glenncol 0 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Hey all The New NEC HD Plasma (42 XR4W) has been releast here in Oz http://www.necvisualsystems.com/applicatio...?Product_id=454 I think this may be the go for me Will be Viewing it late next week at E-Home in Carnegie Link to post Share on other sites
morgus 0 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Excellent. Being in the market for a HD plasma, I'll be very interested to see your take on this model. Will head on down there to have a look at it myself when time permits. Hopefully they'll also have the 50" model. Link to post Share on other sites
glenncol 0 Posted September 22, 2004 Author Share Posted September 22, 2004 Excellent. Being in the market for a HD plasma, I'll be very interested to see your take on this model. Will head on down there to have a look at it myself when time permits. Hopefully they'll also have the 50" model. I didnt ask about the 50" you might want to give them a call Link to post Share on other sites
Groover ! 0 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Well saw the 50XR4W today and liked it so much I bought it. I spent 3 hours putting in different DVI connections and it played beautifully. The thing that got me was you could change the vertical & h and a whole host of other controls which I havent seen on any other Plasma through DVI. It also comes with a 3 year warranty. Im getting mine tomorrow and as is always the case TIME WILL TELL. Angelo Link to post Share on other sites
glenncol 0 Posted September 22, 2004 Author Share Posted September 22, 2004 Well saw the 50XR4W today and liked it so much I bought it.I spent 3 hours putting in different DVI connections and it played beautifully. The thing that got me was you could change the vertical & h and a whole host of other controls which I havent seen on any other Plasma through DVI. It also comes with a 3 year warranty. Im getting mine tomorrow and as is always the case TIME WILL TELL. Angelo Bloody hell dude that was fast What did you get it for? Is it that good? Link to post Share on other sites
laurie 1 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Well saw the 50XR4W today and liked it so much I bought it. That's one thing I like about you Angelo your not a tyre kicker...hope its all you want in a display cheers laurie ps Angelo now has his own ABN number he has now qualified for wholesale status yes Angelo me very cheeky boy...!! Link to post Share on other sites
laurie 1 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Why oh why do they just put one DVI-D socket in cheers laurie Link to post Share on other sites
Groover ! 0 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Well saw the 50XR4W today and liked it so much I bought it.I spent 3 hours putting in different DVI connections and it played beautifully. The thing that got me was you could change the vertical & h and a whole host of other controls which I havent seen on any other Plasma through DVI. It also comes with a 3 year warranty. Im getting mine tomorrow and as is always the case TIME WILL TELL. Angelo Bloody hell dude that was fast What did you get it for? Is it that good? I was looking for a panel which gave me the same PQ as the Sony I had but with a DVI input which had no quirks. I was going for the 42cm but when I saw the 50inch right next to the Pioneer and the new Panasonic 50cm , it made me look twice. I had a play with it and it bet the Panasonic by a country mile and it match the Poineer (which I still think is one of the best plasmas along side the Fuji Ive ever seen.) I made the salesperson throw in a DVI monster cable for free(which would you believe retails for a frign $425). So in total I got the stand, 3 year warranty, DVI monster cable and free delivery for $8400 which only worked out $1800 more than the Sony 42cm. The retail price was $11000. Angelo Link to post Share on other sites
glenncol 0 Posted September 22, 2004 Author Share Posted September 22, 2004 Well saw the 50XR4W today and liked it so much I bought it.I spent 3 hours putting in different DVI connections and it played beautifully. The thing that got me was you could change the vertical & h and a whole host of other controls which I havent seen on any other Plasma through DVI. It also comes with a 3 year warranty. Im getting mine tomorrow and as is always the case TIME WILL TELL. Angelo Bloody hell dude that was fast What did you get it for? Is it that good? I was looking for a panel which gave me the same PQ as the Sony I had but with a DVI input which had no quirks. I was going for the 42cm but when I saw the 50inch right next to the Pioneer and the new Panasonic 50cm , it made me look twice. I had a play with it and it bet the Panasonic by a country mile and it match the Poineer (which I still think is one of the best plasmas along side the Fuji Ive ever seen.) I made the salesperson throw in a DVI monster cable for free(which would you believe retails for a frign $425). So in total I got the stand, 3 year warranty, DVI monster cable and free delivery for $8400 which only worked out $1800 more than the Sony 42cm. The retail price was $11000. Angelo damn i am looking at the 50" Wife just told me one of her friends at work's husband works at NEC communications maybe i can score a staff discount Link to post Share on other sites
salamagd1503559711 0 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Sounds interesting! Does anyone (glenncol?) have any idea where in Melbourne the 50" could be obtained for that sort of price? Link to post Share on other sites
