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Hello,

 

well this is a subject that is going to divide, and a subject that I NEVER EVER EVER EVER thought I'd be writing here about.

 

BUT, well, here it goes......

 

I'm considering, or at least playing with the idea of selling off my analogue gear to go digital. ****, I've actually said it!

 

Over several years and with a lot of help and advice found on this forum, I had a fantastic education and introduction into the world of Audiophile Hi Fi and equipment, starting off with vintage Sansui amps and speakers, then exploring the graceful sounds of  luxman amplifiers through to Trafomatic tube amps and Hoyt Bedford/Omega single drivers. No to mention my complete vinyl journy into TT's, needles, pre-ampsn upgrading and tweaking (upgraditis), custom made counter weights etc etc.... and making custom made furniture to house it all in.

 

Now after all these years, I'm going to give it all up in the favour of digital files, DACS and streaming?

 

What's got me thinking:

 

1. Space, I'm now living in a small apartment (I'm in France and sheds and big houses are extremely rare) and I need to downsize.

2. Time, with work I have less time to spend building and tinkering with hi fi (although this is fun) and just want to come home and listen to music.

3. Cost, I'm sick of my eternal upgraditis and I can't afford things here in Europe (particularly in France where the Taxes are HUGE). Vinyl is expensive (even though I love it).

4. Access to new music. I'm finding myself spending more and more time discovering new stuff streaming on QOBUZ than listening to my vinyl collection. I've been really enjoying the exposure to artists outside my habitual orbit i.e. listening to stuff I definitely would never buy on vinyl due to $$$ but nevertheless really like.

5. I can listen to hundreds of high res files on QOBUZ and in the end its so much cheaper than buying vinyl.

 

The romantic in me of course says WTF, but then the counter-romatic is excited by a change in direction and the opportunity to discover new equipment and further my education in audiophile sound.

 

My horizons are opened by the digital possibilities of listening to music whereas the vinyl/analogue seems to bring me back to safe and secure territory (and of course I'm sick of convincing myself that Vinyl really sounds better.. although it does ... doesn't it???:unsure:).

 

Perhaps its the stars, but a change is underway.

 

So I'm curious to see how other members have dealt with this in their audiophile addictions.....

 

Cheers,

 

Miles

 

 

 

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Your reasons for contemplating digital are quite valid. I am lucky that I have not come to the juncture of having to deal with this and cannot imagine going full digital but totally understand your points. :)

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Just follow the road of enjoyment,no need to hang onto old habits.

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I may let go of my LP12/ittok/AT09II to go digital...

 

BUT ILL NEVER LET GO OF MY VINYL COLLECTION!

 

may the force be with you in the move to digital....

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7 hours ago, Milos said:

Hello,

 

well this is a subject that is going to divide, and a subject that I NEVER EVER EVER EVER thought I'd be writing here about.

 

BUT, well, here it goes......

 

I'm considering, or at least playing with the idea of selling off my analogue gear to go digital. ****, I've actually said it!

 

Over several years and with a lot of help and advice found on this forum, I had a fantastic education and introduction into the world of Audiophile Hi Fi and equipment, starting off with vintage Sansui amps and speakers, then exploring the graceful sounds of  luxman amplifiers through to Trafomatic tube amps and Hoyt Bedford/Omega single drivers. No to mention my complete vinyl journy into TT's, needles, pre-ampsn upgrading and tweaking (upgraditis), custom made counter weights etc etc.... and making custom made furniture to house it all in.

 

Now after all these years, I'm going to give it all up in the favour of digital files, DACS and streaming?

 

What's got me thinking:

 

1. Space, I'm now living in a small apartment (I'm in France and sheds and big houses are extremely rare) and I need to downsize.

2. Time, with work I have less time to spend building and tinkering with hi fi (although this is fun) and just want to come home and listen to music.

3. Cost, I'm sick of my eternal upgraditis and I can't afford things here in Europe (particularly in France where the Taxes are HUGE). Vinyl is expensive (even though I love it).

4. Access to new music. I'm finding myself spending more and more time discovering new stuff streaming on QOBUZ than listening to my vinyl collection. I've been really enjoying the exposure to artists outside my habitual orbit i.e. listening to stuff I definitely would never buy on vinyl due to $$$ but nevertheless really like.

5. I can listen to hundreds of high res files on QOBUZ and in the end its so much cheaper than buying vinyl.

 

The romantic in me of course says WTF, but then the counter-romatic is excited by a change in direction and the opportunity to discover new equipment and further my education in audiophile sound.

 

My horizons are opened by the digital possibilities of listening to music whereas the vinyl/analogue seems to bring me back to safe and secure territory (and of course I'm sick of convincing myself that Vinyl really sounds better.. although it does ... doesn't it???:unsure:).

 

Perhaps its the stars, but a change is underway.

 

So I'm curious to see how other members have dealt with this in their audiophile addictions.....

