Snoopy8 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) Been going through the Gieseler DAC threads to dig up owners’ reviews & impressions over the past 2 few years. Together, they provided an impressive picture of how well Clay has made his DACs and has lead me to consider purchase the upcoming Groß DAC with balanced outputs. Kompakt Reviews & Impressions lenticularis 23 Sep 20, 29 Nov 20 compared with Klein III herbs 24 Sep 20 franky995 24 Sep 20 compared with Gross naggots 25 Sep 20 pete_mac 20 Oct 20 John0001 10 Nov 20 ray4410 24 Nov 20 compared with Denafrips Ares II Fein II Reviews & Impressions helland 28 Mar 19 RussB 14 Apr 19 compared with Gross with gold tuned PSU Snoopy8 14 Apr 19 compared with Gross with gold tuned PSU Galatic Soap 30 Jul 19 compared with Chord Hugo TT2 + BluMk2 Max Headroom 30 Jul 19 compared with Chord Hugo TT2 + MScaler andrewyuri 2 Aug 19 compared with Chord 2Qute Steve M 8 Aug 19 compared with Holo Audio Spring Level 3, MF Trivista 21, NuForce Reference, Topping D10 Suopermanni 12 Sep 19 compared with Topping D70 Pete Gardner 16 Jan 20 compared with Klein III Scott Daniel 6 Jun 20 Klein III Reviews & Impressions pnes_nv 20 Oct 18 compared with Arcam irDac II pete_mac 10 Nov 18 compared with Klein DrSK 11 Dec 18 compared with Oppo 205 Snrub 8 Mar 19 compared with Audiolab M-Dac lenticularis 4 Sep 19 compared with Modi 3 pete_mac 24 Sep 19 compared with Audio-GDPCM1704UK bjs 30 Oct 2019 compared with Musical Fidelity M1 Dac, 14 Nov 19 compared with Chord Mojo krappo 26 Feb 20 Groß (Gross) Reviews & Impressions illbarto 18 Sep 17 compared with Klein II Snoopy8 5 Oct 17 compared with Audiolab 8200CDQ, 13 May 18, compared with Chord 2Qute, PS Audio Direct Stream jnr BAM 6 Oct 17 compared with PSAudio Directstream bhobba 28 Nov 17, 22 Jan 18 compared with PSAudio Directstream Ancientflatulence 15 Dec 17 Suopermanni 23 Dec 17 compared with Gungnir Multibit Bill125812 18 Jan 18 compared with PS Audio Nu Wave scumbag 18 Jan 18 compared with PS Audio Direct Stream jnr RussB 23 Feb 18, 8 Apr 18 compared with Klein, Chord Qutest Mattw 4 Mar 18 6 Mar 18 14 Mar 18 compared with Starting Point Systems DAC3 Mike13 6 Mar 13 compared with Chord 2Qute, 13 May 18 compared with Chord 2Qute, PS Audio Direct Stream jnr Francisco 8 Mar 18 Stereophilus 11 Mar 18 compared with Mola Mola Makua, PSAudio Directstream, Chord DAVE Assisi 11 Mar 18 compared with Mola Mola Makua Rosco8 24 Mar 18 compared with Cayin (Valve/SS), ARCAM-II DAC II Bunno77 26 Mar 18 compared with Geek Pulse S Infinity Rawl99 2 Apr 18 compared with Killer rmpfyf 2 Apr 18 compared with Killer Conch 16 Apr 18 compared with Klein II, Chord 2qute, Accuphase Dac50 Max Headroom 10 May 18, 13 May 18 compared with Chord 2Qute, PS Audio Direct Stream jnr buddyev 31 Oct 18 compared with Topping D50 lemarguis 10 Jul 19 compared with Klein II Pkay 23 Jul 19 compared with Chord Qutest + Mscaler noisuf 23 Oct 20 compared with Denafrips Ares II Konverter Reviews & Impressions ~Spyne~ 29 Apr 17 Woadl 13 Jun 17 compared with Auralic Vega Klein II Reviews & Impressions Andrewyuri 1 May 16 compared with Klein Jonny 31 Jul 16 compared with Antelope Gold Klein Reviews & Impressions GPK 17 Jun 15 Bill125812 28 Jun 15 compared with NAD M51 naggots 29 Jun 15 rambada 7 Aug 15 matt200sr 10 Aug 15 naggots 21 Sep 15 on SE version scumbag 16 Oct 15 compared with MyDac joz 29 Oct 15 pete_mac 5 Nov 15 compared with audio-gd DAC16DSP pop9745 25 Nov 15 compared with Chord Hugo, Resonessence Labs Concero HD, and Ifi betocool 1 Dec 15 woadl 1 Dec 15 andrewyuri 13 Apr 16 compared with Arcam irDac, Nad M51 Jventer 15 May 16 compared with PSAudio Directstream NcA 27 May 16 Tellmidd 16 Jul 16 Powerav 15 Oct 16 Zypr 16 Jan 17 Terry0 11 Mar 18 compared with Oppo 205, Bluesound Node2 Please post if corrections, additions required… p/s no association with Gieseler Audio. Edited December 1, 2020 by Snoopy8 Added latest reviews, updated title, typos, added Klein III, Fein II, Kompakt 12 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naggots Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Still have the SE version ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhobba Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Hi Guys Did one early on against the Killer DAC which is much much more expensive. Considering the price difference everyone was impressed with how close it was. Later it was at a comparison with the Killer and PS Audio Direct stream. Same result - shocking how close it was and the price difference - you went - how is that possible. But Clay's later DAC's like the Konverter and a new one he has mentioned on this forum he is working on is the natural choice to compare to these much more expensive DAC's. I have done that one with the Konverter - well I wouldn't like to make the choice. You have to hear all three to decide. I have a Killler, a Direct Stream an may just have to get Clays new DAC. Thanks Bill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy8 Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 22 hours ago, bhobba said: Hi Guys Did one early on against the Killer DAC which is much much more expensive. Considering the price difference everyone was impressed with how close it was. Later it was at a comparison