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I thought i would add my Panasonic QTR2140 and Palsonic 76WSHD experiences.

The Panasonic after several days of running completely loss all channel 9 channels, would lock when doing a rescan but refused to reload them to the channel list, was OK after it was allowed to cool down. Decided to return for a replacement. New one scanned OK but would lock up on channel 9, at one stage 3 times in 10 minutes. I have been using a Strong 5200b for months and have no problems with 9.

Found colour saturation far too high on most material, could not get red levels right, no such thing as natural skin tones.

Found the Palsonic reasonable but had annoying variation in brightness while changing channels (brightness limiter ????), and horizontal bars which became more noticable on certain colours.

Decided after 7 days of fiddling that I was not happy with the result for spending $2800 and returned them both for a refund. My old JVC and the Strong produce a far more natural picture with less pattening.

Ron.

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how's this for a bargain -

i've been lookin around at tv's in general and gettin interested in ws over the last month and planned to buy one in a couple more months time

i was at cashies a few days ago and they had a 76cm Orion 100hz, http://www.orion-tv.net.au/cgi-bin/orion/000198.html this one here tho their site has been down the last day or so.

they thought it was a run of the mill 68cm and had $540 on the price tag. needless to say it is mine now. oh yeah the rrp is $2399 and it is in around about new condition

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Great thread guys - but. :) I'm still undecided. Is the 76WSHD a reliable set? Are all you guys happy now - no more lines, blooming, colour patches etc.?

I'm not fussed about sound quality - the speaker in the set will rarely get used if at all.

This is what I have that will get connected at some stage if not all the time to this set -

- Omni DV3200p progressive dvd player

- Xbox

- laptop

- Stereo VCR with tuner (this tuner would get more use than the tuner in the tv)

- Digital Camcorder

- STB box is yet to come (maybe around March next year I'll get one of these - probably panasonic 1080i unit.

Primarily I want to watch DVD's. My wife and kids however will watch mainly regular free to air until I get a STB.

I expect to be able to use all of the above things very well, I expect most from the DVD playback.

My concern is with the name PALSONIC (is there much in a name nowa days?) - I don't want to be taking this set back and/or get it repaired anytime soon obviously. All the people here that have had seemingly minor issues seem fairly happy (after working out what their problems were) - is this still the case - still happy? :)

I was also told that the 76WSFD uses a Toshiba tube - is this correct? I know their extra 4:3 92cm tv uses a Toshiba tube but I'm not sure about the 76WSHD.

I also noticed that most STB's are either 576i or 576p/1080i - the manual for the 76WSHD only mentions 480p and 1080i (amoungst others) but no mention of 576i or 576p - should this be a concern? I guess it isn't as most of you seem to be connecting to STB's ok. I'm probably a little confused :)

cheers

Ji-Owon

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Hello Ji-Owon,

I have my Omni 3200P setup with the Palsonic in progressive mode 576P and I am happy with the quality. I also have the Pana STB connected with the xVGA (1080i) connection.

Overall I am still happy with both, no major issues yet (had it for 2 weeks). Image is very sharp. The colours can appear a bit too saturated but it depends on the indivuidual images. Reds can look like they phase a bit (I think that is how you would describe it-like when certain colour frequencies interact and appear to vibrate) for example the t shirts on the house calls to the rescue squad on the seven HD loop are too bright but on other occasions reds are ok.

Same with skin tones. Sometimes slightly too red or too blue (depending on settings). I thought that maybe the source footage may have some bearing on this effect. Apart from minor red issues, picture is very nice (I think for the price a great buy, I don't think anything else would come close for the $1750 I paid).

No real colour issues yet with DVDs, but I haven't watched a great deal in the 2 weeks I have had it though.

I would muck around with the moire for line issues. The TV does have so many settings you will find yourself constantly tweaking.. :blink:

Has anyone changed the Matrix settings (under the VF menu - normal, cold, warm)? I assume that they alter the white balance of the set? Maybe this can help skin tones?

Another strange problem that I don’t know is from the TV, my vcr seems to show tearing in the centre lines of the picture when viewing a recorded tape. Could it be that this TV is more sensitive to the sync from the vcr? I connected my Datavideo TBC-1000 between the video and the TV and it fixed the problem though.

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Another strange problem that I don’t know is from the TV, my vcr seems to show tearing in the centre lines of the picture when viewing a recorded tape. Could it be that this TV is more sensitive to the sync from the vcr? I connected my Datavideo TBC-1000 between the video and the TV and it fixed the problem though.

