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Been going through the Gieseler DAC threads to dig up owners’ reviews & impressions over the past 2 years.  Together, they provided an impressive picture of how well Clay has made his DACs and has lead me to consider  purchase the upcoming Groß DAC with balanced outputs.   

 

Groß Reviews & Impressions

illbarto 18 Sep 17 compared with Klein II

Snoopy8  5 Oct 17 compared with Audiolab 8200CDQ

BAM 6 Oct 17 compared with PSAudio Directstream

bhobba 28 Nov 1722 Jan 18 compared with PSAudio Directstream

Ancientflatulence 15 Dec 17

Suopermanni 23 Dec 17 compared with Gungnir Multibit

Bill125812 18 Jan 18 compared with PS audio Nu Wave

scumbag  18 Jan 18 compared with PS Audio Direct Stream jnr

 

Konverter Reviews & Impressions

(Has pre-amp as well)

~Spyne~ 29 Apr 17

 Woadl 13 Jun 17 compared with Auralic Vega

 

Klein II Reviews & Impressions

 Andrewyuri 1 May 16 compared with Klein

 Jonny 31 Jul 16 compared with Antelope Gold

 

Klein Reviews & Impressions

 GPK 17 Jun 15

 Bill125812 28 Jun 15 compared with NAD M51

 naggots  29 Jun 15

 rambada 7 Aug 15

 matt200sr 10 Aug 15

 naggots 21 Sep 15 on SE version

 scumbag 16 Oct 15 compared with MyDac

 joz 29 Oct 15

 pete_mac 5 Nov 15 compared with audio-gd DAC16DSP

 pop9745 25 Nov 15 compared with Chord Hugo, Resonessence Labs Concero HD, and Ifi

 betocool 1 Dec 15

 woadl 1 Dec 15

 andrewyuri 13 Apr 16 compared with Arcam irDac, Nad M51 

Jventer 15 May 16 compared with PSAudio Directstream

 NcA 27 May 16

 Tellmidd 16 Jul 16

 Powerav 15 Oct 16

 Zypr 16 Jan 17

 

Please post if corrections, additions required…

Edited by Snoopy8
Added additional Konverter, Groß reviews, updated title, typos

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Hi Guys

 

Did one early on against the Killer DAC which is much much more expensive.

 

Considering the price difference everyone was impressed with how close it was.  Later it was at a comparison with the Killer and PS Audio Direct stream.  Same result - shocking how close it was and the price difference - you went - how is that possible.

 

But Clay's later DAC's like the Konverter and a new one he has mentioned on this forum he is working on is the natural choice to compare to these much more expensive DAC's.   I have done that one with the Konverter - well I wouldn't like to make the choice.  You have to hear all three to decide.  I have a Killler, a Direct Stream an may just have to get Clays new DAC.

 

Thanks

Bill

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22 hours ago, bhobba said:

Hi Guys

 

Did one early on against the Killer DAC which is much much more expensive.

 

Considering the price difference everyone was impressed with how close it was.  Later it was at a comparison with the Killer and PS Audio Direct stream.  Same result - shocking how close it was and the price difference - you went - how is that possible.

 

But Clay's later DAC's like the Konverter and a new one he has mentioned on this forum he is working on is the natural choice to compare to these much more expensive DAC's.   I have done that one with the Konverter - well I wouldn't like to make the choice.  You have to hear all three to decide.  I have a Killler, a Direct Stream an may just have to get Clays new DAC.

 

Thanks

Bill

I did see your comments in the threads but wasn't sure whether to include it in the links. :sorry:

 

Looking forward to seeing your review of the new DAC when it comes out.  Hopefully Clay will update us soon on an approximate timeline.

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Hi guys & thanks for all the positive comments.

The new DAC only is extreamly close now.

I actually took a prototype version to Lenehan Audio last week which we had a good listen to via some Lenehan ML5 references.

I must admit I get a bit nervous when trying out one of my new products at Mikes as he always gives an honest (& ruthless) opinion & past experiences have not always had a good outcome.

Well the prototype passed with flying colours which was a great relief! I was about to order  $1k plus worth of transformers from Jensen so I just wanted to be certain the new DAC was right up there sound wise. It definitely was!

The bonus is that although this is just a straight DAC we have managed to include variable output level (on remote) by using the AK4497's  internal level antenuator. This is done in digital form so you are throwing bits away with lower volume settings but fortunately due to the AKM's 32 bit architecture & as long as you are not listening to very low levels it shouldn't be a problem. 

Bottom line is the new DAC will drive a power amp directly so perfect for a nice simple set up & this is how we tested it at Mikes.

Max output level is 1.8 v rms but this seems fine on the three different power amps I have tested it with so far.

I'm working on the final board layout at the moment so hopefully I will be ordering the pcb's in about a week.

As the finished product is very close I will start a new product release thread shortly with lots more info & details.

 

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Hi Clay.  Sounds like you're gonna be busy when the new DAC's ready!!  Silly question, but is it recommended to use one of your power supplies with your Konverter/new DAC, or is this already covered with the design? 

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Hi Mat,

All my designs have multiply low noise internal PSU's & run off external transformers so require AC input only.

So the answer to your question is - No 

None of my PSU's would be suitable as they are all DC output.

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Updated with latest reviews and impressions.  Please post if corrections, additions required...

 

Have updated title; not every one is an owner and some posts are short impressions.

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