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We had a Philips 42fd9953 plasma screen, soon to be sent back where it came from. Picture quality is not exactly great on moving faces...Anyway.....

Looking at replacing it with the LG RT42PX10.

Anyone know anything about it?

Thanks

Jonathan

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Hi all

We had a Philips 42fd9953 plasma screen, soon to be sent back where it came from. Picture quality is not exactly great on moving faces...Anyway.....

Looking at replacing it with the LG RT42PX10.

Anyone know anything about it?

Thanks

Jonathan

Dude honestly go the extra and get the Hitachi

I had the same Philips and sent it back inplace i have the Sammy 46" LCD RPTV

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I checked out the LG a couple of weeks ago and my conclusion was that it aint that good,even for the price.I have checked out alot of low end plasmas over the last couple of months as i wanted a plasma but wasnt prepared to spend 6 or 7K.I agree with glenncol about getting the Hitachi if you can afford it of course.In terms of low end plasmas they really arent worth it IMHO if you carnt stretch the budget for a quality plasma display like me then you should wait and save more money for a better display or get something else.I have seen the Fujitsu 42VHA30 plasma which i think is the best SD plasma ever in my opinion for $6.5K with free desk top stand and $500 Myer voucher.Good luck and good move getting rid of the Philips.

Cheers Ryan

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I can back up Ryan's statement on the Fuji 42VHA30. It's a lot of money (mine was 6.3K) but nothing underneath comes close in picture quality and you could spend a lot more for no real improvement.

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:blink: Guys I have had an LG RT-42PX10 for two weeks now and love it.Please ignore some of the F.O.S responses to some of these forums.Its features and pictures are fantastic (anyone who has seen it has been impressed) and I think some are struggling to justify other much more expensive and lesser quality options.The only imperfection so far is a very slight out of synch sound with both SonyDVD andDGTec STB. Any suggestions from anyone with what I do about that (We're talking very slight here)?I havent even approached the manufacturers to see if it can be adjusted.
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Yeah but this display only has a resolution of 852 x 480, which is less than I get on my PAL CRT. Why would anyone spend $5K on an inadequate piece of equipment like this? Being an early adoptor is one thing, but ???

If you want a plasma, wait 12 months until we get proper HD res displays for today's sub-SD prices, or buy a Hitachi (1024x1024 - the closest you can et to HD for a reasonable price).

John

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I agree with Jonathon. I have had my LG RT42PX10 for 3 days now and am happy with it. It look crystal clear in about 4 shops I went to, and they were not playing animated DVD's but normal movies that you see the quality. I cannot see the justification in price to buy other brands such as Fujitsu or Hitachi. At least LG manufactures their own panels and do not buy off each other such as Fujitsu, Hitachi, Sony and Phillips do.

I have a few questions though;

1. I have an older Pioneer DVD player. I was told that progressive scan DVD's would give a better picture and was told no Pioneer DVD player at the momenth does progressive scan (except for the very expensive models). I have noticed a difference between the quality of my DVD and the one I saw in the shop. My picture does not seem as clear, I assume the explanation is "noise" but not sure what that means!? Would this be because of the progessive scan? I have connected via component video with Acoustic Research cables.

2. I have connect my Austar satellite to the plasma via S-video as thats all there is on the box to choose from (except normal yellow RCA). It again seems like there is "noise" and the picture is not 100% clear. You notice it more on close up on faces where the picture seems fake and colours do not seem to blend. Is this because of the connection and/or Austar output?

3. Is there anything such as an S-Video to Component cable to make the above Austar picture better?

Mossy

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Today I received my new LG RT-42PX10 and so far it's great.

It's only an SD unit but I can't tell from where I'm sitting(LOL). In fact I'm actually sitting much closer to the unit than is recommended in the user guide and even the analog PAL reception looks good. I can't tell that it has a lower vertical resolution than my Philips 80cm(4:3) crt tv. In fact, the plasma's screen size is 20mm higher than the Philips so the reduced resolution should be even more noticable, but it isn't. I also have a TEAC SD STB, a Strong SD PVR and a Panasonic combo VCR/DVD connected. All give excellent picture quality (haven't tried the VCR yet though).