Interesting- I used my VCR for the first time for months (using TiVo HD recorder normally), and I was getting the tearing you are talking about. Thought it was the VCR! I'll try plugging it into another set & see what happens...

Indulis

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Hi RonF,

I have tried switching on (and off) the VCR function in the RF menu but this doesn't stop the frame tearing. The TBC definitely does fix it. On my ancient VCR (1981 era) the tearing is a lot worse.

I have a new Panasonic VCR connected to my computer (I use it to capture videos and convert to DVD). I will try it on the Palsonic and see if it makes any difference. (Maybe I need to buy a HDD recorder!)

Also in the RF menu, does anyone have any recommend settings? I guess that DNR is digital noise reduction, what are the other settings?

Cheers

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I'm still undecided. Is the 76WSHD a reliable set? Are all you guys happy now - no more lines, blooming, colour patches etc.?

ji-owon, not sure if i was the 1st, but i certainly raised the horizontal bar issue. I've all but resolved this by changing settings on stb and tweaking settings on tv. If they're still there you have to go squinty eyed to find them. In normal viewing i no longer see them. I also raised the blooming and bleeding issue. This was my fault by placing the tv too close to unshielded speakers (one on top of the other...small has 12" inch woofer and the large a 15").

DTV via XGA is near perfection, analogue FTA is good too, DVD via component is fantastic; Fox satellite via composite is marvellous, PS1 looks better than ever and the downside...my vcr has needed an upgrade for years and this is now even more obvious.

Happy with the set and would recommend to anyone. Not only is quality up there with the best of them, but you get great value for money too.

And of course, I'd like your (and others) help too...where in Sydney can one buy Omni DVD players?

Thanks

blairy

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This was my fault by placing the tv too close to unshielded speakers (one on top of the other...small has 12" inch woofer and the large a 15").

I have unshielded speakers.

How close is too close?

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thanks for the replies - busy little forum this - good stuff.

Well I did it - purchased the Palsonic 76WSHD yesterday for $1999 - well actually I also needed a new stand/cabinet and I decided on getting the extra 4years in home warranty (so thats 7 years all up). Apparently the extra 4 years was worth $499 (I doubt that) and the cabinet had a sticker price of $399. Got the lot for $2470.00 on no deposit 12months intertest free - fairly happy with that.

The TV so far is great! I have not found any faults I haven't been able to correct with in menu functions.

I'm extrememly tired (up far too late last night playing with the TV :)

I'll right up more on the TV tomorrow.

As for the Omni - well I'm in Perth and I purchased it for $270'ish nearly a year ago now from Strathfield - mostly very very happy with it. A friend of mine picked one up from Strathfield on special 2 weeks ago for just $100, needless to say he's pleased with that purchase!

bfn

cheers for the replies

Ji-Owon

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Hi

I have got the Palsonic now 3 weeks and I must say I am very happy with

this set . If you give me my money back , I will go and get another one the same day!!

The only issue I have is the horizontal bars that you can see on certain colors . Blairy how did you fix that ??

PQ is one of the best I have seen (DTV - DVDp)

niko

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Hello, an update in regards to the video performance and the horizontal tearing in the centre of the picture.

I have now tried 3 VCRs, a brand new Panasonic stereo HV60, 5 year old stereo Teac MV777 and a 20 year old ??? The picture shows tearing on ALL machines (the new Panasonic is the worst). I have also tried every video input with no luck either. I can fix the problem by passing the signal through my external Time Based Corrector, but I don't want to do this everytime!

Any ideas? Has anyone else noticed this effect?

BTW the Omnis were a good deal at $99, I bought 2 as xmas presents, I paid $280 for mine a while ago and was happy at that price.

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I have the tearing in the middle of the screen horizontally. My VCR is a 3-4 year old JVC multisystem hifi 6 head one. I was going to try a CP 2 video stabiliser to see if that fixes the problem. I will probably convert all my VHS tapes to DVDR though, and this will sidestep the problem.

I'm a little confused with the inputs etc, I'm used to RCA composite or SVHS video/audio. I have a Omni DV 3300AF progressive scan DVD player hooked up by component cables, but only seem to get WS on the HD component inputs, there seems to be no way of changing aspect ratio. The same when using the VGA out of the DVD player. I tried through the DVD player settings but seemed to make no difference. I assume as I can see video on the HD component inputs then the DVD player is outputting progressive?? The Palsonic handbook talks about various HD resolutions supported (at the back of the manual) but I cannot figure out how to view or change these.