 

Cheers,

 

Miles

 

 

 

 

I'm contemplating something like what you're doing, Miles, except::

  • as I've recently added subs, I have moved to a miniDSP unit providing a 4-way digital XO (instead of the 3-way analogue active XO I was using, before subs).
  • currently, the output from my preamp feeds the miniDSP.  The preamp, obviously, is analogue - so it's analogue in ... which is fine for the phono stage but means the other 3 digital sources have to first go through a D2A converter before the preamp can accept them.
  • then the miniDSP converts the analogue input stream fed from the preamp into digital - so the 3x digital sources have had to go through a D2A and then A2D conversion.  Which is not ideal.
  • so I'm going to try the opposite approach!!  This involves an ADC after the phono stage, so I have 4x digital inputs to feed into the (digital input of the) miniDSP.  A digital source selector will be used to pass 1 of the 4 digital sources to the miniDSP unit.
  • the advantage for phono with this move is that I will be using a much higher-grade external A2D than the one inside the miniDSP unit.  Also - and most important - I am able to feed the high-quality digital signal from the phono stage into a computer, for storage.  This is important as I age; decreasing eyesight resolution means things like cartridge alignment will become increasingly more difficult.  So hard-drive streaming is the answer! :thumb:
  • and the advantage for digital is that it saves an unnecessary A2D+D2A step for the 3x digital sources.

 

Regards,

Andy

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We love our Vinly almost as much as we hate our spellchecker.

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@Milos - don't look back! I made the move to digital years ago for similar reasons and never really gave it a second thought. You will enjoy digital as much as your analogue collection.

Space-wise there's no contest, and you already know it. I have a massive collection of over 3000 artists, most with multiple albums - all stored on a single drive (of course with a backup).

Tinkering is also possible with digital. With time you'll learn what makes a difference and what doesn't. The good thing is you can achieve fantastic results without spending too much.

Upgraditis though is not entirely limited to the analogue world. When it hits, it can be quite expensive...

 

 

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Thanks for all of your replies, all very appreciated.

For me the deciding factor has been the vinyl... Paying French taxes has made life here in Europe difficult and I simply don't have the means to buy as much vinyl as I'd like to, not to mention the space factor. Digital format however does make life much easier and cheaper, however of course I'm quite aware that the components and upgrading for digital sound can bankrupt me too if I wish! For me the crisis has come down to the most important thing - listening to music and enjoying it. I have listened to enough high res files on good systems to believe that the quality is suitable for my tastes (I don't want to open the old can of analogue vs digital... I find this debate tiresome). Being such a vinyl convert for so long, I am ready to embark upon another journey. I have enough friends around me to get my vinyl hit when I need it.

Andy, good luck on your approach and I hope its not too complicated. A reason I've been thinking about the shift to digital is after having listened to the Devialet Phontoms here in Montpellier by a local dealer... to be honest I was quite impressed. Just plug in and play through a streaming app like QOBUZ and I find the sound imaging exceptional. My only dilemma now is parting with my Trafomatic Aries amp, matching Hoyt Bedford single drivers and Rega RP3 with all the upgrades possible!!!!

Letting go of stuff to buy more but lesser stuff!

M

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On 11/28/2016 at 6:07 PM, aasza said:

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How about remaining 8:P

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2 minutes ago, ufo said:

How about remaining 8:P

 

You're one of the 8 ;)

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4 hours ago, aasza said:

 

You're one of the 8 ;)

Oh OK, got it now, I am 1 of the 1000:P

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3 hours ago, ufo said:

Oh OK, got it now, I am 1 of the 1000:P

Nope, you still haven't got it.

 

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29 minutes ago, eltech said:

Nope, you still haven't got it.

 

Decimal 1 -> binary 00000001

Decimal 8 -> binary 00001000

 

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1 hour ago, ufo said:

Decimal 1 -> binary 00000001

Decimal 8 -> binary 00001000

 

Seems he did get it. Hard to know if someone is talking binary (10b) , or base 10.

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22 hours ago, eltech said:

Seems he did get it. Hard to know if someone is talking binary (10b) , or base 10.

Just guess, you got an even money chance of getting it right, 1 in 10

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01011001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100101 01101001 01110100 01101000 01100101 01110010 00100000 01110000 01110101 01110011 01101000 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01110000 01101100 01100001 01111001 00100000 01100010 01110101 01110100 01110100 01101111 01101110 00100000 01101111 01110010 00100000 01110000 01110101 01110100 00100000 01100001 00100000 01101110 01100101 01100101 01100100 01101100 01100101 00100000 01101111 01101110 00100000 01101001 01110100 00101110 00100000 01010011 01100001 01101101 01100101 00100000 01100100 01101001 01100110 01100110 00101100 00100000 01110111 01101000 01101111 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110010 01100101 01110011 00100001

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15 minutes ago, Sirmorebeer said:

01011001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100101 01101001 01110100 01101000 01100101 01110010 00100000 01110000 01110101 01110011 01101000 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01110000 01101100 01100001 01111001 00100000 01100010 01110101 01110100 01110100 01101111 01101110 00100000 01101111 01110010 00100000 01110000 01110101 01110100 00100000 01100001 00100000 01101110 01100101 01100101 01100100 01101100 01100101 00100000 01101111 01101110 00100000 01101001 01110100 00101110 00100000 01010011 01100001 01101101 01100101 00100000 01100100 01101001 01100110 01100110 00101100 00100000 01110111 01101000 01101111 00100000 01100011 01100001 01110010 01100101 01110011 00100001

 

Yes, but how did the donkey get there in the first place?

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6 minutes ago, Bear72 said:

 

Yes, but how did the donkey get there in the first place?

Cause the chicken crossed the road.

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6 hours ago, andyr said:

Hexadecimal is much more fun!  :D

 

Andy

 

I don't get into witchcraft much these days.

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