I've compared many Plasma's over the last few weeks from the Pioneer HD to the TEAC SD. I found the Teac and Sony model(s) in particular to give an inferior picture to the LG. In fact with the LG next to a Sony that cost 50% more, the Sony looked terrible even though they were both being fed the same HD signal.

So far I have 2 minor quibbles about the LG. It only has 2 RCA A/V inputs (as well as componant/RGB/DVI), I new about this before purchase, and the auto screen aspect ratio sometimes gets it wrong and you need to manually select the correct aspect ratio.

Now you also get a free LG HD STB with the purchase, but it's by redemption so I need to send away for it.

Cheers,

Rob

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hello,

Do yourself a favour and compare any SD plasma you are looking at with the NEC VP4 plasma.

It has the some of the best contrast ( LG has some of the worst)

The most colour steps on the market, which you will acctually notice more on animated film, so Nemo and the like are goods to test plasmas on.

And also compare the natural skin tones, Lg's are generally red.

Put this together with a 3 year warranty out of the box and tou have one of the best value plasmas around. considering retail is $5999...

TVDOOD

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No mate.LG clarity and skintones are fine.Channel 9 HD test pattern picture is as close to perfect as I could want. However on weak or poor quality inputs faces can occasionally look a bit like a weather map but never for very long.With prime quality signals its fantastic

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I think I'm going to have to retract my previous support for this LG. The picture lagging behind the sound and the patchy looking skin tones (as Richard described as a weather map effect) is NOT what I spend 5 grand to have. Last night I set up my CRT TV on the same STB as the plasma and the picture on the LG lagged noticably behind the conventional TV, so the sound was in sync on the conventional TV but not on the plasma. As as the "weather map" effect goes, this seems to happen not only on skin but other graduated surfaces of different shades of similar colour, as if the display is working with a limited range of colours. I have what I believe to be a very strong signal so in my opinion it's not signal strength related. The same signal into my conventional TV produces properly graduated colours. Also the plasma doesn't have anywhere near as much detail in the picture as my conventional TV. I didn't notice this until I had them side by side. For instance peoples hair on the LG is almost like a plastic mask over their heads. I think this is due to the same lack of colour graduation that is so noticable on skin.

I'm starting to hate this LG and wish I'd never bought it. I'm going to see what my retailer says about it today.

Rob

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Rob,

You are spot on mate, the colour steps or grey scale is very poor out of the LG's.

From my research it is the worst out of any Name brand on the market, although it does sell at a low price. But as the old saying goes, you get what you pay for...

If you are considering other brands an NEC has the best available for not that much more money. It retails for $5999 but you should be able to sqeeze a salesman to about $5500..Not that much more than the LG..

If you want to test this in any plasma put on Finding Nemo and check out the colour graduation in the water behind the main characters.

TVDOOD

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Rpant

Just so you don't feel so bad I can confirm that I did the same thing as you.

I bought the RT-42PX10 last Thursday. Set it up and by Saturday rang the retailer to pick it up on Tuesday - for a refund. Like you, I was initially impressed by the PQ (at the store) but after viewing several of our DVD's there's no way I can live with it! You have to see Twister to truely appreciate the poor picture processing. In some scenes the actors look as if they have clowns make-up.

I'm going to Megamart next week to buy a different TV. I'm going to steer away from the plasma'a altogether. The LCD's can be similarly crappy.

I'm going to decide between either the Samsung SP47Q7HRX - any details other than the list price,about $4,000 are sketchy - or the 47" Hitachi. Both are CRT RPTV's, and both can display a HD resolution as well. Retravision have the Hitachi on special at the moment for just under $3,300.

I will have a look at the Samsung LCD RPTV's but I'm a bit suss on how they will handle the image processing as well. I'm taking Twister to test them out.

