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Mmm another sleeper of a cart like the AT95E?

I'll stick my neck out now and say that this cart in my system has made my system sound the best it has to date.....

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I bought a brand new p77i on the boxing day specials, got a great deal on it. 20% off rrp.

Its such a nice cart, very good at dealing with surface noise.

i also find this shape cart easier to set up than the shape of the ortofon 2Ms which ive had in the past.

i started off with a k2 as well, then bought this one just on the basis that i liked the sound of the k2.

using a rega vta adapter to raise up the tonearm base. 

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Just bought a P77i. Not as good a price as I hoped but got Tivoli down a bit with postage. $520. They claim the micro-scanner profile is optimum. More detail. 

 

We will see.

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On 25/02/2019 at 7:02 PM, nkoulban said:

I had an original P77, what a great cart!  I sold it after I went digital in the mid 1990s.  I'm now back into analogue and the closest cart I have found that sounds like it (as best as I can recall) is the LP Gear The Vessel.  The body is made by the Excel Sound Corp in Japan which I understand also makes the P77 body. 

 

A & R Cambridge (Arcam)......https://www.vinylengine.com/images/model/arcam_p77.jpg

 

Unless Excel make that for A&R as well....?😕

 

PS: Just found this on VE regading the A&R P77:

"The original P77 started with a Weinz Paroc stylus profile on a conventional Japanese-sourced body/ cantilever, chosen for good rigidity and sensible compliance. This stylus is now replaced by a special elliptical / line profiled tip, which is fitted in the UK.".....so, a 'Japanese sourced body'......you are likely correct. 👍
 

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I am running a P77i and have not felt the need for any particular adjustment. It is /was carefully aligned and set up but there was nothing particularly noteworthy when we were setting it up. Perhaps the i version is different?

 

Anyway , I use and enjoy mine every day. I loved the Garrott carts back when the brothers made them ( RIP to both ) and I still enjoy the new stuff.

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4 minutes ago, rantan said:

 

I am running a P77i and have not felt the need for any particular adjustment. It is /was carefully aligned and set up but there was nothing particularly noteworthy when we were setting it up. Perhaps the i version is different?

 

Anyway , I use and enjoy mine every day. I loved the Garrott carts back when the brothers made them ( RIP to both ) and I still enjoy the new stuff.

OMG, you guys have me excited now. The K3 has been such a great and rock solid performer I’m gong to send to to TT-2 with its own head shell so I can enjoy it in the further. May have an almost unused K2 for sale. 

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Am I right in assuming the Garrott K and P77 bodies are the same, ie: by adding a P77 stylus to a K3 for instance, it then becomes a P77? I always thought all the Garrott bodies under the Optim were the same (they're all 'dynamic coil') and were determined by stylus type......but maybe this just goes for the K series. 😕

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51 minutes ago, stevoz said:

Am I right in assuming the Garrott K and P77 bodies are the same, ie: by adding a P77 stylus to a K3 for instance, it then becomes a P77? I always thought all the Garrott bodies under the Optim were the same (they're all 'dynamic coil') and were determined by stylus type......but maybe this just goes for the K series. 😕

I think the P77i is a different beast. Read the blurb, it’s not the same animali. 

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16 hours ago, mwhouston said:

I think the P77i is a different beast. Read the blurb, it’s not the same animali. 

The bodies of the early Garrotts were all the same as A&R Cambridge P,E and C's. This included the Garrott P66 and P77. No idea about the 77i.

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I have the original Garrott P77 and the spec sheet with it call the diamond a 'Special Micro-Tracer type' - no mention of nude or bonded.

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You can easily tell if the diamond is a bonded type or not , by eyesight alone.  The whole modus operandi of the Garrott enterprise  is  fitting  high grade diamonds to their house brand models and the cartridges sent in for refurbishment.

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38 minutes ago, VanArn said:

You can easily tell if the diamond is a bonded type or not , by eyesight alone. 

Hi VanArn,

In my first post I was sticking to verifiable facts. My Rega does not have a removable headshell, but using a hand lens I can see a nude diamond there.

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Just bought a P77i. Not as good a price as I hoped but got Tivoli down a bit with postage. $520. They claim the micro-scanner profile is optimum. More detail. 
 
We will see.
Hi Mark,

Any update on the cart? How does it compare to the K2?

Cheers,

Ian.

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25 minutes ago, TOPSHELF said:

Hi Mark,

Any update on the cart? How does it compare to the K2?

Cheers,

Ian.

My standard cart in the main rig was a K3. I also have a K2 in system two. 

 

The K3 is very good and there wasn’t a huge difference from K3 to P77i. But the P77i is better. Just richer and more depth. If you can stretch to a P77i it’s worth it. Failing that the K3 is extremely enjoyable. 

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Thanks Mark i can understand the description "richer" with reference to the P77(i) sound.
The only quandry now is to put a new stylus on my P77 or try the SAS stylus.....
Has any one done this or heard it?