with the Killer and PS Audio Direct stream. Same result - shocking how close it was and the price difference - you went - how is that possible. But Clay's later DAC's like the Konverter and a new one he has mentioned on this forum he is working on is the natural choice to compare to these much more expensive DAC's. I have done that one with the Konverter - well I wouldn't like to make the choice. You have to hear all three to decide. I have a Killler, a Direct Stream an may just have to get Clays new DAC. Thanks Bill I did see your comments in the threads but wasn't sure whether to include it in the links. Looking forward to seeing your review of the new DAC when it comes out. Hopefully Clay will update us soon on an approximate timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gieseler Audio Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Hi guys & thanks for all the positive comments. The new DAC only is extreamly close now. I actually took a prototype version to Lenehan Audio last week which we had a good listen to via some Lenehan ML5 references. I must admit I get a bit nervous when trying out one of my new products at Mikes as he always gives an honest (& ruthless) opinion & past experiences have not always had a good outcome. Well the prototype passed with flying colours which was a great relief! I was about to order $1k plus worth of transformers from Jensen so I just wanted to be certain the new DAC was right up there sound wise. It definitely was! The bonus is that although this is just a straight DAC we have managed to include variable output level (on remote) by using the AK4497's internal level antenuator. This is done in digital form so you are throwing bits away with lower volume settings but fortunately due to the AKM's 32 bit architecture & as long as you are not listening to very low levels it shouldn't be a problem. Bottom line is the new DAC will drive a power amp directly so perfect for a nice simple set up & this is how we tested it at Mikes. Max output level is 1.8 v rms but this seems fine on the three different power amps I have tested it with so far. I'm working on the final board layout at the moment so hopefully I will be ordering the pcb's in about a week. As the finished product is very close I will start a new product release thread shortly with lots more info & details. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat-with-one-t Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Hi Clay. Sounds like you're gonna be busy when the new DAC's ready!! Silly question, but is it recommended to use one of your power supplies with your Konverter/new DAC, or is this already covered with the design? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gieseler Audio Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) Hi Mat, All my designs have multiply low noise internal PSU's & run off external transformers so require AC input only. So the answer to your question is - No None of my PSU's would be suitable as they are all DC output. Edited September 9, 2017 by Gieseler Audio Grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat-with-one-t Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Makes sense thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy8 Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 Updated with latest reviews and impressions. Please post if corrections, additions required... Have updated title; not every one is an owner and some posts are short impressions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sime Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 @Snoopy8 excellent thread Snoops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy8 Posted March 13, 2018 Author Share Posted March 13, 2018 In case anyone missed it, MattyW's review of the Groß below. Have updated first post of this thread with all the latest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunno77 Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Hi everyone, I apologise for the messines but at the same time I would like to thank Richard @Suopermanni for bringing his Grob over today for a listening session. We compared the Grob to my Geek Pulse. The Geek did have an unfair advantage in that it was being fed by a Microrendu and the Grob direct from a PC. We both listened for about 2 hours and in every song the Grob won out. Kinda the usual stuff, it was more relaxed while still presenting an extemely full representation. It bettered the Geek in bass control, impact and detail. The highs also showed a little more detail. I don't know what happened to the mids but on male vocals they weren't as pronounced. This may be a more even display but I am not sure. The Grob was certainly better in all regards apart from mid forwardness but as stated that may be a truer representation. A beautiful DAC and as has been stated before most likely is better than the PS audio DSD. A real credit to Gieseler and especially at this price point. Thanks again to Richard for bringing it over 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tastimp Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 @Bunno77 Very interested in this comparison. Which version of the Geek do you have? