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On 28. 1. 2018 at 6:22 AM, rotur said:

 


Has anyone ordered through Taobao? If so, what was the experience like?

 

I was using http://www.yoybuy.com/en/ service for years and was always happy with them

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On 1/28/2018 at 4:22 PM, rotur said:

Has anyone ordered through Taobao? If so, what was the experience like?

 

It is quite straight forward even just using google translate, they do ship to Australia however it will need to be shipped twice, once to a consolidation location then to your address.

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Thank you. Will note for future ref

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On ‎27‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 12:51 PM, rotur said:

Ares owners...did you have to pay any duties when landed in Oz? My calcs puts the amount paid under the threshold of customs...right?

 

On a side note...I see that an enterprising seller on Singapore Ebay is asking SG $1070 for the Ares...almost SG$200 above retail...!

Wow..$ going up on these..

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Demo'd the Terminator with pleasing results, many thanks to Stavros who provided the opportunity. Too bad there is a delay until March, same with the Soekris dac1421 which I'd order in a heartbeat if it was instock and shipping.

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15 minutes ago, essencez said:

Demo'd the Terminator with pleasing results,

More info please...what were your impressions...

I get pleasing results from a slice of Opera cake from Brunetti's...

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3 hours ago, Rob181 said:

More info please...what were your impressions...

I get pleasing results from a slice of Opera cake from Brunetti's...

Sorry I didn't get the chance to do a proper controlled blind A/B test to confirm anything. But for the few hours I had it, its extremely intimate especially vocals and classical piano tracks just sounded so very natural. At first, the differences was not as obvious however after 30m~1h or so of playback is when the Terminator truly started to shine. It was at this point I decided to commit to upgrading to a R2R dac (If this is any indicator of their performance). First time in a long while I have gotten gotten goose bumps while listening to my favourite tracks, it keep me wanting to try just one more song. It reminds me of a well recorded DSD track.

 

After switching back to my NAD M51 felt a little bit too clinical, the sound stage in particular seems artificially inflated and glare especially noticeable with HE6. 

 

I predominately used USB output to Singxer then AES to Terminator to keep things consistent although I have heard most people prefer the i2s hdmi output. I was surprised to see DSD can be played back natively over AES although the i2s over hdmi cable was also connected so either it auto switches inputs or it works over AES. Not that it matters as the entire point of going R2R is for native redbook playback and avoiding the delta-sigma woes, not the mention the lack of DSD sources.

 

I will probably try to get an extended demo once the item is back in stock but very happy with first impressions.

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Metrum has released new R2R Dacs - Amethyst, Onyx and Jade models. The last two are pricey but from reviews, sound very close to the Pavane

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Guys, I have only started hearing about R2R and wondered what all the fuss is about. 

 

So I am looking to try an R2R out.

 

I noticed there is a fairly affordable Audio GD R2R15 for $370.

 

What do you think about that? Or should I just pay $500 for the more popular R2R11?

 

Honestly there is very little reviews or info on the R2R15 so makes me hesitant to purchase. 

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Anyone with experience on the denafrips ares can comment on the supposedly imbalance of the channels? Where 1 is less dynamic than the other?

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7 minutes ago, pezzy said:

Anyone with experience on the denafrips ares can comment on the supposedly imbalance of the channels? Where 1 is less dynamic than the other?

I've had mine (Ares) for nearly a year and a half now.

No issues at all.

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53 minutes ago, pezzy said:

Anyone with experience on the denafrips ares can comment on the supposedly imbalance of the channels? Where 1 is less dynamic than the other?

Something is seriously wrong so send it back for warranty.

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Posted (edited)

I havent bought one yet. Was about to, but came across the posts on superaudiofriends. It's backed up by measurements, but could be a faulty unit. It's suppose to be subtle, and probably only revealed listening via cans. But still a problem nonetheless.

Edit: i'm having quite a hard time deciding which dac to get. the more i read, the more i become sus with all these technical features and listening impressions of users. i have ares, dac1421, and holo spring lv2 in my sights.

ares - good pricing. seems to have a sound signature i'd like. but lacking in a few features which i'm not sure how critical they are. plus that channel imbalance (not sure if real) looms over me.
dac1421 - good pricing. seems to be a neutral dac, where as i prefer a warmer signature.
holo spring - i'm most confident about this as a blind purchase. however the price is a little expensive. not sure if i want to spend 2k on a dac, not to mention on a product with a sub standard usb input where it's recommended i add a DDC for max performance. i know ares would benefit from one as well. but i accept that with the much lower price of ares.

how important is compensation/error correction/or whatever in r2r dacs? is this something someone with average hearing will be able to discern immediately?

 

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On 18/06/2018 at 10:35 PM, pezzy said:

I havent bought one yet. Was about to, but came across the posts on superaudiofriends. It's backed up by measurements, but could be a faulty unit. It's suppose to be subtle, and probably only revealed listening via cans. But still a problem nonetheless.

Edit: i'm having quite a hard time deciding which dac to get. the more i read, the more i become sus with all these technical features and listening impressions of users. i have ares, dac1421, and holo spring lv2 in my sights.

ares - good pricing. seems to have a sound signature i'd like. but lacking in a few features which i'm not sure how critical they are. plus that channel imbalance (not sure if real) looms over me.
dac1421 - good pricing. seems to be a neutral dac, where as i prefer a warmer signature.
holo spring - i'm most confident about this as a blind purchase. however the price is a little expensive. not sure if i want to spend 2k on a dac, not to mention on a product with a sub standard usb input where it's recommended i add a DDC for max performance. i know ares would benefit from one as well. but i accept that with the much lower price of ares.

how important is compensation/error correction/or whatever in r2r dacs? is this something someone with average hearing will be able to discern immediately?

 

I've been using the Pontus for a few weeks (~100 hours) now. No difference of any kind between channels that I've noticed. I'm using a Curious USB cable out of an Antipodes DS streamer/server and am really enjoying the results. This was a blind purchase and one that I have not regretted. I would not mind trying the Singxer DDC option but have heard that for some, the difference is negligible and dependent on the source quality more than anything. Maybe someone would lend me one for a week or two.

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On 18/06/2018 at 10:35 PM, pezzy said:

compensation/error correction/or whatever in r2r dacs?

It's very important, but it's hard to generalise that one "type" is going to be always better than another.    It's more a wholistic part of the design.

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Great price, can't wait to hear how it sounds

 

This is something new to know.

 

"For those who know DSD well, they will know that pure DSD does not allow for volume control. In fact if a DSD dac claims to have volume control then you will know that it’s first converted to PCM internally to achieve this." 

 

Cheers George

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