I can also confirm that I set up my 68cm LG TV next to the plasma and it ate it up for pictuer quality. It's just a smaller screen.

I'll add some comments later.

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a got a 4 nec vp4 the other day for $5500 each it had a better picture then the similar fujitsu for $6500.the new lg my price was $4250 but the customer wanted nec.

I had a look at the NEC and Fujitsu side by side tonight at Mega Mart

I dont know why the NEC looked a little fuzzy compared to the Fuji

I was offered the NEC at $5000 including desktop stand and i can get the Fuji for $5800 including stand

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Ive had my LG plasma LG RT42PX10 for 2 days. Watching DVDs i dont have a problem with it. Its only when i start watching TV channels that i start not too like this plasma.

Like others i have notice that the sound is not in sync. Noticed this last night while watching Rove Live. Its only just out. But the funny thing is its not all TV shows for some reason. Why would this be?

Why would LG sell a plasma like this? Surely they know about this problem.

DO you think that the HD box that LG will be providing will make any difference to this?

I saw this LG plasma hooked up to a HD set top box at JB today and they had the channel 9 HD demo going. Looked excellent!!

Also is there anyway to make the colour bands blank instead of grey?

cheers

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Ive had my LG plasma LG RT42PX10 for 2 days. Watching DVDs i dont have a problem with it. Its only when i start watching TV channels that i start not too like this plasma.

Like others i have notice that the sound is not in sync. Noticed this last night while watching Rove Live. Its only just out. But the funny thing is its not all TV shows for some reason. Why would this be?

Why would LG sell a plasma like this? Surely they know about this problem.

DO you think that the HD box that LG will be providing will make any difference to this?

I saw this LG plasma hooked up to a HD set top box at JB today and they had the channel 9 HD demo going. Looked excellent!!

Also is there anyway to make the colour bands blank instead of grey?

cheers

What HD Box you running?

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Hey guys, I have the same skin solarization issue on the LG. Has anyone called LG to complain? Perhaps it can be solved with a software upgrade or it was a bad batch?

As a side note does anyone know what the cinema option does? The manual does not have much info on it.

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I was looking at the LG and NEC 42" (106cm) plasmas side-by-side [and on special] in a store yesterday. The LG PQ was marginally better than the NEC, but neither were a patch on HD clarity through my cheap desktop 17" LCD.

They were much bigger though! :blink:

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Hey guys, I have the same skin solarization issue on the LG.  Has anyone called LG to complain? Perhaps it can be solved with a software upgrade or it was a bad batch?

As a side note does anyone know what the cinema option does?  The manual does not have much info on it.

I had always been interested in getting a plasma at some stage, but it was because of this person and the F1GP, that I decided I needed one!

So I've been researching since, including lurking around here.

In finally deciding on a purchase, I took into account:

Opinionated comments and biased anti-korea opinions (LG, Samsung)

Varying plasma setups in different shops

Different sources between plasmas displayed

Different display settings between displayed plasmas, eg, brightness, dig noise reduction, etc.

Operating System useability / ease of use

Features and variety of inputs...

The list goes on. I actually ended up making a spreadsheet that I used to make it easier to compare apples with apples.

It wasn't until late last night, at good ole Megamart, that I finally had an area to myself - no customers, no annoying opinionated sales people.

I had confirmed a suspicion of mine, they were all on customised user settings.

So I went and set them all back to basics - standard screens, normal color temp, etc. I turned their respective "signal processing" on, checked they were all using the same inputs, then stepped back...

Interesting that the ones they preferred to sell, no longer looked as good, side by side.

At the time, LG was leading the pack due to their offerings/flexibilty in functionality, OS GUI ease of use, manufacturing, etc, etc - but I noticed the LG was a bit hazy in physical comparison. That's when I realised I forgot to set the brigtness, etc, to similar settings across the "benchmark".

Once done, it was a pretty impressive picture (the brightness was a fair way up).

