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2 hours ago, mello yello said:

There would be no Formula 1 without Ferrari

 

its Ferrari first, and then the rest come along for the ride

 

dont discount Sergio, if he believes Ross Brawn is selling the sport out, then thats the way he will jump

 

Poppyc**k, F1 would exist just fine - FWIW there'd be no Ferrari without F1 either, and that takes competitors, which Ferrari has become allergic to of late. They're hardly going to go race in another formula for now, and they have 1000+ staff and an entire division that'd have nothing to do. They can talk all they like about an alternate championship - happened many times before - getting one ratified, super license points provisioned, drivers, tracks booked and organised, insurance all done... is not trivial. And Sergio knows it. 

 

Unlike Di Montezemolo he'd happily pull Ferrari from F1, though he'd be an idiot for doing so. Also unlike Montezemolo, Marchionne doesn't want to change with the times. Doesn't want electrification, doesn't want modern powertrains, wants to go back to the good old days when Ferrari was winning and the cars were simpler. Do you know how much Ferrari pays for its F1 activities? Used to be zero, recently increased to not a lot. Their team budget is biggest and yet their corporate spend to that budget makes small teams look extravagant... they really don't like competition.

 

But that's not what's got Sergio. Currently Liberty wants to take the payment given only to Ferrari every year - 5% of F1 revenues (nearly USD$100M) - and redistribute it. Which is fair, IMHO - everyone else actually earns their prize money through this thing called racing we all turn up or tune in to see, and though whilst Ferrari isn't winning they're still getting more money from the promoters than any other team. Which doesn't exactly giv other teams a leg up to get competitive, which means the sport just isn't that interesting to watch anymore. Sergio still doesn't care. 

 

Sergio's s**t fit on this is around a year old and ongoing now. Liberty aren't budging. Why should they? Fans turn up to see racing - they'll get over an absence of red cars if it comes to that - why shouldn't the team that comes first get the most sponsorship money? Why Ferrari? Why should the last team get half what Ferrari gets just for showing up? How are they ever supposed to get better?

 

Sergio wants to have his cake and eat it too - he sees racing as pure marketing, and wants Ferrari to partake, win and not spend a cent without too much intervention. Bugger the fans and the little people. I hope someone calls his bluff. What happens next'll be fun to watch.

 

Nothing is forever, even Ferrari in F1.

 

Has nothing to do with Brawn either. He's doing an admirable job trying to save F1 from irrelevance.

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1 hour ago, mello yello said:

speculative at best, whereas my post was well informed, based on facts and right on the money

:lol::lol::lol:. Now I have to clean my keyboard, just spat my drink all over it.

 

Ferrari must want to deflect media scrutiny from something, that's usually how these stories come up, again, and again, and again.

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59 minutes ago, mello yello said:

speculative at best, whereas my post was well informed, based on facts and right on the money :)

no doubt another 50 page essay of speculation, theory and opinion will ensue

:aww:

 

I don't read whether you're being sarcastic or not too well, that's my limitation. You're welcome to go through the docs yourself though - it's all public data.

 

The 2.5-to-5% is part of the current Concorde agreement binding the teams to 2020, a lot of which was made public when CVC was floated - then there's bigger payments to some better teams on pre-2013 performance, then a split... it's complex but all there. Also note Ferrari does have a rules veto in the current agreement, which they're not keen to give up. At all.

http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsport/story/104589.html

 

Ferrari still winning on money despite not winning

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/129388/formula-1-team-payments-for-2017-revealed

http://www.totalsportek.com/f1/formula-1-prize-money/

 

Liberty is keen to bin that

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/129585/carey-wants-to-bin-f1-infamous-concorde

 

Sergio's been fairly vocal about this in Italian press - that Liberty wants to bin the historical payments and veto with a partnership and non-voting rights. Probably a nice summary in English press was on Jalopnik

https://blackflag.jalopnik.com/ferrari-threatens-to-leave-f1-if-a-bunch-of-americans-t-1820110656

 

Though there was a good bit of sabre-rattling earlier in the year

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/240120/1/ferrari-cannot-keep-on-committing-to-f1-with-decreasing-audiences

 

The current 'NASCAR' comment over differences of opinion in tech regs

http://www.liberoquotidiano.it/news/sport/13271354/ferrari-sergio-marchionne-lite-fia-liberty-group-nuove-regole-minaccia-ferrari-lascia-2021.html

 

Is something we've seen before. Happened at the last Concorde agreement too. The organisers threw some fairly radical concepts out there to get the bigger teams to give a little. Nothing really to worry about there, that much is Liberty throwing Merc and Ferrari (mostly) in a room and telling them not to come out until they've a plan that improves the show, cuts engine costs and keeps F1 relevant that more manufacturers can partake in. Solutions may not all be technical. But this is nothing new.

 

The last person to work seriously on an F1 breakaway under the Formula One Team's Association (FOTA)

https://www.thenational.ae/sport/other-sport/briatore-we-love-the-sport-1.560707

 

And that did get some traction until a solid opportunity to consign him to history in the near/mid term came up. Ironically FOTA was chaired by Ferrari's then-chairman. Held the FIA to ransom a fair few times over rules and the like. Mega s**tfight.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/jun/19/formula-one-crisis-timeline

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/76254/the-full-statement-from-the-fia

 

How'd that end? Ferrari broke ranks definitively and was the first to fully sign on an agreement as soon as they got their way and a good dose of cash for turning up. Just like they did with the Concorde agreement before that

https://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/74601/ferrari-signs-new-concorde-agreement/

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-rumour-ecclestone-considers-concorde-offer-for-ferrari/amp/

 

'Tis a wonderful game of political chess around money.

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19 minutes ago, rmpfyf said:

 

I don't read whether you're being sarcastic or not too well, that's my limitation.

 

nope, not sarcastic at all, those are the facts as stated previously

Ferrari/Sergio/Brawn/NASCAR

yep

 

again, yours is purely speculation, wildly theoretical, opinionated, BIASED and well basically ... wrong

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21 minutes ago, mello yello said:

nope, not sarcastic at all, those are the facts as stated previously

Ferrari/Sergio/Brawn/NASCAR

yep

 

again, yours is purely speculation, wildly theoretical, opinionated, BIASED and well basically ... wrong

 

Ah. I get you. OK mate, I'll have a quiet chuckle.

 

I'd ask you to prove your arguments though it's kinda pointless.

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