glenncol 0 Posted September 22, 2004 Author Share Posted September 22, 2004 Sounds interesting!Does anyone (glenncol?) have any idea where in Melbourne the 50" could be obtained for that sort of price? Have a chat to the guys at E-Home i would hope $8K less the monster cable Link to post Share on other sites
betty boop 16,065 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi...item=5720419780 $8150 from ebay....from cosmeticsrus????hehehe Link to post Share on other sites
ritesh 0 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Well saw the 50XR4W today and liked it so much I bought it.I spent 3 hours putting in different DVI connections and it played beautifully. The thing that got me was you could change the vertical & h and a whole host of other controls which I havent seen on any other Plasma through DVI. It also comes with a 3 year warranty. Im getting mine tomorrow and as is always the case TIME WILL TELL. Angelo So is the old Sony for sale, or going back to the retailer? cheers, Ritesh PS: BTW, the Hitachi let's you play with the H and V values, haven't tried just yet though.... Link to post Share on other sites
Groover ! 0 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Well saw the 50XR4W today and liked it so much I bought it.I spent 3 hours putting in different DVI connections and it played beautifully. The thing that got me was you could change the vertical & h and a whole host of other controls which I havent seen on any other Plasma through DVI. It also comes with a 3 year warranty. Im getting mine tomorrow and as is always the case TIME WILL TELL. Angelo So is the old Sony for sale, or going back to the retailer? cheers, Ritesh PS: BTW, the Hitachi let's you play with the H and V values, haven't tried just yet though.... When back to the retailer. Angelo Link to post Share on other sites
angryofmayfair 0 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 If it's as good in the flesh as it 's specs suggest then I might have to consider selling the Hitachi... 4096 grey levels and 68.7 billion colours - wow! A nice range of inputs too Does it come in black or charcoal? I hate those bright silver panels.... NEC have a good name in PC monitors and projectors - it looks like this one might be a winner if the price is right which it looks to be at around the $8k mark Link to post Share on other sites
Groover ! 0 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Comes in charcoal and silver. Angelo Link to post Share on other sites
mozmo 0 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Angelo does the nec allow you to adjust the size of the H/V or just allow you to shift H/V with dvi inputs? Otherwise you may be in the same dilema you had with the sony. What are the blacks like on this unit? NEC never show any contrast ratio specs so just curious how they are compared to other units. It's a good price btw, it's great to see these 50's comming down in price, there's hope that a 60 inch will be at a decent price when I retire the 42inch in 2-3 years. Link to post Share on other sites
glenncol 0 Posted September 23, 2004 Author Share Posted September 23, 2004 this one might be a winner if the price is right which it looks to be at around the $8k mark Ok guys I am going in Satureday morning i an going down to check this puppy out with a price in mind. It was suggested to me today go in at $7500 and expect to wal out with the unit at $7750.00 For those interdted you should be able to get the 42" for around $5800 Link to post Share on other sites
Groover ! 0 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Angelo does the nec allow you to adjust the size of the H/V or just allow you to shift H/V with dvi inputs? Otherwise you may be in the same dilema you had with the sony.What are the blacks like on this unit? NEC never show any contrast ratio specs so just curious how they are compared to other units. It's a good price btw, it's great to see these 50's comming down in price, there's hope that a 60 inch will be at a decent price when I retire the 42inch in 2-3 years. Hi Mozmo Yep you can adjust H/V but you dont have to as I made sure it didnt have the same problem as the Sony. The blacks are very good, there is a control which allows deep or light blacks. The only thing that I know you would hate (including myself on mute you can hear the fan !) Angelo Link to post Share on other sites
Groover ! 0 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 this one might be a winner if the price is right which it looks to be at around the $8k mark Ok guys I am going in Satureday morning i an going down to check this puppy out with a price in mind. It was suggested to me today go in at $7500 and expect to wal out with the unit at $7750.00 For those interdted you should be able to get the 42" for around $5800 Unless you took a gun with you I don,t think your gonna get close to that price. Angelo Link to post Share on other sites
Groover ! 0 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Well I have a good play with it and I can tell you on DVI when the picture quality is good its picture is jaw droppingly good, but if the picture source is bad MATE ITS BAD.The Ch70 Loop is the worst Ive ever seen it yet the CH90 Loop is bloody fantastic , there is no fast motion pixelation as well. The DVI connection is the best connection when the PQ is good, but when its bad the component connection softens the picture and does look better. The 50inch shows every piece of picture artifact there is. Im sitting around 2.7m away from the screen which I think is too close. What would be the perfect distance for a 50inch ? There is about 1 billion adjustments you can make under the menu. Its SD (foxtel and dvd) picture is brillant as well. Ill write more as time goes on. Angelo Link to post Share on other sites
