macguffin Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 As I slowly put my record collection back together, I may have the opportunity to pick up some original Midnight Oil LPs. Anyone care to comment on the recording/mastering quality ? Are they Good? Bad? Ugly? Any I should avoid? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 If they are original Oil's pressings, buy them. The earlier stuff sounds a little brash and the middle/later stuff sounds excellent. Great music which is the main point. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macguffin Posted November 2, 2014 Author Share Posted November 2, 2014 Brilliant! Just hope they are in good condition. If they are anything like mine were, they will have been played a lot. Thanks MB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddisgeek Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Bird Noises in partucular sounds great at 45 rpm 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Hall Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 It would play havoc with the stylus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mondie Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 As Metal Beats says just buy them. 10-1 & Red Sails are awesome on original Aussie LP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony John Colbert Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 I have 3 copies of 10-1 if you need one. Also got red sails, place without a postcard, bird noises, species deceases and diesel and dust. I'm looking for the first 2 albums on vinyl myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macguffin Posted November 2, 2014 Author Share Posted November 2, 2014 Thanks for the replies gents! Looking forward to these, might be able get my hands on some Skyhooks and HooDoo Gurus as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candyflip Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 As Metal Beats says just buy them. 10-1 & Red Sails are awesome on original Aussie LP I hate to disagree, but I have to, because it's my personal experience. I just don't like '10-1' on original AUS vinyl - the bass is particularly weak and if you appreciate the Oils for the drumming and the thump of their attack on the big songs from the LP, I think the vinyl lets you down. I have a JAP vinyl copy that is a lot quieter which I still use, but it of course has jacked up treble, which is pretty awful. I'm still waiting for the hallelujah moment with the Oils (and Chisel) on vinyl...... waiting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackeb Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I must be totally honest, when I first read the title of this thread I though "Why would anyone put oil on the vinyl?" Then it occurred to me that it must have been about oily finger prints or such stains. I was mistaken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tallman5353 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) Recently listened to 10-1 with my head phones (ATH-M50x) the other day, the mastering on this album is incredible! The dynamic range is second to none compared to the other oils vinyl. DnD would be 2nd followed by Blue Sky Mining. Edited November 3, 2014 by tallman5353 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mondie Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I'm still waiting for the hallelujah moment with the Oils (and Chisel) on vinyl...... waiting.... Candy, You might have ti hunt down a few early presses of 10-1 on LP. Believe me there are great sounding masterings out there. It will be worth it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myPal Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Buy them. Difficult to find condition now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candyflip Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Candy, You might have ti hunt down a few early presses of 10-1 on LP. Believe me there are great sounding masterings out there. It will be worth it Problem is Mondie, identifying them. The matrixes are all very similar and of course, short on mastering credits (mostly just 'MX' cat numbers). There is a chronic shortage of actual confirmed info on the masterings and pressing sizes/matrices for all the early Australian classics (Oils, Chisel, Aus Crawl). Most of it is just guesses. And buying them a hit and (mostly) miss affair. I think the whole catalog could do with a remaster (properly) onto vinyl and a re-release. The recent ones on CD again failed to make the grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analog brother Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 i have original red sails album - sounds great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macguffin Posted November 5, 2014 Author Share Posted November 5, 2014 I must be totally honest, when I first read the title of this thread I though "Why would anyone put oil on the vinyl?" Then it occurred to me that it must have been about oily finger prints or such stains. I was mistaken. Some people have been known to oil their vinyl.... but I think that's a very different kind of ..... hobby.... :blink: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David.M Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Motivated by this thread I had an afternoon listening to their LPs from S/T up to 10 to 1 + EP Bird Noises. I went off the band in recent years (PG's political sell-out lost me) but this is now the 2nd time in a couple of months I've listened to them (the 1st time motivated by their exhibition at Manly) and I'm again really enjoying the music. They were my local pub band in the early days (Royal Antler Narrabeen) and listening to the S/T & Head Injuries albums really takes you back to those days, not the power of their live gigs but quite raw sounding (I think my raw = @'s 'brash'), I felt a yearning desire to be back in