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On 27/03/2019 at 6:37 PM, TOPSHELF said:

The only quandry now is to put a new stylus on my P77 or try the SAS stylus.....
Has any one done this or heard it?

I'd love to know as well. I have a P77, but don't know the state of the stylus.

Can anyone clarify which styli will fit the original P77 as a replacement? To my knowledge the The SAS 1 fits (which currently only seems to be available from Thakker, and a Shure N91E (not ED) fits, so therefore this Jico one should fit?

 

I also came across this: "We resume taking orders of the Super Analog Stylus Series".

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Hi@flanders, thank you for posting the options. The other one to consider is the Garrot bros replacement but at $400 i would be tempted to get a new P77i for $600.
From all my reading i am leaning towards the SAS 1....
I would like to try a new Garrott p77i though...

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I've done this.....

In fact I've done this three times....🤣

I had three Garrott P77 cartridges in the 80s (two bought directly from John and Brian Garrott).

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I loved those cartridges but for the next twenty years, I joined the LOMC community.

When I returned to MMs in about 2007, I bought an original Jico SAS (boron cantilever) stylus for one of them...

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And it transformed the P77 into a world-beater :drool:

I decided to try the Neo-SAS (Sapphire and Ruby) when they replaced the Boron....

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And wrote a review of the original P77 in 2009 

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/garrott-p77-mm-cartridge

And wrote a further review in 2017 comparing the three SAS styli..

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/jico-sas-vs-neo-sas-s-vs-neo-sas-r

 

As Jico have now begun taking orders for all three SAS styli (after a year's hiatus)......I'd recommend anyone who has an original P77, to run (don't walk) to your nearest computer to place your order...:frantics:

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Can only say I’m loving my new P77i. It’s just starting to settle. 

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3 hours ago, TOPSHELF said:

Hi@flanders, thank you for posting the options. The other one to consider is the Garrot bros replacement but at $400 i would be tempted to get a new P77i for $600.
From all my reading i am leaning towards the SAS 1....
I would like to try a new Garrott p77i though...
 

So $400 is a retip or the whole stylus assembly?

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2 hours ago, Halcro said:

I've done this.....

In fact I've done this three times....🤣

I had three Garrott P77 cartridges in the 80s (two bought directly from John and Brian Garrott).

 

I loved those cartridges but for the next twenty years, I joined the LOMC community.

When I returned to MMs in about 2007, I bought an original Jico SAS (boron cantilever) stylus for one of them...

 

And it transformed the P77 into a world-beater :drool:

I decided to try the Neo-SAS (Sapphire and Ruby) when they replaced the Boron....

 

And wrote a review of the original P77 in 2009 

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/garrott-p77-mm-cartridge

And wrote a further review in 2017 comparing the three SAS styli..

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/jico-sas-vs-neo-sas-s-vs-neo-sas-r

 

As Jico have now begun taking orders for all three SAS styli (after a year's hiatus)......I'd recommend anyone who has an original P77, to run (don't walk) to your nearest computer to place your order...:frantics:

 

Wow you must like the P77 to return to it after 20 years! Thanks for sharing your experiences. 

 

So you reckon the SAS 1 is better than the original stylus?

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19 minutes ago, flanders said:

 

Wow you must like the P77 to return to it after 20 years! Thanks for sharing your experiences. 

 

So you reckon the SAS 1 is better than the original stylus?

Like chalk and cheese......

 

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9 minutes ago, Halcro said:

Like chalk and cheese......

 

Sold! I’ve run to my computer, but how do I place my order?! The only reference I can find is the link I posted earlier:

https://www.jico-stylus.com/neosas.php

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8 hours ago, Halcro said:

Like chalk and cheese......

Thats a bummer. The Microscanner was their best cut.

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You need to go to the Jico Website

https://www.jico-stylus.com/index.php?cPath=88&osCsid=0bufha4eka5gqh0jqm4tf3vvf5

You can see the SAS-STYLUS 1

That's the one that fits the Garrott P77 but they don't appear to have any stock of those yet.

They have the SAS for the Shure V15/III with Boron cantilever

https://www.jico-stylus.com/product_info.php?cPath=18&products_id=1575&osCsid=0bufha4eka5gqh0jqm4tf3vvf5

And also with Sapphire

https://www.jico-stylus.com/product_info.php?cPath=18&products_id=1685&osCsid=0bufha4eka5gqh0jqm4tf3vvf5

They have the SAS for the Victor Z1 with Boron

https://www.jico-stylus.com/product_info.php?cPath=8&products_id=1569&osCsid=0bufha4eka5gqh0jqm4tf3vvf5

And also with Sapphire

https://www.jico-stylus.com/product_info.php?cPath=8&products_id=1649&osCsid=0bufha4eka5gqh0jqm4tf3vvf5

 

You need to Contact them and ask them to let you know when the SAS-STYLUS 1 is available.

Meanwhile....you can pick up a used Victor Z1 (without stylus you can get one for $100) and buy the SAS for that.

Believe it or not....it's even better than the P77/SAS....:hyper:

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