andyr Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Guzzista said: Kiseki, “Purple Heart” a truly amazing cartridge. Hah, I thought it might be (from the length of its wood body)! Yes, I've listened to 2 different systems recently, having PHs. Both wonderful sound. What are you loading it at, Greg? Andy Edited March 26, 2021 by andyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charles hidalgo Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 11 hours ago, Bell Ringer said: Lovely looking tt. What bearing are you using? The Peter Reinders one or an original updated? The bearing is from SPH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deniall Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) Edited March 27, 2021 by deniall 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansui77 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) Got one of the my TT's running playing what it knows best with a brand new AT540ML. Looking forward in hearing a few 12" 45rpm cut pressings. Edited March 28, 2021 by Sansui77 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charly Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 So 6 years and 2 false starts but finally got the top 3. Sansui Sr 838, Xr Q7, Sr 929. I think I’m done with Sansui turntables now. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansui77 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Charly said: So 6 years and 2 false starts but finally got the top 3. Sansui Sr 838, Xr Q7, Sr 929. I think I’m done with Sansui turntables now. Nice setup. Yeah I'm the same, two tables are more than enough to look after (838 & 929). Edited March 28, 2021 by Sansui77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzista Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) On 26/03/2021 at 11:09 PM, andyr said: Hah, I thought it might be (from the length of its wood body)! Yes, I've listened to 2 different systems recently, having PHs. Both wonderful sound. What are you loading it at, Greg? Andy Andy, 450 ohms, I have not tried Bob Levi's advice to set at 800-1000ohms yet, but that does seem excessive. BTW sorry for the late reply I have been away. Cheers Edited March 29, 2021 by Guzzista spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyr Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, Guzzista said: BTW sorry for the late reply I have been away. Absolutely NP, Greg. 10 minutes ago, Guzzista said: Andy, 450 ohms, I have not tried Bob Levi's advice to set at 800-1000 ohms yet, but that does seem excessive. Aah, I'm afraid I don't know Bob Levi ... and I didn't know someone had made any loading recommendations for the PH. Can you give me the link to Bob's article/advice? I asked about what you were loading it with because I recently heard a PH ... and the guy was loading it at 600 ohms (because he didn't have much choice with the phono stage he was using). I took over a collection of 'load plugs' for him to try and was interested that he subsequently decided 3300 ohms gave the best sound (he tried high and lower). To me, as the internal coil impedance of the PH is 420 ohms ... I would expect the optimum loading would be somewhere between 470 ohms and 4700 ohms (standard res values). So I can believe 3300 is a good load. Why do you think that 800-1000 ohms is "excessive"? Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzista Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 On 29/03/2021 at 7:34 PM, andyr said: Absolutely NP, Greg. Aah, I'm afraid I don't know Bob Levi ... and I didn't know someone had made any loading recommendations for the PH. Can you give me the link to Bob's article/advice? I asked about what you were loading it with because I recently heard a PH ... and the guy was loading it at 600 ohms (because he didn't have much choice with the phono stage he was using). I took over a collection of 'load plugs' for him to try and was interested that he subsequently decided 3300 ohms gave the best sound (he tried high and lower). To me, as the internal coil impedance of the PH is 420 ohms ... I would expect the optimum loading would be somewhere between 470 ohms and 4700 ohms (standard res values). So I can believe 3300 is a good load. Why do you think that 800-1000 ohms is "excessive"? Andy Link to the Bob Levi review below... https://positive-feedback.com/Issue74/kiseki_purpleheart.htm Robert H Levi (Bob Levi) is the author of "Positive Feedback" a highly respected audiopile and reviewer. Magenta Audio, wholesalers of the Kiseki Purple Heart cartridge also refer to his preferred set up on their web page. My Pass Labs XP-17 phono amp has many load settings, on my system 800 is to high. Cheers Guzzista, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Guzzista said: Link to the Bob Levi review below... https://positive-feedback.com/Issue74/kiseki_purpleheart.htm Robert H Levi (Bob Levi) is the author of "Positive Feedback" a highly respected audiopile and reviewer. Magenta Audio, wholesalers of the Kiseki Purple Heart cartridge also refer to his preferred set up on their web page. My Pass Labs XP-17 phono amp has many load settings, on my system 800 is to high. Cheers Guzzista, LOL . I find Levi one of, if not the worst reviewer ever. Is is still reviewing? Perhaps @andyr can explain why the cart should be loaded at 800-1000ohms when he uses a SS phono stage with SUT's with choices of 4ohms, 15 and 40. Edited March 31, 2021 by metal beat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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andyr Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 hours ago, metal beat said: Perhaps @andyr can explain why the cart should be loaded at 800-1000ohms when he uses a SS phono stage with SUT's with choices of 4ohms, 15 and 40. You mean the (good?) Mr Levi uses an ss phono stage with a SUT, Shane? (coz I certainly don't! ) My recommendations for loading are simply 10-100x coil impedance - coz that's what I've found works. Exactly whereabouts in this range is appropriate ... is entirely up to the listener! The higher the loading value ... the more air there is in the soundstage - but the bass loses tightness, the higher load you go. Which I'm sure you know. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyr Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 hours ago, fatgen said: Humble Lenco Aah, so you're in Sydney now, Andrew? Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, andyr said: You mean the (good?) Mr Levi uses an ss phono stage with a SUT, Shane? (coz I certainly don't! ) My recommendations for loading are simply 10-100x coil impedance - coz that's what I've found works. Exactly whereabouts in this range is appropriate ... is entirely up to the listener! The higher the loading value ... the more air there is in the soundstage - but the bass loses tightness, the higher load you go. Which I'm sure you know. Andy Good Andy? absolutely not. totally agree with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzista Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, metal beat said: Good Andy? absolutely not. totally agree with you Thanks guys, I would be totally lost without you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloth Ears Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 On 28/03/2021 at 8:07 PM, Charly said: So 6 years and 2 false starts but finally got the top 3. Sansui Sr 838, Xr Q7, Sr 929. I think I’m done with Sansui turntables now. Turntables? You have turntables? I couldn't take my eyes off the CA2000 and the pair of BA2000's. (I apologise for drooling) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doppelganger Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 17 hours ago, metal beat said: LOL . I find Levi one of, if not the worst reviewer ever. Is is still reviewing? Perhaps @andyr can explain why the cart should be loaded at 800-1000ohms when he uses a SS phono stage with SUT's with choices of 4ohms, 15 and 40. The choices of 4, 15 and 40 Ohms refers to the approximate internal impedance of the cartridge rather than the load impedance. They would equate to loadings of 52, 209 and 470 Ohms respectively into a 47K phono stage load. For the Kiseki, you would select the 40 Ohm setting, so a 470 Ohm load. To load at 800 Ohms, he was either using the MM input with a different SUT (1:8 turns ratio for example) or with a higher input impedance on the MM (100K is an option) or the EAR 324 also enables adjustment of the 47K on the MC input (to 80K or 100K). Regardless, it would have been wise for him to explain exactly how he achieved that load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakey72 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 On 26/03/2021 at 7:30 PM, Guzzista said: Very happy with this TT and the XP-17 Phono stage. Looks awesome Greg. What is the deck and arm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted April 1, 2021 Author Share Posted April 1, 2021 57 minutes ago, Doppelganger said: The choices of 4, 15 and 40 Ohms refers to the approximate internal impedance of the cartridge rather than the load impedance. They would equate to loadings of 52, 209 and 470 Ohms respectively into a 47K phono stage load. For the Kiseki, you would select the 40 Ohm setting, so a 470 Ohm load. To load at 800 Ohms, he was either using the MM input with a different SUT (1:8 turns ratio for example) or with a higher input impedance on the MM (100K is an option) or the EAR 324 also enables adjustment of the 47K on the MC input (to 80K or 100K). Regardless, it would have been wise for him to explain exactly how he achieved that load. thanks Greg that was my point. I guess Andy was too old and lazy to read the review 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNWau Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 My beautiful Funk Firm LSD, with an F5 arm, Sumiko Amethyst and Funk Achromat. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzista Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 2 hours ago, blakey72 said: Looks awesome Greg. What is the deck and arm? Blakey The Deck is Clearaudio Innovation, the arm is a Clearaudio Universal 9" with VTA adjustment, cart is Kiseki Purple Heart with Houdini cartridge decoupler. Phono stage is Pass Labs XP-17. 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNWau Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Guzzista said: Houdini cartridge decoupler I’ve heard excellent things about these Houdini decouplers...worth it in your opinion? And what sort of difference did it make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blakey72 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 27 minutes ago, Guzzista said: Blakey The Deck is Clearaudio Innovation, the arm is a Clearaudio Universal 9" with VTA adjustment, cart is Kiseki Purple Heart with Houdini cartridge decoupler. Phono stage is Pass Labs XP-17. Great album too 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzista Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, RNWau said: I’ve heard excellent things about these Houdini decouplers...worth it in your opinion? And what sort of difference did it make? IMHO worth it? yes. Though I did have a guy in Sydney come to my home after I fitted it and he set up the cartridge alignment perfectly just to make sure I was getting the best out of my rig. Noise floor drops considerable, even though I had already done a lot to address this previously the decoupler improved it even further. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzzista Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, blakey72 said: Great album too Discrepancy obtained it for me, it is an original 1988 UK release, perfect condition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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