Happy Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 If you like strong torque you gotta try a good idler Matty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyW Posted July 21, 2017 Author Share Posted July 21, 2017 I've only tried a Dual idler which was nice. The big limitation with the Duals is the tonearm though. Having said that, I think I'm done with new tables nowSent from my Redmi Pro using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyW Posted July 22, 2017 Author Share Posted July 22, 2017 Ok, picked up the Aldebaran from Geoff this morning and the first LP I put on was Roxette's Look Sharp, a pressing from Germany so pretty decent. I'm absolutely gobsmacked by the sound I'm getting. With the Hana EL on the FR-14 arm soundstage wide and deep, insanely dynamic and with bass that I simply didn't know turntables could provide. This exceeds what I've heard from the few idler drive tables I've heard and by no small margin.... Needless to say there absolutely no comparison between this and my JVC TT-71 either. Actually, I'm lost for words. I've never heard music like this non stop. Actually until now I though that my digital setup was approaching vinyl playback...... I daresay that will still be true, provided I rip my LP collection and play back over it. Insane! This table was definitely worth the time and effort. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gmdb Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Glad you have it set-up Matt. It was a pleasure to work on. I'm developing a real fondness for these Hana carts. On this arm and turntable, the Hana has revealed a stunning level of detail and dynamics. And I was very surprised by just how much this turntable contributed to the sound staging, not to mention the power of the bass response. It's very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyW Posted July 22, 2017 Author Share Posted July 22, 2017 Thankyou very much for the set up on this Geoff. I'd not have been able to get this working this beautifully myself. I spent a good portion of today listening to it. This is definitely my final table. I don't see that this table could be improved upon. It's output is nothing short of breathtaking. [emoji4] I still don't know why they don't damp the motor cavity stock as it's so easy to do. If that is taken care of S.A.M really do have a world class product on their hands. There's absolutely no way these will remain at this price point. If anyone is looking for a spectacular sounding table without it costing an arm and a leg, I can highly recommend the S.A.M Aldebaran Sent from my Redmi Pro using Tapatalk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gmdb Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 @MattyW I found this interesting. I set-up my Acoustic Research XA today with the Audio Origami PU7 and an Empire 2000Z cart. It sounded surprisingly like the Ortofon SPU on the Aldebaran. Incredibly smooth. So vintage cart plus modern tonearm plus vintage turntable sounds like vintage cart plus vintage tonearm plus modern turntable. I may need to pick up a Hana for this new set-up and see if it can do the same dynamics it was doing with the Aldebaran. But there's a few other cartridges in the collection to try first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Point source Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Anyone in Vic have one of these ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyW Posted July 23, 2017 Author Share Posted July 23, 2017 It will make for an interesting experiment Geoff. I've never tried an arm newer than from the 80's except the Calista II Sent from my Redmi Pro using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil c Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 Be a pioneer - plus I want to hear one, am intrigued if it's a step up from my current deck! [emoji2] Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyW Posted July 23, 2017 Author Share Posted July 23, 2017 If you're in Brisbane I'm very happy to demo. This is my final table..... Along with my JVC TT-71 Sent from my Redmi Pro using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Point source Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 15 minutes ago, evil c said: Be a pioneer - plus I want to hear one, am intrigued if it's a step up from my current deck! Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk Hmmmm i don't mind being a pioneer as long as due diligence has been made.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil c Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 19 minutes ago, MattyW said: If you're in Brisbane I'm very happy to demo. This is my final table..... Along with my JVC TT-71 Sent from my Redmi Pro using Tapatalk Regrettably both Brian and I live in the bowels of Australia (Vic) but appreciate the offer ! 3 minutes ago, Point source said: Hmmmm i don't mind being a pioneer as long as due diligence has been made.. Bah , said like a true over conservative flat earth Maggie's owner! :rollseyes Just take a punt and rely on the word of your fellow enlightened SNA member, I did with my "magic' Wand tonearm and no regrets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyW Posted July 23, 2017 Author Share Posted July 23, 2017 I'll see if I can record some samples.... If you don't mind hearing Eric Clapton Unplugged or David Brubeck's Jazz Impressions of Japan. You'll need a pretty decent DAC to do the samples justice though. S.M.S.L. M8 for entry...... Through a Gustard DAC-X12 I can't hear the difference between LP and ripped copy. Best I can do. Sent from my Redmi Pro using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Point source Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 16 minutes ago, evil c said: Regrettably both Brian and I live in the bowels of Australia (Vic) but appreciate the offer ! Bah , said like a true over conservative flat earth Maggie's owner! :rollseyes Just take a punt and rely on the word of your fellow enlightened SNA member, I did with my "magic' Wand tonearm and no regrets. Perhaps I should add that S.A.M 's website not the eBay site has a very nice pair of MG20's on it. Long Live the flat panel woohoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyW Posted July 23, 2017 Author Share Posted July 23, 2017 I'd like to hear some maggies someday.... Can't Record that for a comparison though unfortunately.... Only sources.Sent from my Redmi Pro using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil c Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Point source said: Perhaps I should add that S.A.M 's website not the eBay site has a very nice pair of MG20's on it. Long Live the flat panel woohoo Great - like a brown floatie in a pool , suddenly lost my appetite ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Point source Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 23 minutes ago, evil c said: Great - like a brown floatie in a pool , suddenly lost my appetite ! Typical - although Clive has an uncanny habit of picking a good red to drink ahem in moderation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil c Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Point source said: Typical - although Clive has an uncanny habit of picking a good red to drink ahem in moderation. Ha ha - good backhanded compliment, a discerning drunk! Seriously @MattyW - my major concern is the speed stability, I know the large mass of the platter etc. helps in this regard but wondering if there's any opportunity to have electronic stabilization / control like I have with my Hercules? Edited July 23, 2017 by evil c 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyW Posted July 23, 2017 Author Share Posted July 23, 2017 I honestly don't know..... It uses a power brick so I guess it's a DC motor rather than AC. I wasn't too concerned other than how the table performs. I considered a speed box when I had my Ariston RD110 SL though the sound was so pleasant that I never bothered with it.... I won't worry about one for this table either. It's simply unnecessary. The only issue with these tables is motor noise, and that turned out surprisingly easy to overcome. The tables torque is also incredible. I suspect that has something to do with its incredible bass, slam and dynamics. Interestingly it's also the quietest table I've had in terms of hum. With my EAR 834P on full gain there is no hum. Not at listening levels.... Then again, the Hana EL is double the output of what I was running on my last system. I guess you could contact Ivan at S.A.M. He's a really helpful guy. Sent from my Redmi Pro using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevoz Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 @MattyW Stunning looking table and overall set up Matt! Enjoy, which you are. Indeed, if I'm ever up north........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyW Posted July 23, 2017 Author Share Posted July 23, 2017 You're welcome to drop by for a listen. I can usually make time every second weekend Sent from my Redmi Pro using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_mike Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 I think a few of you guys need to organise a road trip. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryO Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) We are soon moving up to the Gold Coast for work, so hope to catch up some time soon Matty. cheers Terry Edited July 26, 2017 by TerryO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyW Posted July 26, 2017 Author Share Posted July 26, 2017 I've just yesterday swapped the Oldchen SEP amp for a Khozmo preamp and Red Wine Audio Signature 70.2 monoblocks.... Needs some burn in on the preamp to sound it's best I think.... Otherwise I may revert back to that sweet sounding little Oldchen amp We'll want to arrange the listening session on a weekend while my wife is at work. She doesn't much like such things Sent from my Redmi Pro using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 RW is sorta renowned for "neutral" sound. You may find them somewhat clinical Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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