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunno77 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 I have the Geek Pulse S Infinity which I believe is the top model with the lps1. I was also using it with a microrendu with its lps1 which is a big step up from using a pc. So just from that the Grob was at a disadvantage but it sounded better in all but the mids but maybe that means it is more balanced? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tastimp Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I have the Geek Pulse S Infinity which I believe is the top model with the lps1. I was also using it with a microrendu with its lps1 which is a big step up from using a pc. So just from that the Grob was at a disadvantage but it sounded better in all but the mids but maybe that means it is more balanced? Great, thanks. Mine is further down the range than yours. I have the Pulse Fi with a 12v PSU from Clay, fed by SOTM SMS200/Regen so our set ups are not dissimilar. If the Grob betters yours fed by PC, it will be more so with mine I imagine. Thanks for the info. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunno77 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Great, thanks. Mine is further down the range than yours. I have the Pulse Fi with a 12v PSU from Clay, fed by SOTM SMS200/Regen so our set ups are not dissimilar. If the Grob betters yours fed by PC, it will be more so with mine I imagine. Thanks for the info.Yep, will be a bigger margin for sure. The Lh Labs LPS also has the benefit of the USB signal being fed to it not the DAC itself. It strips the 5v USB power so removes the noise on the line.Makes the Grob even more impressive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sime Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 If the Groß showed sampling rates on coax or optical instead of just usb, I’d consider it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cox11 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Hi guys, looking to add a streamer to my system and curious if anyone compared the sq of a klein 2/sms200 combo to a cambridge cxn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naggots Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 On 03/09/2018 at 8:14 PM, cox11 said: Hi guys, looking to add a streamer to my system and curious if anyone compared the sq of a klein 2/sms200 combo to a cambridge cxn? I have a friend with a CXNV2 and a Klein SE. The CXN can either digital output to the Klein or via its own dac. He streams Spotify and accesses a NAS with the CXN. Theres no comparison between the Klein SE and CXN sound wise. The Klein SE is superb. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cox11 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 I have a friend with a CXNV2 and a Klein SE. The CXN can either digital output to the Klein or via its own dac. He streams Spotify and accesses a NAS with the CXN. Theres no comparison between the Klein SE and CXN sound wise. The Klein SE is superb. Thanks naggots Although a little more complex, it seems like the klein/sms200 combo is a no brainer at the price point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naggots Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 The CXN is quite slick to use but by the time you log into Spotify connect or search through the music on the NAS it’s almost as easy to use a PC/Mac from your phone. I’ve not used a sms200. The Klein SE is far superior in any case, it’s using the coax input. Clay says it sounds best with USB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Fi Whipped Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 On 04/09/2018 at 10:07 PM, naggots said: I have a friend with a CXNV2 and a Klein SE. The CXN can either digital output to the Klein or via its own dac. He streams Spotify and accesses a NAS with the CXN. Theres no comparison between the Klein SE and CXN sound wise. The Klein SE is superb. I have an SE being built at the moment, can’t wait to hear it. Having owned a Klein 1 and loved it, can only imagine I’m in for a real treat! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naggots Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 I had a PDXL2 then Klein 1 then the SE for a couple years. The SE was the best. I now have a Gross which is better (Femto Upgrade next) I sold the SE to my friend with the CXN after he tried it, liked it didn’t want to give it back....... I then bought the Gross......wouldn’t of sold the SE otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill125812 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Totally agree. All of Clay’s Dacs are great. But the GroB is just fantastic. I’ve put it up against so many other dacs now, and have never been disappointed. For the money almost unbeatable 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Fi Whipped Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Well I will be the lucky owner of a souped up Klein SE next week, the word from Clay is that this one is “the best Klein he has ever heard/built”! It’s benefitting from some improved componentry since he made them in mass. As a previous Klein 1 owner I’ll be sure to report back with some feedback in a week or so. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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