glenncol 0 Posted September 23, 2004 Author Share Posted September 23, 2004 Angelo does the nec allow you to adjust the size of the H/V or just allow you to shift H/V with dvi inputs? Otherwise you may be in the same dilema you had with the sony.What are the blacks like on this unit? NEC never show any contrast ratio specs so just curious how they are compared to other units. It's a good price btw, it's great to see these 50's comming down in price, there's hope that a 60 inch will be at a decent price when I retire the 42inch in 2-3 years. Hi Mozmo Yep you can adjust H/V but you dont have to as I made sure it didnt have the same problem as the Sony. The blacks are very good, there is a control which allows deep or light blacks. The only thing that I know you would hate (including myself on mute you can hear the fan !) Angelo I had the fan on the Marantz as well trust me you wont notice it after the first week Link to post Share on other sites
glenncol 0 Posted September 23, 2004 Author Share Posted September 23, 2004 this one might be a winner if the price is right which it looks to be at around the $8k mark Ok guys I am going in Satureday morning i an going down to check this puppy out with a price in mind. It was suggested to me today go in at $7500 and expect to wal out with the unit at $7750.00 For those interdted you should be able to get the 42" for around $5800 Unless you took a gun with you I don,t think your gonna get close to that price. Angelo A little insode info has come to hand Link to post Share on other sites
Ohboy 0 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Hi, The ideal viewing distance for the 50" is 4.3mtrs. Hope you have a BIG room Cheers Link to post Share on other sites
dvduser 0 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 The ideal viewing distance for the 50" is 4.3mtrs. Hope you have a BIG room Beg to differ, suggested viewing distance is normally around 1.5-1.7 times diagonal measurement. So as 50" is 1.27mtr, viewing distance should be between 1.90-2.16mtr For my 2.13 screen I'm around 3.4mtr back and get a great view, based on your calculation I'd need to be around 7.2mtr back - which means I'd be sitting in the back yard Link to post Share on other sites
Ohboy 0 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Hi DVDUSER, We will have to agree to disagree, unless you extend your house, in order to view a picture with no obvious pixels showing. The calc. is 3.5 x diagonal. Knock out a wall and let me know if I am wrong Regards Link to post Share on other sites
angryofmayfair 0 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Actually the *new* ratio for viewing HD panels is factored using a multiple of the screen height not the diagonal. Just what it is I dont know but in theory you *can* sit much closer to a HD panel than you can to a CRT tv. In fact if you sit too far away, at what we would accept as *normal* viewing distances then you are too far away to see the fine detail of a HD broadcast and might as well have bought a SD panel... Of course that's all assuming that the transmission/source is of the best HD quality which it rarely is.... Link to post Share on other sites
Owen 119 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 For viewing movies, the MAXIMUM viewing distance for a 50” screen is 2.4 meters. That provides a 26deg viewing angle, or the same as the BACK row in a cinema. The recommended viewing distance is between 1.8 and 2.1 meters for that size screen, or like the middle rows of a cinema. I can hear the screams of disagreement already, but check the calculator here: http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/vie...ancemetric.html In my personal experience with a larger 57” screen viewed from 2.8 meters, good quality 1080i HD looks amazing, properly upscaled DVD’s look good to very good and Poxtel Digital looks like blurry crap. With the same display viewed from 4.5 meters, 1080i HD and properly upscaled DVDs look almost identical and Poxtel looks quite good, so at this distance HD is a waste of time. I actually have the same movies in 1920x1080i HD and PAL DVD, so I can make valid comparisons. If the display is not capable of providing a good picture with NO visible pixel’s or screen door at the maximum viewing distance or 26deg viewing angle, then it is just not good enough IMHO. What’s the point of buying a large screen if you need to sit further away to get a good picture. You have gained nothing for your considerable additional expense. The idea of HD is that it allows large screens to be viewed up close for a true home cinema experience. Regards, Owen Link to post Share on other sites
mozmo 0 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 I lived with fans for 2 years on my older unit, it's not an issue unless you like watching movies late at night with the volume down very low. under normal volume conditions it's generally not noticable. But these days I've made a pact with myself anymore displays I get will be fanless, reason being not the noise so but heat. If the unit needs a fan cooling it all the time, I have concerns about the units longevity due to heat related issues. After having the amplifier inside the glass blow up on my older unit, I've convinced myself that it was probably caused by essesive heat, the older unit ran very hot. 2.7m damn you are sitting very close to it, the screen must feel massive at that range. Can you notice the screen door effect from that distance? This is one the reasons I find being very close to a plasma isn't good, screen door. Also I know what you mean about noticing poor quality sources a lot more, the bigger the screen the more noticable artefacts are. But provided you it good sources, you'll get a real nice cinematic effect. Link to post Share on other sites
