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Is there a web brochure with specs and images of the inputs for the NEC-42XM3W?

I couldn't find anything in a google and the NEC Australia web site is basic.

Hi Delbz,

Google harder! I'm sure I found one somewhere and downloaded a PDF of the connection panel (but I can't find it on my drive at the moment). If I find it later I will PM it to you.

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Is there a web brochure with specs and images of the inputs for the NEC-42XM3W?

I couldn't find anything in a google and the NEC Australia web site is basic.

Hi Delbz,

Google harder! I'm sure I found one somewhere and downloaded a PDF of the connection panel (but I can't find it on my drive at the moment). If I find it later I will PM it to you.

Email Michael from QSphere. He sent me out a great brochure on the new NEC Plasma range with all the specs details and pretty pictures. Was very friendly to deal with and so far has given me the lowest price on the 42" unit (now I just need to save for a month)

Michael Rudolph - michael@qsphere.com.au

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Is there a web brochure with specs and images of the inputs for the NEC-42XM3W?

I couldn't find anything in a google and the NEC Australia web site is basic.

Hi Delbz,

Google harder! I'm sure I found one somewhere and downloaded a PDF of the connection panel (but I can't find it on my drive at the moment). If I find it later I will PM it to you.

Found it! It covers the 42VR5, 42XR3, 50XR4 and 61XR3 (the 'XM' models are the same as the XRs but with a matte-black finish and multi-panel functionality). My guess is now that the M denotes Multi-panel (video wall of up to 25 panels) while R denotes Retail (single panel home use).

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If you PM me your email address, I will forward it as an email attachment (356kb). I also found a 'mounting guide' .pdf (321kb) if you are interested.

See the post below.

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PS: Coral, What happened to the attachment facility that I thought I noticed for PMs a few days ago? Or was I imagining things [again]?

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Hi Ian

When hooking up a PC, is there much difference between using the VGA connector and going via DVI?

Thanks

Sway

I haven't hooked my PC up to it yet, so better to wait for an answer from one of the others. My impression from reading other posts about other displays is that XGA (vga connector - but make sure you buy an XGA cable for HD) will be more flexible.

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... which probably won't take long!  This is the most active thread I've seen in the last 12mths.  Bring it on!

Sway

Not only that ... now I can't get through to eHome on the phone to tell Geoff that my speakers have arrived already - early this afternoon!

Their new receptionist must be going nuts with all the calls! But they do deserve every bit of new business they get - their service and knowledge still blows me away for a street-front specialist retailer! Yeah ... I know ... shut up!

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For DVI though having 4 billion colour processing is useless, because the it's digital and limited to 24bit colour, you don't have any sampling problems that would require 10-12bit processing.

Just speculating here, as it's not my field, but it seems to me the fact that a 1920x1080 DVI signal, with 256 levels of grey, needs to be scaled to fit say a 1024x768 panel (or whatever the panel pixel resolution is), may lead to opportunities for solarisation depending upon the number of grey scale processing bits available in the panel, and the scaling algorithms used. I would expect there is less likelihood for solarisation due to the scaling the panel must perform with 12 bits of processing compared to 8.

As I said, I am simply speculating and ready to be corrected by those with expertise in the area. :blink:

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... which probably won't take long!  This is the most active thread I've seen in the last 12mths.  Bring it on!

Sway

Not only that ... now I can't get through to eHome on the phone to tell Geoff that my speakers have arrived already - early this afternoon!

Their new receptionist must be going nuts with all the calls! But they do deserve every bit of new business they get - their service and knowledge still blows me away for a street-front specialist retailer! Yeah ... I know ... shut up!

Did you get the speakers dude

What did they set you back

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The bit about "I would never take one of those home.....  I find it hard to believe the Viera could be that bad.

Pal

That was my opinion you dont like stiff .

I have done alot of auditioning of plasmas over the last few months and IMHO i would not take a Viera home due to solarisation , Pixelisation ,not DVI input that fact that the stand is way over priced and the fact that it only carries a 12 month warranty and for less money we have got the best plasma on the market bar none.

People are on here to give and read opinions and that my friend is my opinion i am sorry if it doesn’t match yours but after all it is MINE!!

Do me a hugh favour and audition the NEC and pana and tell me what you would take home and what you wouldn’t .

I assume you own a Viera with your comments.

Not yet...but I am half way between swapping my Philips for a Viera. I did ask megamart if they could get me the NEC, but the model numbers that you quoted me over the weekend didn't show up on their computers. I can still reneg if I wish....Im just gettinf nervous because time is not on my side as far as this swap over deal goes...

Before your time runs out have a look at the NEC you should be able to get a refund from Mega if inside the 30 day period

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Hey Andrew (andczo),

It works!!!

TEAC DV-B800 VGA -> NEC 42XM3 YUV - using either the dedicated YUV RCA's (HD1/DVD1) or the RGBHV BNC's (HD2/DVD2/RGB2).

Just set the TEAC 'output' to 'Component' and the NEC 'BNC input' to 'Component'!

The component colours were brilliant (and over-saturated!) this way - but this was easily adjusted by just reducing the brightness for this input on the NEC.