The real test happened when the uninformed, unbiased, "it's just a tv" girlfriend turned up. She sat back on the worn out couch and after a long moment of silence, pointed out one that she felt looked the most realistic.

It was the LG...

So I decided, in reality, I won't have more than one brand of plasma at home side by side, to notice the small differences between and I was able to get the LG for $4048 + their new HD STB. Almost $6krrp worth.

That's pretty good bang for your buck in my books.

It'll keep me happy for a couple of years until HD is broadcast more and HD PDP's become more developed and the resultant economics makes them cheaper.

Until then, I should be happy watching SD Foxtel Digital and SD DVD's.

This was my first post here, so sorry if it's dragged on. I just hope it's been useful to someone.

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Just an update on my earlier posts...

I've had this LG for nearly 2 weeks now and I have to admit it's growing on me. I'm satrting to get past the intermittant voice sync issue and the sometimes very noticable picture solarization effect. This effect is also noticable on other parts of the picture, not just skin, but it is more noticable on some programs and hardly there at all on others. Maybe it's got to do with the quality of the source material, I don't really know. Over the last week or so I've been going to every shop I can find to compare plasmas and I've come to the conclusion that they ALL have this problem to some extent, some like a couple of Sony's I saw looked even worse than the LG. Even the top of the range Sony and Pioneer HD's had signs of this.

When I first complained to my retailer he was really good and said that LG's service was far better than most and they would fix the problem or I could return it. He contacted LG for me with my 2 problems. LG responded that they knew of the sound sync problem but it's only 0.3 seconds and it should be fixed in a year. (I assume they mean in future models). The picture problem they couldn't understand what I meant, so I took a digital picture of it and emailed it to the retailer who forwarded it to LG. They responded by saying they will send a tech out to my home to check and I should get a phone call soon to arrange a suitable time. That was over 1 week ago and I've heard nothing from LG or the retailer.

So much for LG's great service!!!

If I had found a Plasma that I new didn't have these problems, then I would have pressed them harder for a resolution, but I don't want to change to another brand at extra cost just to find out it's not any better.

So the bottom line is I'm keeping the LG(I probably haven't a choice anyway), as it can produce what I consider a good picture and it does "mostly" enhance my viewing pleasure compared to my old 80CM CRT. One thing that did surprise me is that the pictures from my VCR look better on the plasma, I suspect the lack of detail in the plasma picture doesn't show the noise I used to see on the CRT's.

P.S. I know it's early days, but has anyone received the bonus STB yet? It looks nice on LG's website.

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glenncol - im not running any HD box. I only got the LG plasma on tuesday. And I sent away for the free HD box on wednesday. So 8 weeks to go :blink:

I get the out of sync both with my foxtel and just through the antenna.

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I get the out of sync both with my foxtel and just through the antenna.

If you run the sound straight into an amplifier and don't use the built in speakers does the problem still exist?

Adam

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glenncol - im not running any HD box. I only got the LG plasma on tuesday. And I sent away for the free HD box on wednesday. So 8 weeks to go :blink:

I get the out of sync both with my foxtel and just through the antenna.

Damn dude

I would try sort this out ASAP with LG and if need return the unit.

At the monent you can do a deal on the NEC for $5000 with desktop stand

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I've noticed this sync issue a couple of times through my foxtel dig. Changed the channel and found the other channels fine. So one would have to assume it was the broadcast...

Perhaps it's something to do with the process of mpeg2 encoding that foxtel use?

Some words from foxtel:

The FTA networks have specified the Dolby AC-3 audio standard for both STDV and HDTV. This is not an internationally adopted DVB model and is a hybrid scenario that has been specifically adopted in Australia as an option to the DVB Standard.

In the triple-cast scenario the sharing of one sound channel (AC-3) for both SDTV and HDTV video channels will result in lip-sync problems in both broadcast and the set top box because of the difference in delay with encoding and decoding SDTV video and HDTV video.

