourne with no breakup either. My teacs still purring along pretty hapily there.

Thanks dude

Bloody dodgy box

I can tell you all one thing since changing the cables on the Toppy this thing it pretty damn good and worth the money for a HD plasma

Sorry Angelo if i start you thinking again :blink:

Try and resist the temptation angelo, the hd toppy will eventually land and then you know what will happen with the SD toppy you'd have - it would just have to "go back"

Bugger sending it back! ... are you insane? ... keep the SD one for timeslipping 4+3 and SBS (and the ABC?) and the new HD one for Nine and Ten's occasional HD gems.

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Damn i hooked up the Teac lkast night to the NEC and no pixelisation (DAMN)

but got home tonight and switched ont he TV and could not get a clear picture on channel 9 , 90 10 and12 and lot of screen break up any one else getting this in Melb.

Also notived from time to time turning on and off the Teac also turned on and off the plasma

Mate it really looks like your not going to win with the Teac. Ive now had the Teac for over amonth and its faultless.

Put this same post in the sub heading (local states) under Melbourne and see if some body else got the break up.

Angelo

Never had this before Damn i almost thru myself on the ground and stamped my feet like a three year old

This has got to be something else here glencol as I'm in melbourne with no breakup either. My teacs still purring along pretty hapily there.

Thanks dude

Bloody dodgy box

I can tell you all one thing since changing the cables on the Toppy this thing it pretty damn good and worth the money for a HD plasma

Sorry Angelo if i start you thinking again :P

Try and resist the temptation angelo, the hd toppy will eventually land and then you know what will happen with the SD toppy you'd have - it would just have to "go back"

Angelo come to the dark side :blink:

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Mate fan bloody tastic PQ is up 70% over the supplied cables

That's great news, Glenn!

... and it confirms all my previous interconnect advice (particularly for the very high frequency required for video interconnects) to all you doubting Thomas's out there. :blink:

Ian

i tried out the IXOS and VDH cables on the Toppy and must say picked up little more in PQ

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i tried out the IXOS and VDH cables on the Toppy and must say picked up little more in PQ

Bummer! I don't need to hear things like that! (psssst ... the Financial Controller can hear what I'm thinking ...... ).

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Dude I just re-cabled my Toppu last night and bought the same Crest Scart to RGB converter as ijd did then using a pair of Crest Xstream components with a single Xtream composite video cable giving RGBs

Mate fan bloody tastic PQ is up 70% over the supplied cables

Ummm... sorry to sound like a moron, but can you spell that one out for me Glenn?

I've not heard of the Crest unit, where and how much $$ ?

I'm using SVID output at the moment, is that what you were using before?

I assume that the new Toppy will use component, or do you think that the Crest rig will work out better? I'm still on my old CRT, so I'm probably not going to spend much on upgrading my current Toppy's interconnect until the 7000 comes out.

Where have people seen the NEC unit on demo in Sydney?

Cheers,

Peter

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Sorry if this has

Dude I just re-cabled my Toppu last night and bought the same Crest Scart to RGB converter as ijd did then using a pair of Crest Xstream components with a single Xtream composite video cable giving RGBs

Mate fan bloody tastic PQ is up 70% over the supplied cables

Ummm... sorry to sound like a moron, but can you spell that one out for me Glenn?

I've not heard of the Crest unit, where and how much $$ ?

I'm using SVID output at the moment, is that what you were using before?

I assume that the new Toppy will use component, or do you think that the Crest rig will work out better? I'm still on my old CRT, so I'm probably not going to spend much on upgrading my current Toppy's interconnect until the 7000 comes out.

Where have people seen the NEC unit on demo in Sydney?

Cheers,

Peter

Ring NEC at Epping and ask for a demo there, they have them all setup.

Big AL

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Just had my NEC HD stb software upgraded and now can use my optic fibre cable to my yamaha RX620 amp. On Ch 9 HD Saturday they showed "The Negotiator" in HD and AC3 sound and WS and the sound was great. However, on Ch10 HD Sunday they showed "The Gladiator" supposedly in HD AC3 sound and the display was letter box (yet the movie is WS) and the sound was stereo, AC3 is suppose to be 5.1ch, what a con.

Big AL

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