Now off to Jaycar for an RCA splitter so that I can try my new speakers (at last!).

Hope this helps,

Ian

PS. You might want to tell Ritesh in your own words what this is all about?

PPS. Don't forget to run a composite lead from the TEAC to the NEC (or Hitachi, in your case) so that - by switching the panel to Composite input ('Video2' on the NEC) - you can see the setup options on the TEAC while experimenting.

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Thanx Ian,

Great to hear it all works . . .

Just one question of clarification. When you switched to Component (YPB) on the Teac, I assume you had the d-sub output (15 pin) on the Teac connected to the NEC via the BNC's or into the 15pin D-sub connection?? From what you wrote, I am assuming it was the BNC's, but did you try directly to the RGB or d-sub connection on the NEC. Is that 15 pin d-sub (RGB2?) connection switchable to accept a component signal?? Regardless if it is or isn't thats great ti works on another Plasma . . . . pity its not mine though!

Not too sure what I should be answering to Ritesh. could you please let me know. Thanx.

Andrew

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Thanx Ian,

Great to hear it all works . . .

Just one question of clarification. When you switched to Component (YPB) on the Teac, I assume you had the d-sub output (15 pin) on the Teac connected to the NEC via the BNC's or into the 15pin D-sub connection?? From what you wrote, I am assuming it was the BNC's, but did you try directly to the RGB or d-sub connection on the NEC. Is that 15 pin d-sub (RGB2?) connection switchable to accept a component signal?? Regardless if it is or isn't thats great ti works on another Plasma . . . . pity its not mine though!

Not too sure what I should be answering to Ritesh. could you please let me know. Thanx.

Andrew

Andrew,

The connection was exactly as I wrote* it! :P VGA->BNCs or VGA->YUV

FWIW, the NEC has 7 different video inputs - most of which can be configured to a set range of alternatives:

Video1 = Composite BNC (in or out)

Video2 = Composite RCA

Video3 = S-Video

RGB1 = XGA (ie. VGA) (RGsB or RGBS)

RGB2 = 5 x BNCs (YUV or RGBS or RGBHV - but not RGsB)

RGB3 = DVI-D (SingleLink or DualLink)

DVD1 = RCAs (YUV)

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Audio1 = RCAs (L,R analogue)

Audio2 = "

Audio3 = "

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RS-232 = External control using discrete codes

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Hope this clears it up?

Cheers,

Ian

* Don't worry ... you're not the only one on this forum who has trouble with my English! Most of them therefore choose to read between my lines rather than what is actually on them! :blink:

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Hey Andrew (andczo),

It works!!!

TEAC DV-B800 VGA -> NEC 42XM3 YUV - using either the dedicated YUV RCA's (HD1/DVD1) or the RGBHV BNC's (HD2/DVD2/RGB2).

Just set the TEAC 'output' to 'Component' and the NEC 'BNC input' to 'Component'!

The component colours were brilliant (and over-saturated!) this way - but this was easily adjusted by just reducing the brightness for this input on the NEC.

Now off to Jaycar for an RCA splitter so that I can try my new speakers (at last!).

Hope this helps,

Ian

PS. You might want to tell Ritesh in your own words what this is all about?

PPS. Don't forget to run a composite lead from the TEAC to the NEC (or Hitachi, in your case) so that - by switching the panel to Composite input ('Video2' on the NEC) - you can see the setup options on the TEAC while experimenting.

That's exactly how Hitachi behaves, you could toggle the input...

RGB1 = XGA/VGA (RGsB or RGBS)

On Hitachi you could toggle the XGA/VGA also to Component....

No I am not bringing Hitachi in this thread, the discussion here is how Teac 800 works with NEC, it seems that Teac800 behaves the same on Hitachi and NEC. Thus the matrix in the Teac 800 thread at least is valid for these two displays...(there is another thread going on where it seems that the Fujitsu do not provide the option to toggle the corresponding VGA input to Component.....)

Good to see NEC providing not only host of connections BUT also the ability to toggle them to either variants of RGB or Component, etc.

Ritesh

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i can now 'see' what you guys are all excited about. i was browsing in a local HN, and saw the pioneer 434 alongside the NEC 50XR4W. i would have expected the larger screen to suffer a little detail alongside the smaller pioneer, but the NEC was obviously better.

however, to be fair, both were feeding off a composite input (playing same samsung demo DVD).

but, given the general quality through composite, i can only imagine the supreme PQ via DVI/HDMI!

*still saving $$...but nearly there*

:blink:

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i can now 'see' what you guys are all excited about. i was browsing in a local HN, and saw the pioneer 434 alongside the NEC 50XR4W. i would have expected the larger screen to suffer a little detail alongside the smaller pioneer, but the NEC was obviously better.

however, to be fair, both were feeding off a composite input (playing same samsung demo DVD).

but, given the general quality through composite, i can only imagine the supreme PQ via DVI/HDMI!

*still saving $$...but nearly there*

:blink:

Hey Shiny, see my post in the Pioneer thread. :P

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All,

I have some good news ... and some bad news ... on the "NEC Add-on Speakers as Centre Channel" front!!