How do I know what resolution my HD component signal is on the TV?? i.e. 576p , 576i etc??? :blink:

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niko said

The only issue I have is the horizontal bars that you can see on certain colors . Blairy how did you fix that ??

I'm using the dgtec 2000a via xga connection. Set the stb to hd2 (instead of hd1) and probelm resolved. This outputs resolution at 1152i and solved the problem. Try this web link for more detail.

http://www.dansdata.com/hdtv.htm

good luck

blairy

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niko said

The only issue I have is the horizontal bars that you can see on certain colors . Blairy how did you fix that ??

I'm using the dgtec 2000a via xga connection. Set the stb to hd2 (instead of hd1) and probelm resolved. This outputs resolution at 1152i and solved the problem. Try this web link for more detail.

http://www.dansdata.com/hdtv.htm

good luck

blairy

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dogsrus

How do I know what resolution my HD component signal is on the TV?? i.e. 576p , 576i etc???

This is way out of my league and to get the answer you should probably email Palsonic...nevertheless, I am thinking, that if you press the menu button, along the bottom edge of the osd are a few numbers.

Mine shows

Fh: 31.3 KHz Fv: 50.0 Hz

Referring to the chart on p.38 of the manual, these numbers correlate to Item No 2 being 720 X 600 P, also referred to as PAL Progressive. (As my STB doesn't output 720p, I'm guessing the TV must upscale or something.)

No idea how to change this or add display modes (although manual indicates it can be done).

Not sure that helps...not sure it's correct either :blink:

Anybody else got any clues

blairy

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.blairy

I'm using the dgtec 2000a via xga connection. Set the stb to hd2 (instead of hd1) and probelm resolved. This outputs resolution at 1152i and solved the problem. Try this web link for more detail.

http://www.dansdata.com/hdtv.htm

Thanks for the help blairy the horizodals lines gone!!

I have the Panasonic box(qtr2140) ,the setings are a bit different.

dgtec HD1 = Pana AA 1080i (1125)

dgtec HD2 = Pana AB 576p - 1152i (1080i)

dgtec TV = Pana BA 576i

------------- + Pana BB 1080i (1250)

On BB also you lose the lines but you lose also ch 7 HD - SBS HD (colours are all over the place on those two ch only).

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Never had any tearing in the middle of the screen horizontally problem

with my VCR (Panasonic FJ-630) .PQ is good.

RF (tuner) good - but you need a good antenna . (Not as good as my 17 years old 56” JVC)

DVDp -HD tv FANTASTIC!!! :blink:

niko

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when you set your STBs to HD2/AB what signal does your TV claim it is receiving?? progressive or interlaced??, only there have been a couple of reports from people who tested these STBs that these units do NOT output 1152i (depspite the manual specs) but output 576p from both component and RGB when HD2/AB is selected. Can you clarify this?

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Hello All,

I have tried all outputs from the qtr2140 to the Palsonic. I couldn’t get the BB mode to work at all. All I got was a mess of colour and images, I could hardly tell what was on screen. So I went back to AB with the xVGA connection. The picture is good except for the very strong reds in certain pictures (again seems to depend on the source footage).

In AB mode xVGA I also get;

Fh: 31.3 KHz Fv: 50.0 Hz

The tearing problem still there. I have emailed off Palsonic last Thursday but have heard nothing back from them yet. Fingers crossed that their customer service department will reply back. I will call on my next day off. The tuner has also giving me nothing but fuzz in RF mode as well. I will have to check to see if the lead is the problem.

Another strange problem with the qtr2140 (mode AB), channel 7 HD channel has disappeared (70)? I have reinstalled all channels on the STB and it found all except 70. I haven’t had time to search the other forums to see if there is a known problem.

Another question, when reading the warranty it says that home call out on the Palsonic is only available in Sydney metro area. Is this right?

Cheers, keep up the good work, some really good info in this forum.

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Chuditch - the "in home" serice is available in all areas provided you have a 61cm to 92cm TV - so not just Sydney. There are some conditions for that however which I'm not sure about. I have 7 years "in home" warranty so I'd be interested to know how that goes if you use it :)

I found that info here - http://www.palsonic.com.au/customer_service/custserv.htm

brgrds

Ji-Owon

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Thanks Ji-Owon, in my haste I stopped at the line

IN HOME* service is offered on 34cm to 92cm Sydney Metro only.

I missed the

IN HOME* service is offered on 61cm to 92cm in all other areas.

I wil let you know how I go.

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Cma anyone change the aspect ratio of the HD component in?? I'm trying to change the ratio on my Omni DV3300AF, but all I get is WS, and any 4:3 images are stretched. Is this a function of the Palsonic or DVD player??

