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Well after years of trying  all sorts of MC cartridges, I decided to take a punt and buy a Moving Iron cartridge. 

 

My ears are overly sensitive to ringing and brightness and no matter what MC I owned, purchased, demoed or heard, I could never get past a subtle thinness and brightness I always seems to detect. 

 

A few few weeks a bought a Grado Statement Reference V2 MI cartridge. 

 

The minute I installed it I was grinning. 

 

Brightness - gone

Sibilance - gone

Thinness - this cartridge has balls 

 

I have been instantly converted. 

 

Some 50 hrs later and I would describe this cartridge as highly analogue sounding with a density that MC can't match. 

 

Just wanted to share my experience as it has taken me by surprise as I was a "only MC cartridges sound good" guy. 

 

So any SNA'rs tired of trying to get MC synergy , I can strongly recommend giving an MI a try.  

 

 

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Yep and I was very surprised when I installed a Pickering XV15.

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funny I have been thinking of getting a mm cart too,the clearaudio v2 sounds real nice too,on paper

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Used to run a Grado sonata in my Syrinx Pu3 arm,match made in heaven.

 

Cheers.

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13 minutes ago, colinm1 said:

funny I have been thinking of getting a mm cart too,the clearaudio v2 sounds real nice too,on paper

 

I think you need to read more carefully.  :P  The OP is talking about a Moving Iron (MI) cart - not an 'ordinary' MM.

 

40 minutes ago, hugo_wilco said:

A few few weeks a bought a Grado Statement Reference V2 MI cartridge. 

 

The minute I installed it I was grinning. 

 

Brightness - gone

Sibilance - gone

Thinness - this cartridge has balls 

 

I have been instantly converted. 

 

Some 50 hrs later and I would describe this cartridge as highly analogue sounding with a density that MC can't match. 

 

Just wanted to share my experience as it has taken me by surprise as I was a "only MC cartridges sound good" guy. 

 

So any SNA'rs tired of trying to get MC synergy , I can strongly recommend giving an MI a try.  

 

 

The 'Statement' is the LO version, right?  So 0.5mV?

 

Well done!  :thumb:

 

Andy

 

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The 'Statement' is the LO version, right?  So 0.5mV?
 
Well done!  :thumb:
 
Andy
 



That's right. It's a MI the Version 2 low output. 1.0mv now.



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I am a 4 x Moving Irion (MI) cartridge owner 

Some require an MM phono and some require an MC phono 

Now my secret is out 

 

 

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MI is really the same design as MM. It has iron on the end of the cantilever instead of magnet. In both cases the cantilever movement generates lines of magnetic flux which pass through the coils generating a voltage. 

 

From reading on the internet ( which may be wrong?) The MI design was chosen to avoid infringing Shures patent on MM design. 

 

 

 

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As you can see in my sig below I have a SoundSmith MI cart mounted on my Pink Triangle in my second system. It has similar character to my Strain Gauge but without the resolution. Apart from the SG it's the best cart I've had since my Garrott Bros Decca. Very underrated

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15 hours ago, hugo_wilco said:

 

A few few weeks a bought a Grado Statement Reference V2 MI cartridge. 

 

 

I am confused by which cartridge you have.

I looked at the Grado web site and they have "Statement" carts and "Reference" carts but I cannot find "Statement Reference".

 

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Grado are really confusing.

There is a "Statement" series and a "Reference" Series.

If you look at the Statement series there is the Top range Statement V2 low output MI.
Next in line is the Statement "Reference" V2 low output MI which I have purchased.

These are both 1mv low output MI cartridges.

The Reference series is 5mv

They really need to change their model line up.

It took me a while to work it out too.

Basically mine is the model below the top spec.


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I agree @hugo_wilco that is a confusing web site.

But I think I worked it out with your directions.

So yours is from the STATEMENT series but is the REFERENCE2 in that series.

Pretty dumb of them to use same names for series's and models within a series.

 

I started with a mid range Garrott Brothers P77i MM cart then went to Ortofon Rondo Bronze MC cart and now using the top model Garrott Optim FGS Ruby which is MM or Dynamic Coil as Garrott call it.

 

I returned to the MM because it just seemed meatier than the MC and so suited the type of sound I was looking for. Never heard of MI so thanks to @hugo_wilco I will consider trying an MI next time. :D

What price range was your cart?

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Yep. Really bad product line.
The should re-label the lines.
However, once you get your head around it the low output MI is something special.


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RRP $2000AUD but you'll get it for less than that.
I have had some pretty expensive MC cartridges over the years and this MI beats every single one, in every area.


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17 minutes ago, hugo_wilco said:

I have had some pretty expensive MC cartridges over the years and this MI beats every single one, in every area.

 

quite an endorsement.

what arm are you using with it? 

 

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Right now on the latest Linn Akito 3b.


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6 hours ago, rockpig said:

 

 

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4 hours ago, hugo_wilco said:


I have had some pretty expensive MC cartridges over the years and this MI beats every single one, in every area.
 

 

Given the specs which rockpig kindly provided say the standard MM 47K load, h_w ... you might like to try running it at 35K.  I read on the 'Net that wood-bodied Grados, at least, like this loading and, as I had a Reference Reference1 for a number of years (the top HO Grado MI), tried it - and felt that it did sound better at the lower load.  Maybe the LO Statement is the same?

 

Andy

 

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Using 47k sounds magnificent!


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23 hours ago, hugo_wilco said:

<snips>

Brightness - gone

Sibilance - gone

Thinness - this cartridge has balls 

 

That is precisely why I love my (remanufactured) Linn Troika.

 

Greg

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Would love to hear this cart one day. The best non MC cartridge I have ever heard was the aforementioned Garrott Optim FGS Ruby. Heck, even the cheaper Garrott Optim FGS is superb.

@hugo_wilco, interested to hear whether you might have used either of the two Garrotts mentioned?

 

And I'm very happy that you love your new toy. I've often championed a few different MM, MI or Dynamic Coil carts on these and other pages. Sadly a lot of folk don't rate anything not Moving Coil. :)

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Yep. I was one of "those" MC guys. You're welcome to come and have a listen.


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3 hours ago, hugo_wilco said:

 

Using 47k sounds magnificent!
 

 

Your attitude to life may be different to mine, h_w but, to me ... magnificent is fine ... but optimal is what I seek.  So if you have alignment sorted ... there's still:

  • VTA
  • VTF
  • azimuth, and
  • loading

... to optimise.  :D

 

Andy

 

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