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The end result of this experiment is that I am very happy with the slight improvement for the way I listen to music - but they are terrible if a cinema or studio mix has a lot of centre channel 'voicing' and you have good main speakers. I would not recommend spending any money to duplicate my experiments.

Read on only if you are interested in my music tests.

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First the good news: F***ing hell!!! They rock!!! ['Scuse my Kurdish, but I am still celebrating!] :blink:

Now the bad news: You must have good speaker management functions on your HT receiver (or pre-pro) to be able to achieve this! :P

As you will recall, I was looking for a "form over function" solution to my centre channel speaker placement woes. You'll also know by now that I'm quite anal about sound quality - even during a financial compromise!

The Installation** Story:

Firstly, sorry for the delay in running this test. However, it has taken me all week to get the Adcom connected with a good RCA splitter and some old Monsters - and the speakers connected by cheap 12AWG cable instead of the microfibre that was packed with them. I wouldn't (and didn't) bother even turning on the Adcom until I had connected everything properly.

Secondly, when I cranked it all up this morning, my heart sank! All I could see was a mental picture of hundred dollar notes flying* out the window!

Fortunately, I'm a persistent bugger and I have a great HT receiver - so I started to tinker.

End results:

1. After calibrating speaker balance with pink noise and an SPL meter to DD/THX levels to account for the 100W/ch Onkyo and the 60W/ch Adcom, things were just a fraction better - BUT: no soundstage whatsoever; boominess and 'nasal/megaphone' vocals from all the bumps in the high-bass response; and, worst of all, my beautiful 'clean' system had more bass and it sounded 'fuller' (excuse the descriptive adjectives, Ritesh!); only slightly less annoying was the headache that developed over an hour or so. My friend who has no hifi knowledge thought everything was fine, indeed better! Bummer in spades!!

2. After she left, I decided to fiddle some more and dropped the Centre channel by 12dB (the max adjustment with the Onkyo) and ... BINGO!!! ... soundstage back in spades; no 'nasal' vocals; and, best of all, the bumps in the bass response now filled in the hole between my ProAc's and my KEF sub! Stand back and let the dog see the bunny!!!!

3. Over the next 5 or 6 hours I have been running all my 'reference' audio CD's through at average 87dB SPL (that's f'ing loud for those that don't know - basically front row, live concert, volume!) and not one has failed to show that things have actually improved overall!! I'm talking Amanda McBroom, Jennifer Warnes, 'Jazz at The Pawnshop', 'Cantate Domino', 'The Mission' soundtrack, Eva Cassidy :P , Wagner ... and ... Beyoncé 5.1 music videos! The final setting on the Centre is now -11dB [-12dB loses the bass 'filler'; -10dB starts to collapse the soundstage].

One extremely happy [and lucky!] little black duck [and his landlord!],

Ian

PS. I repeat - do not try this at home unless you have good speaker management functions in your pre-amp/receiver!

[edits]

PPS. I'll start another thread soon with some warnings for all current and potential plasma owners [any brand/size] arising from the last few days tests of the NEC.

PPPS. Tomorrow we'll find out how this arrangement sounds with Hi-Rez audio (DVD-A and SACD). Just have to hook up the multichannel from the Pioneer 676A.

PPPPS. Bummer! Full orchestral music still needs more tuning - too many small peaks in the response now with 3 different speaker types across the front (mains, centre and sub).

- But1: A 'Bolero' [ODP/Barenboim] that I use to test sound stage kept perfect image (and this particular recording has the widest and most pin-point accurate stereo sound stage I have ever heard on any high-end system).

- But2: OK ... have just been through a full Beethoven's Ninth and can see where the problems are: violins too harsh (because of the 'ordinary' NEC tweeters), orchestra out of whack (because of the NEC high-bass peaks and troughs - probably around NEC cabinet resonant frequencies) - BUT, the vocals in 'Ode to Joy' are spot-on (because the ProAc's shine through where the NEC is not interfering)!!!! Sorry! Ignore that rubbish! I now remember I got that particular 9th purely for the tenor in the 'Ode'!

- But3: Mussorgsky's 'Pictures at an Exhibition' [LSO/Abbado] is perfect - even with all the trumpets and violins. [Awesome!!!! The combo just got through 'The Great Gates of Kiev' without breaking up! Even the IRS Gammas used to stumble on this track with their low bass performance].

- But4: Piano is fine with another 'reference' - Rachmaninoff's 2nd Piano Concerto, [RP/Horenstein/Wilde]

- But5: Final comments (I'd better let the neighbours get some sleep!) ... 2Pac and 50-cent have improved too!

PPPPPS. Important Note: I would be reluctant to recommend this approach if you have wider-range mains than my bookshelf-sized studio monitors! I think you would lose bass balance with the inferior centre channel bass of the 'wing' speaker plastic cabinets - though I'd leave the Centre turned down anyway now that I've tried all the different music types with an active Centre.

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* Actually, I bought them with a 'no questions asked' refund commitment - I'm not totally brain dead yet.

** My apologies to non-audiophiles for this detailed ramble and mentions of my 'reference' CDs, but even if only a couple of plasma-owning members find it interesting, it was worth my time in typing it. **

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