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I was looking at the LG and NEC 42" (106cm) plasmas side-by-side [and on special] in a store yesterday. The LG PQ was marginally better than the NEC, but neither were a patch on HD clarity through my cheap desktop 17" LCD.

They were much bigger though! :blink:

Geez dude

You are the first to give that opinion about the LG slightly above the NEC in PQ.

I have heard that the NEC is even better than the Fujitsu in PQ and i have seen both side by side and the Fuji was better.

I was lookig at replacing my Sammy 46" with either the NEC SD or Fuji SD i may have to re-look at the LG

Bu I have also seem thr Marantz HD and that thing is wild i may have to stretch

Where did you have a look at the NEC i seen them at Mega mart which may explain the poor set up

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Saw them on special at Betta Electrical. I certainly wouldn't have trusted their setup: They could have been running one from Component and the other from Composite for all I know. (I am not interested in SD plasmas, just passed on an observation from a typical retail outlet that specialises in fridges, coffee makers and microwaves - like Megamart, HN, CP, GG, etc, etc).

As I have said elsewhere, even AV specialists like Encel don't set things up properly - except for their favourites :blink:

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Saw them on special at Betta Electrical. I certainly wouldn't have trusted their setup: They could have been running one from Component and the other from Composite for all I know. (I am not interested in SD plasmas, just passed on an observation from a typical retail outlet that specialises in fridges, coffee makers and microwaves - like Megamart, HN, CP, GG, etc, etc).

As I have said elsewhere, even AV specialists like Encel don't set things up properly - except for their favourites :blink:

I think i will stick with the Marantz HD

I have the Sammy Repair guy coming out this afternoon to have a look at this set.

It is simular to the last set so i would say it is going to be replaced

If it is replaced it will not be with another Sammy i will upgrade to a HD plasma

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Good luck with the HD plasma! I find the best preparation for looking at HD displays is to sit at the NineHD loop on the PC at LCD native res (1280x720) for 30mins just before going out - it implants the clarity!

Totally wasted of course, if one is shopping at Encel. Ran into Darklord's brother at Encel Brisbane (Stereo Supplies) today. I asked how they had connected their Toshiba 32" (very green) and 36" (very muddy) sets running the Nine Loop. The answer was: one is Component (the big $5.5k one) and the other S-Video (the smaller, cheaper $4.5k one). So I asked if he could swap the cables or put both on component?

First answer was: "No, they are too heavy to move!"

So I offered to help :blink:

Second answer was: "No, we only have one STB!"

So I offered to bring my HD-STB in :P

Third answer was: "No, they are 576p and won't run HD at 100Hz!"

I have no idea at all where this last one came from!! The Toshies handle 720p and 1080i, the Nine HD loop runs quite nicely at 1080i, and I wasn't even thinking 100Hz. When I questioned how he would run digital component-in at 100Hz ... and why? ... he blustered on a bit then ran to answer the phone!!! I walked out the door laughing and shaking my head - is there a full moon this week?

So now I will be setting up a Pana 76PW200A (at $2.4k) and a Sony HR32M31 (at $2.8k) at Betta Electrical on YPrPb from two STBs. They will order both TVs in for me when I am ready, and I plan to buy the winner.

Encel's loss - again! They had already lost a Rotel + Polk 5.1 sale to me a year or so ago because of the same inflexibility (refused to connect up the Polk subbie).

I hate shopping!!!

[/frustrated ramble],

Ian

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I called the LG customer care line just before and the lady said (after 7min i was on hold to her for) said that the out of sync problem is foxtels problem. And you would have to ring them up regarding it.

But i really dont think that its foxtel issue. Thoughts?

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I only just bought this LG Plasma from Harvey Norman and noticed the audio lip sync problem whilst watching normal TV straight away. LG customer service had no idea really and tried to blame everything but their product. I have spoken to a service repair agent for Harvey Norman who stated there wasn't anything that could be done and basically I had to live with it. He said that it was an inherent problem with most plasma/lcd displays. Is this the case? Can anybody recommend a make/model that doesn't exhibit this audio sync problem

I was going to look at swapping this LG over for another brand that hopefully didn't exhibit this problem but if it is the same on all plasma's I will be asking for my money back.

