Snoopy8 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, zydeco said: We watch 1 to 2 movies a week (including a weekly family movie night) but don't do multi-channel music. Would you recommend decent, directional, ceilings or small, movable, surrounds given this use case? From an audio quality perspective, movable surrounds but can be a PITA after a while! Directional ceilings are easier, more WAF friendly. Given frequency of movies, ceiling. You need to search, ask around how it impacts Atmos setup though.. Edited December 22, 2018 by Snoopy8 Typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy8 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 One more thing to add. In my previous setup, having Anthem Room Correction postponed my desire to upgrade my rear satellite speakers for a few years. It made a difference. Dirac Live will partially compensate for the compromised rear speakers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy8 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 There is some cross over between this topic Based on above, having rear ceiling directional speakers will not work with normal ceiling speakers for Atmos. @betty boop (I like Al better!), please read previous few posts and comment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 7 hours ago, Snoopy8 said: There is some cross over between this topic Based on above, having rear ceiling directional speakers will not work with normal ceiling speakers for Atmos. @betty boop (I like Al better!), please read previous few posts and comment... hi snoopy, cant see the op doing heights speakers unless can do bed surrounds that leave a height differential, in the other topic arjo appears to want to do bed surrounds so better chance of achieving height surrounds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 19 hours ago, Snoopy8 said: One more thing to add. In my previous setup, having Anthem Room Correction postponed my desire to upgrade my rear satellite speakers for a few years. It made a difference. Dirac Live will partially compensate for the compromised rear speakers... Thanks. Any recommendation as to good ceiling speakers? My local dealer has Martin Logan EM-R which have a tweeter aimed at the listening position but don't appear to have an enclosure (although I'm not sure if this is an issue but our roof space is quite large). 1 hour ago, betty boop said: hi snoopy, cant see the op doing heights speakers unless can do bed surrounds that leave a height differential, in the other topic arjo appears to want to do bed surrounds so better chance of achieving height surrounds Yes, that was what I'd understood from the earlier post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Back boxes are important in my opinion. Sonically and you don’t want what not inhabiting your speaker, collecting dust and carp etc. buy speakers with back boxes or if not dynamat dynaboxes are superb like conventional enclosures. A must do do in my opinion 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy8 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 2 hours ago, zydeco said: Thanks. Any recommendation as to good ceiling speakers? My local dealer has Martin Logan EM-R which have a tweeter aimed at the listening position but don't appear to have an enclosure (although I'm not sure if this is an issue but our roof space is quite large). Ideally, ceiling speakers should be timbre matched (sounds the same) as the front speakers. Easiest is same brand,, and they can suggest matching ones. But you can get away with it using other brands. I have Monitor Audio rears (Apex A10 for WAF) and so will be using MA matched ceiling speakers (not yet into Atmos). There is debate over enclosures and impact on sound. If worried, can add your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwt Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Zydeco; speaker designers match enclosure size with the type of driver used as that helps give the precise frequency extension they want ; a variable open space not so much imho . And if a possum or worse decides to chew the wiring .. whats that char grilled odour ? ; why am I suddenly hungry sorry went a bit far lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted December 23, 2018 Author Share Posted December 23, 2018 Zydeco; speaker designers match enclosure size with the type of driver used as that helps give the precise frequency extension they want ; a variable open space not so much imho . And if a possum or worse decides to chew the wiring .. whats that char grilled odour ? ; why am I suddenly hungry [emoji16]sorry went a bit far lol..So something like https://www.triadspeakers.com/products/home-cinema/ic-silver6-monitor/ or https://www.digitalcinema.com.au/psb-c-lcr-2-way-in-ceiling-speaker.html or https://www.digitalcinema.com.au/psb-c-sur-2-way-in-ceiling-surround-speaker.html (the last of which seems to useable for both side and rear channels?). Any recommendations as to excellent in-ceilings would be much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 given you dont actually have anything can match up with I would go something from the krix range, https://www.krix.com.au/in-ceiling/ good quality, well made and not priced over the top ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewantsmoore Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 6 hours ago, betty boop said: good quality, well made and not priced over the top ! ... and Australian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwt Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 8 hours ago, zydeco said: So something like https://www.triadspeakers.com/products/home-cinema/ic-silver6-monitor/ or https://www.digitalcinema.com.au/psb-c-lcr-2-way-in-ceiling-speaker.html or https://www.digitalcinema.com.au/psb-c-sur-2-way-in-ceiling-surround-speaker.html (the last of which seems to useable for both side and rear channels?). Any recommendations as to excellent in-ceilings would be much appreciated. Ime very happy with my Krix A20'S "Quality cast aluminium basket for rigidity'' is very important ; check to see its not cheap pressed metal . Just to look at the specs for the psb's freq response ; 65-23,000Hz compared to the Krix A20's or stratospherix 45Hz-20kHz ; you can appreciate the driver used and its powerful magnet assembly .. Krix has decades of experience with cinema fit outs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zydeco Posted December 25, 2018 Author Share Posted December 25, 2018 On 13/09/2017 at 12:47 PM, betty boop said: if just planning to sit in the one spot dead central could get away without a centre. however depends how critical you are, i for one really value the centre due to the discrete mixes we get these days and how all discrete speakers work in to create the sound field. something thats a bit amiss when you go phantom speakers and what you have has to literally fill in the gaps. e.g. you can run a 5.1 setup but it isn't like having a 7.1 setup with real rear speakers . but that said answering your speaker location situation without seeing pics or sketch, i would rather go the side surrounds as bi-poles than just some rears trying to work as side surrounds So, as a precursor, there's a lot of potential change with, now, an AVR so I'm re-looking at a centre channel to anchor voice for off-axis listeners (noting that right now vocals are good with the L/R stereo speakers at the main listening position). The practical situation, though, would be that if I got a centre channel then a) the speaker won't be identical to the L/R speakers or even from a matching set, b) speaker will need to sit on the A/V cabinet beneath the TV and c) high of tweeter will be below that of the L/R speakers. (The other aspect is that if I don't use a centre then the extra space means that it's possible to get the tweeters of the L/R speakers aligned with the middle of the TV screen) . So, then, I'm wondering, then, if it's likely to be a fruitful path given these constraints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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