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This is changed through the setup menu of my Omni3200P. Normally you set this for 16:9 and the dvd player adjusts automatically.

An observation:

When I view 4:3 DVDs (576p) the image is not centred (quite a bit off). I can adjust it either through the Tv or the DVD player, strange though.

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That's what I tried doing, I changed from 16:9 WS to 4:3 normal/LB or normal/PS, but no change in the output aspect ratio. I'm using the component HD inputs, and from the V & H freqs appear to be outputting progressive. Also in the DVD menus the video out is set for component-P, so I guess this means progressive too. Is my TV faulty or my DVD player not suitable. I could try changing to a normal video input and see if the DVD menu changes the aspect ratio. I don't have another progressive scan DVD player to try. I have the same problem on the HD VGA port, but again its the same DVD player. Anyone in Brisbane found a DSE Harmony DVD player???

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Chuditch - yeah I noticed that also - fair bit off to the left (same dvd player). I've since used the THX TV calibration utility found on my Star Wars and Monter Inc dvd's to find that even 16:9 screens were off to the left. I've adjusted this in the TV (as the omni does not remember those settings after power off). I centred the 16:9 chart that is displayed with the THX utility and the 4:3 screens also looked centred now.

Handy little tool that but I'll be borrowing my mates Digital Video Essentials dvd as soon as he's back from the UK. It's the NTSC version but that should not be a problem for the Palsonic or the Omni.

on the omni/palsonic thing - have you been able to get progressive scan going while the omni is connected to the palsonic's YCbCr inputs? It just won't work for me. If I connect it to the YPbPr ports it works fine. No big deal just curious as the Omni treats YPbPr/YCbCr the same - well same ports and menu selection. My assumption is that progressive scan is just not possible on the Palsonic's DVD IN ports but is possible with the HDTV IN ports.

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on the omni/palsonic thing - have you been able to get progressive scan going while the omni is connected to the palsonic's YCbCr inputs? It just won't work for me. If I connect it to the YPbPr ports it works fine.

I think thats situation normal regardless of brand.

If your set does not have a YPbPr input then it will not connect with a ps dvd player.

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Hey All,

I started this thread and it is amazing to see how many of you have looked at or bought the Palsonic .. I'm still very happy with the unit but the only problem that I have is the Remote Control ... Lately and intermitently I am unable to turn the unit on/off or choose an input, even though the LED flashes to show signal nothing happens .. I found if I get off my arse (Like they did in the old days so my parents tell me) and push the on/off main button .. Turn the TV off and then back on again it all works fine ... Has anyone else experienced these problems?

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I'm not experiencing any remote problems, but I cannot get the HD inputs to function correctly for the aspect ratio. I tried changing the TV type in my DVD player to normal/PS or LB from 16:9, and nothing changes. Am I missing something obvious. I noticed changing this on any of my WS TV's and DVD players did nothing, only the aspect button on the TV remote seems to do anything. How are you all viewing 4:3 through the HD inputs, either VGA or component?? This is very frustrating as I have gone back to the normal DVD inputs (component and change the aspect via button on TV remote), so see no benefit in having a HD set. Is the TV faulty or am I just a little slow??

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No I did not have any problem with the remote yet.

I would contact Palsonic for that, as sounds a bit tricky.

(It maybe sounds stupid but) swap the batteries with a new set just in case.

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I have connected the main antenna first to my VCR then out, and in to the STB

then out ,and in to TV .So to be able to record analogue signal wile I am watching HD TV at the same time ,or recording a program when everything else is OFF. I have not noticed any drop in PQ in that way.

My questions: Is this the common way to set it up? Or I am missing something?

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It is annoying (minor) that the YPbPr inputs do not accept as well 576i. You are always only in progressive wide screen.

If I want to see something older (like Faulty Towers) 4:3 ,I get the image stretched to 16:9 so you have a drop in resolution, and Manuel looks even shorter!! Trying to change that on my DVD player, nothing happens. Still wide screen, even if the DVD(sony 730P) menu says letter box 4:3...... Other DVD players can change the aspect !!

So I change the inputs to YCpCr .for the 4:3 ones.

Not a big problem since most DVD material is wide screen.

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I have seen many HD TVs lately and I must say that the Sony and the Palsonic have the BEST PQ . I was a bit disappointed with the new Panasonic

Fine Pitch TX-76PW200A ,PQ is like the 150a. To me the Palsonic looks a lot

Better. (Have not seen the Samsung WS76A10 on HD or DVD yet)

niko

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