georgehifi Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 Not just me but recording studios too! From MoJo Sound USA. "When a PCM file is played on a DSD or Bit Stream (Delta Sigma) converter, the DAC chip has to convert the PCM to DSD in real time. This is one of the major reasons people claim DSD sounds better than PCM, when in fact, it is just that the Delta Sigma chip in most modern single-bit DACs do a poor job of decoding PCM." Cheers George 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firedog Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 3 hours ago, georgehifi said: Not just me but recording studios too! From MoJo Sound USA. "When a PCM file is played on a DSD or Bit Stream (Delta Sigma) converter, the DAC chip has to convert the PCM to DSD in real time. This is one of the major reasons people claim DSD sounds better than PCM, when in fact, it is just that the Delta Sigma chip in most modern single-bit DACs do a poor job of decoding PCM." Cheers George That is true, but some people just prefer the sound of DSD, and even upsample PCM to DSD. Even if using external server software for playback and upsampling. Not necessarily DAC dependent. My present system only plays back in PCM and it sounds fine. But there are a small number of recordings which sound harsh to me and I convert them to DSD in Roon before playback. Even though my system converts the DSD back to PCM, the DSD conversion takes out a bit of the harshness. I think this is the same audible phenomenon that many people hear who prefer tubes - a more rounded or softer sound, less "edge". Many say it is a more "natural" sound. People have different ideas of what sounds good and what sounds natural. Some think the "sound" of DSD is more natural. Just as many think tubes sound more "natural". Others disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickstuh Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 FWIW, I've been listening to an Audio-GD R2R DAC I got recently, the R2R11. It's probably the cheapest R2R DAC going around. (Please correct me if it's not – but I did say 'probably'.) Sounds impressive to me – and yes, I did read the reviews of their Singularity19 via links in this very thread. For context, other DACs in the house are an Emotiva XDA-1, Auralic Aries Mini and the digital side of a Harman Kardon 990 amp. It competes with and maybe bests them. I've only recently tried its pre-puts to a power amp. It was meant to be just an experiment, but I haven't rushed to put the standing preamp ( a very handy Xindak) back in the chain. Btw, I'm no Audio-GD fanboy. This is the only piece of their equipment I've ever heard. But it's good enough to have piqued my interest in their preamps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Faustus Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Interesting reading the @Mickstuh comments - I was trying to decide between a Holo Audio and a Denafrips when I saw the Audio-GD stuff but the review had put me off ... did the reviewer have a faulty unit?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Katz Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Interesting but he is selling a Dac himself. I had to do a double take as I think he put in one or two too many 0's for the price. [emoji6] $12000 Euros for this and its the CD-only 44.1kHz I have this exact same dac. It is a great dac! It operates with a 12v battery and samples up to 192khz not just 44.1khz. I don’t think he wants to make them now, so he asks what he likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgehifi Posted December 15, 2017 Author Share Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) Here's an owner review, of the Denafrips Pontus (R2R Multibit) vs the Gustard (ESS Delta Sigma). https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/1493778 Just above that post is a link to the 6 Moons review of the Denafrips, also not a bad read if you can handle reading the 6 Moons format, my eye hurt reading it for some reason, (anyone else?) Cheers George Edited December 15, 2017 by georgehifi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misternavi Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Here's an owner review, of the Denafrips Pontus (R2R Multibit) vs the Gustard (ESS Delta Sigma). https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/1493778 Just above that post is a link to the 6 Moons review of the Denafrips, also not a bad read if you can handle reading the 6 Moons format, my eye hurt reading it for some reason, (anyone else?) Cheers George R2R denafrips is a different flavour to Gustard ess sabre chips. really should have compared it to gustard x-20. might not have made a difference to the review though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgehifi Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 Another great review of the Denafrips, this time with speakers not headphones. https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/denafrips-dac-owner-impressions-feedback-general-discussion-que/post?postid=1496086#1496086 Cheers George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi Five Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Can some body help me ,looking at a Denafrips dac-68 r2r on ebay. No real info on google about it. Just want to try R2R . Cheers Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorkBun69s Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 Have my Ares for 4 months now. Its a keeper, certainly keeps up with a similar sound signature to my vinyl rig that costs way heaps more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundfan Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 2 hours