those carefree youthful days 10 to 1 is a noticeably more polished production, my copy is not lacking in the bottom end and sounds absolutely fantastic (like the others I would have bought it from the Narrabeen Record Bar week of release), Side 1 matrix "MX202150 SBP237868-1 GOOD FELLOW ONE TALK PLASTIC MR NICK TOWNHOUSE", Side 2 "MX2021501 SBP237868-2 ITS ABOUT THE ENDING TOWNHOUSE" (the 2nd '0' in 2021501 is crossed out with an X), everything on both sides is hand etched except TOWNHOUSE which is stamped. Actually listening to Power & the Passion takes me back to the first time I saw them away from the pub, it was the Sydney Entertainment Centre I guess 82-83, the trumpets near the end of the song were played by 2 or 3 guys perched on a platform way up high near the ceiling, oh to be young again 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 @@David.M I can see why I was never quite happy with mine and perhaps Candy, as I bought mine maybe 12 months after initial release.. Mine is exactly the same as yours, except after MX202150 it has -B -D2 Meaning mine is not the first pressing, but a later stamper. you lucky bugger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macguffin Posted November 5, 2014 Author Share Posted November 5, 2014 ....... Actually listening to Power & the Passion takes me back to the first time I saw them away from the pub, it was the Sydney Entertainment Centre I guess 82-83, the trumpets near the end of the song were played by 2 or 3 guys perched on a platform way up high near the ceiling, oh to be young again Hah!! Was at that gig! most powerful rock band i have ever seen on stage. That night must be burned into my memory if I can still remember it at this point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynomite Records Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I saw them at the Comb & Cutter in Blacktown back in the late 70's and INXS were the support band!! Great gig!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundfan Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 @@David.M I can see why I was never quite happy with mine and perhaps Candy, as I bought mine maybe 12 months after initial release.. Mine is exactly the same as yours, except after MX202150 it has -B -D2 Meaning mine is not the first pressing, but a later stamper. you lucky bugger I'll weigh into this discussion. My copy of 10 to 1 is identical to yours Shane. My copy sounds great, and am spinning it at the minute. By no means reference material, but very very good. Bass is excellent too, and dynamics are first class. Ironically, the Discog info for the Aust first pressing does mention the -B -D2 in the dead wax: Matrix / Runout (Side A Label): MX202150 Matrix / Runout (Side B Label): MX202151 Matrix / Runout (Side A Runout Groove Hand-Etched And Stamped): MX202150-B -D2 SBP237868-1 GOOD FELLOW ONE TALK PLASTIC MR. NICK TOWNHOUSE Matrix / Runout (Side B Runout Groove Hand-Etched And Stamped): MX202151-B -D2 SBP237868-2 ITS ABOUT THE ENDING TOWNHOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Hi Chris Sounds like I need to give it a spin tonight. Maybe I was comparing it to Red Sails as it does not sound as good as that. Both albums produced by Nick Launay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David.M Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) This morning whilst searching through some stored CDs I came across my Oil's collection, just had to do a quick comparison with 10-1. The CD I think is the original issue, definitely not a loudness war victim as I had to turn the volume up to match the LP. Comparing Power & Passion + beginning of Maralinga the CD is so thin and lifeless compared to my LP, listening blind one could think I changed speakers. I had to go back to side 1 and listen to the whole album (LP) again @@soundfan, I saw that Discogs entry, mine definitely doesn't have the B-D2 on either side plus does have an error on side 2 (the crossed out 0), guess the Discogs info is only as accurate as whoever submits it. Shane, actually listening to Red Sails as I type, I think my 10-1 sonically equals Red Sails. Edit: A lesson learned from doing the comparo with the CD, whenever you get a little frustrated with vinyl's trappings (record QC issues etc) just do a quick back to back comparison with the CD (most any CD) to the LP and you are reminded of why you make the effort Edited November 6, 2014 by David.M 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awty Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Ironically, the Discog info for the Aust first pressing does mention the -B -D2 in the dead wax: Matrix / Runout (Side A Label): MX202150 Matrix / Runout (Side B Label): MX202151 Matrix / Runout (Side A Runout Groove Hand-Etched And Stamped): MX202150-B -D2 SBP237868-1 GOOD FELLOW ONE TALK PLASTIC MR. NICK TOWNHOUSE Matrix / Runout (Side B Runout Groove Hand-Etched And Stamped): MX202151-B -D2 SBP237868-2 ITS ABOUT THE ENDING TOWNHOUSE Thats what mine has, bought in the first week of release, but I thought they sold out, like Models did and didnt play it much. My red sails was bought on release to but I cant ever remember playing it. My favorite is Postcards, forgot Bird Noises was on 45. Playing 10-1 for the first time in over 30 years, sounds good, strong bass, vocals, guitar, the kickers hitting me in the chest... may have to forgive them and try Red sails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citroen Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Mine is also exactly the same as Shane's, and not a NZ version either but the same Australian label and run out groove info. Bass nice and solid, but not very present. Good dynamics but overall a bit ho hum SQ wise. Mids recessed and not much air or sparkle. An average pressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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