Daywalker 1 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Angelo Check out this web site it may help answer the viewing distance question. http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/vie...ancemetric.html Regards Daywalker Link to post Share on other sites
dvduser 0 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Try this out, it's referenced all over the place as one of the best calculator sites around. http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/vie...ancemetric.html Owen - you beat me to it Link to post Share on other sites
glenncol 0 Posted September 23, 2004 Author Share Posted September 23, 2004 The ideal viewing distance for the 50" is 4.3mtrs. Hope you have a BIG room Beg to differ, suggested viewing distance is normally around 1.5-1.7 times diagonal measurement. So as 50" is 1.27mtr, viewing distance should be between 1.90-2.16mtr For my 2.13 screen I'm around 3.4mtr back and get a great view, based on your calculation I'd need to be around 7.2mtr back - which means I'd be sitting in the back yard I am pretty sure the calcs you are using is ment for Projector screens I remember reading that Plasma and LCD TV's have a different ratio Link to post Share on other sites
Bazza1503559531 0 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 To properly calc viewing distance.. turn on TV.. get real close, keep moving back until it looks great... There you have it.. scientific viewing distance calculator method I fail to see why you would buy a bigger screen if you have to get further back to enjoy it... Link to post Share on other sites
JandB 0 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 The ideal viewing distance for the 50" is 4.3mtrs. Hope you have a BIG room Beg to differ, suggested viewing distance is normally around 1.5-1.7 times diagonal measurement. So as 50" is 1.27mtr, viewing distance should be between 1.90-2.16mtr For my 2.13 screen I'm around 3.4mtr back and get a great view, based on your calculation I'd need to be around 7.2mtr back - which means I'd be sitting in the back yard I am pretty sure the calcs you are using is ment for Projector screens I remember reading that Plasma and LCD TV's have a different ratio Surely, Otherwise how can your eyes take in a 60" screen from 2.5m or a 50" screen from 2.2m? Especially a complex action scene. JB Link to post Share on other sites
Ohboy 0 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Hi. Viewing a 50" NEC from 1.9mtrs.........surely your head would fall off in time, by the constant left to right and up and down movement by following the action on the screen Regards Link to post Share on other sites
ritesh 0 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 I have read similar threads on various forums in the past, and I am amazed that people can watch 50'' etc. from less than 2m. Surely, with a few people in the family this would be highly impractical? Ritesh Link to post Share on other sites
mozmo 0 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 I fail to see why you would buy a bigger screen if you have to get further back to enjoy it... The only issue with a bigger screen is with plasma imo screen door. Since a bigger screen will usually have a large pixel pitch if you sit too close you'll notice the barrier ribs between the pixels. generally though around 2-2.5m the screen door disapears depends on peoples eyesight, then it's just a matter of personal preference on how far away you sit from that to reduce eye strain. Link to post Share on other sites
Owen 119 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 How do you people manage when you go to the cinema? You must sit in the back row and then complain that the screen is too big. A 50” screen viewed from 2.4 meters is the SAME as sitting in the BACK row at the cinema. 2 meters is like sitting in the middle where most people prefer to sit and where the director of the movie intended it to be viewed from. Problems with screen door, visible pixel’s, solarisation, motion artifacts and other pixel related problems is exactly why I did not purchase a digital display. Regards, Owen Link to post Share on other sites
Markus1503559604 0 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 That's one thing I like about you Angelo your not a tyre kicker...hope its all you want in a display ... could you imagine a night at home without a telly! By the way Angelo what was it like on SD ? [EDIT] I just re-read your last post: Its SD (foxtel and dvd) picture is brillant as well. Link to post Share on other sites
laurie 1 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 From my experience living with a 32" WS tv and a pj displayed @150" the difference between the two sizes is only apparent when you walk between the two screen sizes after 20mins or so sitting at my best distance from my tv my EYES tells my brain that in actual fact they are the same size in other words its all relative cheers laurie Link to post Share on other sites
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