ago, katattack74 said: Have my Ares for 4 months now. Its a keeper, certainly keeps up with a similar sound signature to my vinyl rig that costs way heaps more. Agreed. I’ve had my Ares since mid February and love it. Although I personally like the SQ of my vinyl set up more than my DAC, the Ares gets heaps of use. Streaming Tidal using Audirvana + through the Ares is excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorkBun69s Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 27 minutes ago, soundfan said: Agreed. Although I personally like the SQ of my vinyl set up more than my DAC, the Ares gets heaps of use. Ditto, the Ares fills in the gap where i want to listen to music without the time/patience for critical listening - which i goto on vinyl. Its dynamic, smooth, has very good bass and vocals are just spot on for something that costs under $1k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudra Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, soundfan said: Agreed. I’ve had my Ares since mid February and love it. Although I personally like the SQ of my vinyl set up more than my DAC, the Ares gets heaps of use. Streaming Tidal using Audirvana + through the Ares is excellent. I liked the ARES so much I ended up purchasing the Pontus for my main rig. Still use the ARES in my HeadFi set up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudra Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Hi Five said: Can some body help me ,looking at a Denafrips dac-68 r2r on ebay. No real info on google about it. Just want to try R2R . Cheers Jeff I believe the dac-68 was the model before Ares with less input at the back. for $30 more you can buy a brand new Ares. IMO you would be better off buying the Ares Edited December 28, 2017 by rudra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parissay Oudomvilay Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 @Dacman @Dacman Hello do you have anyone in Sydney to demo the Denafrips DAC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misternavi Posted January 1, 2018 Share Posted January 1, 2018 not as cheap but here’s another R2R dac/headphone amp/prehttps://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F282416110022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgehifi Posted January 1, 2018 Author Share Posted January 1, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, misternavi said: here’s another R2R dac/headphone amp/pre It's a Sokeris DAM1021module. http://www.soekris.dk/ If you want the good one the DAC-1421 or for EUR400!!! more the DAC-1541 if you need balanced outputs, see too much just for balanced version of the 1421 Cheers George Edited January 1, 2018 by georgehifi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essence Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) After reading this thread makes me want the Denafrips Terminator so bad, its aesthetically a masterpiece and since I'll need a pre I will get a lightspeed attenuator! Does it pair well with R2R Dacs? According to the Denafrip's Australian Facebook page demos were available in Melbourne since late last year. Edited January 25, 2018 by essencez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christosd Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Any SA owners of the Ares or other Denafrips around that could offer a quick listen at my house? I'll supply good wine and an Ayon cd5s cd/dac (1704K) for comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotur Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 On 16/01/2018 at 6:34 PM, christosd said: Any SA owners of the Ares or other Denafrips around that could offer a quick listen at my house? I'll supply good wine and an Ayon cd5s cd/dac (1704K) for comparison. Potential GTG? I imagine there might be a few people locally who would be keen to listen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christosd Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Yes, all we need is the comparison discrete R2R dac and it's on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotur Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Ares owners...did you have to pay any duties when landed in Oz? My calcs puts the amount paid under the threshold of customs...right? On a side note...I see that an enterprising seller on Singapore Ebay is asking SG $1070 for the Ares...almost SG$200 above retail...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundfan Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, rotur said: Ares owners...did you have to pay any duties when landed in Oz? My calcs puts the amount paid under the threshold of customs...right? On a side note...I see that an enterprising seller on Singapore Ebay is asking SG $1070 for the Ares...almost SG$200 above retail...! No. No duties paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotur Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 In competition to the discrete R2R HOLO Spring Dac, even cheaper, $786aud!!!!https://world.taobao.com/item/16104421599.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.wB9EQf#detail Cheers George Has anyone ordered through Taobao? If so, what was the experience like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agisthos Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 On 20/08/2017 at 12:31 AM, rocky500 said: Interesting but he is selling a Dac himself. I had to do a double take as I think he put in one or two too many 0's for the price. $12000 Euros for this and its the CD-only 44.1kHz I can remember when they were about $1800 euro. Inflation is a biatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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