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Toyota C-HR - World's Ugliest Car?

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13 hours ago, Atjan said:


You need the space for the food and water you have to carry in case the mechanicals gives in on a back road. emoji12.png

Don't get me started on the Froggy cars: Spares? Sure, will be here in June. 3 Months?! 15, actually....

Ha ha

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25 minutes ago, muzzagruzz said:

 

look at the options ... the honda probably the only. the suzuki sitting inside would give me a head ache a better option otherwise,

 

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the trax is not a great thing,

 

atleast with the c-hr they have picked up on the "form over function"

 

"Elsewhere, form wins over function. The rising sweep of the rear doors makes it trickier to get in and difficult to see out once there - a real issue for kids, especially those with weak stomachs and a love of strawberry milkshakes. Speaking of which, toddlers won't be able to reach those rear door handles, which are 1.4 metres off the ground.

 

There's also no seatback pockets or door pockets, with a cupholder and smaller binnacle for odds-and-ends, while grab handles are also missing.

Venture further aft and the theme continues with a high, shallow boot, which means you'll be relying on the split-fold seats more to accommodate chunky luggage. At least there are small corner binnacles."

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I like the comment that kids won't be able to reach the rear door handles. What??? Isn't this car designed for young families and shouldn't the little kiddlets be able to reach the handles to GET IN THE CAR!!!! LOL

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I like the comment that kids won't be able to reach the rear door handles. What??? Isn't this car designed for young families and shouldn't the little kiddlets be able to reach the handles to GET IN THE CAR!!!! LOL

Spoken like a true batchelor.

Wouldn't I have loved it if one of my 3 kids, as toddlers, were able to get into a car by themselves and strapped themselves in!
If you have kids, that's one of the great car related milestones, right up there with finally travelling without a nappy bag, losing the stroller and no longer having to stop every hour for a nappy change.

Come now chaps, complain about something that makes a difference!


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I thought Suzuki was Toyota. Makes sense to have a " funky" and a practical option for buyers.  As far as small SUVs go I like the look of the Yeti, original or current.  They sell less Yeti' s than French cars, which seems crazy.

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14 hours ago, Atjan said:

Come now chaps, complain about something that makes a difference!

 

well I think the point they have gone form over function is quite valid. and highlighted as well in the review. its no complaining. its a fact it is what it is. its no unusual for car makers to take this form over function route and  have listed examples from many makers, however toyota have pushed even further to the point of the ridiculous ...

 

3 minutes ago, Briz Vegas said:

 As far as small SUVs go I like the look of the Yeti, original or current.

 

a past colleague of mine had one. great thing indeed. but yeah its a skoda and for what ever reasons skoda dont get much love ! 

 

I'm surprised they didnt include the nissan juke in this compare...could have then fought it out as to which more worthy in the ugly stakes :D

 

no doubt this current phase of japanese styling appeals more to some than others .... hope its a phase they move on from at some stage. its not like they cant do good looking cars the toyota 86 a good example of styling that will take kindly to the years. rather than the fad looks we are tending to see now...

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Re the car fad thing.

 

I spent a bit of time at the Kangan automotive TAFE in Melbourne last week. Amazing facility! One thing that struck me though is how complicated cars have become from a system pov. Gone are the days that a mech would take a gearbox apart and fix it. They are now taught to identify a problem and then have a specialist sort it out.

This reminded me of computers, which very quickly jumped to the 'replace module' repair model. This of course leads to a much shortened economic life - it quickly becomes cheaper to simply replace the whole thing.

Perhaps we are seeing a bit of that type of thinking coming through in car design - one where cars are replaced much quicker. This opens the door to dropping 'timeless designs' for what is fashoinable at the time.

Not that that type of thinking is prevalent in Toyota, to the contrary, but to shake the 'boring Toyota' image, they have to get into the ring with others that are following that trend.

 

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1 hour ago, Briz Vegas said:

I thought Suzuki was Toyota. Makes sense to have a " funky" and a practical option for buyers.  As far as small SUVs go I like the look of the Yeti, original or current.  They sell less Yeti' s than French cars, which seems crazy.

I agree, the Yeti is a nice looking little thing. The original front end didn't really appeal but the new one does. Skoda are making some fabulous cars right now and if I were in the market, it would be on my list of makes to check out. 

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Cars are lasting longer these days. Rust in 3 years was once common.

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Pretty sure Honda are trying to beat Toyota to... well, I don't know, losing the will to live or something.

 

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My apologies for the image.

 

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Cars are lasting longer these days. Rust in 3 years was once common.

Some of them last longer. ;)
I work for a compay that has a really good view of that in the Australian market and I can make that statement with a high degree of certainty. The body lasts long because of great paint techniques. Mechanically many of them become uneconomical to repair surprisingly quickly.

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12 hours ago, Monk said:

Pretty sure Honda are trying to beat Toyota to... well, I don't know, losing the will to live or something.

 

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My apologies for the image.

 

It ain't pretty but not quite as butt ugly as the Toyota.  

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that honda looks very tame if anything its harking back to some cars they've done.

 

honda had their flagship nsx out at sundown apparently,

 

its a gorgeous car in the metal ! 

 

so they still have it when comes to styling but yeah some cars there doing does make you wonder. some of it is  the boy racer looks. its kinda ninja transformer or something. obviously a japanese youth thing. which i clearly dont get ! 

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12 hours ago, Atjan said:

Some of them last longer. ;)
I work for a compay that has a really good view of that in the Australian market and I can make that statement with a high degree of certainty. The body lasts long because of great paint techniques. Mechanically many of them become uneconomical to repair surprisingly quickly.

 

paint techniques even 20 years ago were a long departure from decades previous. with full dip processes :) gal bodies and such. so rust shouldnt be an issue.

 

mechanically and this is going back many years ago I remember talking to a designer and reliability guru for one of the majors... and his answer was ... they really only design them for the warranty period after that its good luck. however they have to severely over design for the warranty period given the extremes cars get thrown into. cars are somethings that get enormously wide and varying uses in wide and varying conditions. he told me how they would often be left scratching their head wondering how on earth something failed or what sort of condition/s even caused it. they never get to talk to drivers that cause these failures, feedback is rare and what they get rarely makes a lot of sense. hence the kind of extensive and rigorous testing cars go through. and why cars do go well past warranty. but its all on borrowed time.

 

i can see your argument though. you have to design for the moment. cant be deigning for the future as you will have cars in the future. that saiid car designs tend to be such long lead times ... takes years for an entire new model to come to fruition. so to some extent we are seeing styling from years ago...

 

hopefully the car makers can move on :sarc:

 

the "new" toyota camry is a reasonably sleek thing. I dont understand that big grill but otherwise a tad on the bland but something id suggest falling in the timeless category...

 

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c-hr and camry likely aiming at different market segments though.

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I call the current angular design theme the Transformers styling. Bits hanging out everywhere.

 

Anyone see the New Top Gear last night? New Ford GT

 

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