The quote from the LG customer service rep that summed it up for me was, "Well it won't happen when you watch DVD's, only when you watch TV".

What use is a TV if you can't watch TV without it looking like a badly dubbed Bruce Lee movie. If I wanted that I'd hire it from the video shop for a couple of bucks - not $5k

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I only just bought this LG Plasma from Harvey Norman and noticed the audio lip sync problem whilst watching normal TV straight away. LG customer service had no idea really and tried to blame everything but their product. I have spoken to a service repair agent for Harvey Norman who stated there wasn't anything that could be done and basically I had to live with it. He said that it was an inherent problem with most plasma/lcd displays. Is this the case? Can anybody recommend a make/model that doesn't exhibit this audio sync problem

I have a Panasonic plasma and have never had a lip sync problem. Tell LG to shove their crap where it fits.

Excuse my french.

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What panasonic plasma have you got? and how much?

Whats a good plasma to get for below 5k mark?

I have a Pana SD 5 series plasma, bought it last year for $5990

My friends bought the Pana 6 series SD last week for $4990 from Bing Lee.

Excellent quality picture especially on digital TV and DVD progressive scan.

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After much jumping up and down, I have an LG technical service rep coming out to my house on Wednesay. Hopefully this sync problem will show its ugly head when he is there, but having looked into this problem further, it only appears on a few TV shows. I do not have a set top box yet and not sure if this will fix the problem, but all the TV's in Harvey Norman run through a set top box and none of them exhibited this sync problem whilst I was in the store. That said though this problem only occurs occasionally on my TV and it seems to be more often on shows at night, when I get the chance to watch it after work. The news broadcast is one in particular. If there was a hard fault with the Plasmas audio processing though I would have thought it would be there all the time, but it is not. If it was a broadcast problem I would have thought it would occur on all TV's but it doesn't occur on my CRT TV. This really has me baffled and frustrated. The technical rep did say that there is a small delay in the way the plasma processes video, in the range of 60 m/secs which may create a lag, but undetectable to the human eye. When I get the lip sync probelm it certainly is detectable.

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I have the same LG RT42PX10 & also get this synch problem. The weird thing is that it only occurs on certain shows. I have a SD set top box connected via S-Video & Audio cables but I know that MonaroGTS uses the tuner & gets the same problem.

What I find perplexing is that when I notice a synch issue on a particular show, I can change channels (via the STB) & other channels are just fine. Likewise, during adds or on the subsequent show on the affected channel, the problem goes away. I've really only noticed the problem badly on Channel 10. Foxtel (standard satellite) also has some synch issues but I recall having synch problems with Fox even on my old CRT so I don't think this is relevant.

The above would tend to indicate that the issue is with the broadcaster & not the TV but if so, why doesn't everybody get this synch issue?

I've e-mailed LG & received no reply so today I tried to call but got tired of waiting & left a call-back number. I know from this site & a few others I've seen that there are quite a few people experiencing this issue so this is something LG but deal with quickly or their reputation will suffer (if there is anything left of it that is after reading some of the stuff on this site).

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My retailer contacted LG about the sync and they said it's only a 0.3 second mismatch and they expect to eliminate that in about 12 months. To me that implies the models designed after that should be free of this defect but customers with older models will be stuck with it.

Although this problem can sometimes be annoying, I find the picture quality of greater concern.

My experience with LG aftersales support has been less than adequate on this and other issues.

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Guys

I,ve just bought the newly released LG RT-42PZ60 HD plasma and I can tell there is no lip sync problem what so ever.

Just put your foot down . Go back to your store from where you bought your plasma from an see if the foor model does it . Because if it doesnt youve been miss lead and your entitled to your money back.

Angelo

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