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The April 2016 meeting of the Sydney Audio Club sees us meet once again for an afternoon of fine music, great sound and amicable company.   Each month the Sydney Audio Club presents an excellent high end audio system for our members and guests.  Feel free to bring along your own music to test the capabilities of the system or to just share with like-minded music lovers in a friendly and relaxed atmosphere.
 

For April, we are very pleased to have Henry Kristanto of Redefy Audio present his new Redefy Two speakers.  Redefy Audio is a relative newcomer to the Australian market and prides itself in being wholly Australian – all speakers are designed and manufactured in Australia.  Henry is also the distributor for Arte Forma high-end electronics from Taiwan, some of which you will hear on Sunday.

 

 

Details of the system….

 

 

Redefy Audio speakers.   Henry will be bringing his latest speakers, the Redefy Two.  They are fairly large floor standers.  As Henry has said on his website, “Our speakers are designed to last a lifetime with ultra-efficient Italian drivers, exotic crossovers, birch ply and solid Australian craftsmanshipâ€.  Refer to http://redefyaudio.com/two/ and http://6moons.com/audioreviews2/redefy/1.html

 

Arte Forma Thalia 6SN7 Preamp.  Refer to http://redefyaudio.com/arteformataiwan/thalia-6sn7-preamp and http://redefyaudio.com/arteformataiwan/

 

Arte Forma Due Volte 805 SET Monoblocks.  Class A, 35w.  Refer to http://redefyaudio.com/arteformataiwan/due-volte-805-se-monoblock and http://redefyaudio.com/arteformataiwan/

 

Vermouth RCA Interconnect and Speaker Cabling.  Refer to http://vermouthaudio.com/new/

 

Marantz SA11 S1 SACD Player.  Refer to http://www.stereotimes.com/cd122005.shtml and http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue52/marantz.htm

 

Oppo BDP-105D Universal player.   Refer to https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-105/blu-ray-BDP-105D-Overview.aspx and http://www.whathifi.com/oppo/bdp-105d/review.  We will use the Oppo primarily for playing from flash/USB drives.

 

 

The second half of the music sessions will be our popular BYO.   Members and guests are welcome to offer music to share with us all.  So bring along your favourite music on CD/SACD or flash/USB drive.  (Sorry, no vinyl this month.)  All we ask is that the music and recordings be interesting.  We'll ask you to tell us a little about the artist/recording before it is played.  Tracks over 6 minutes will be faded out, to give everyone a fair go.

Whether you are a novice or a seasoned veteran, you will have the opportunity to listen, learn and share your experiences with others of a similar mind.

Guests are always welcome – we are a very friendly club so you don't need to know anyone to join us for an afternoon of fine music and sound.  We will welcome you at the door.

Venue:  Epping Creative Centre, Dence Park
Address:  26 Stanley Road, Epping

When:  Sunday 10th April 2016

 

Doors open 1pm
Meeting starts at 2pm

 

Best regards,

 

Tom Waters

President

Sydney Audio Club

www.sydneyaudioclub.org.au

tomwaters@sydneyaudioclub.org.au

 

Edited by TomW

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Dear StereoNET and Sydney Audio Club members,

 

I will bring Redefy NEO and Stereo Subwoofers instead of the TWO for Sunday. It should be very interesting and fun afternoon as usual :).

 

Cheers

Henry

Redefy

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Hello again… just thought I’d pass on an update of our club meeting. 

 

As Henry mentioned above, he brought in his Redefy Neo speakers and two huge subwoofers rather than the Redefy Two.  The Neo is a 2-way speaker whereas the Two is a 3-way.   Since the club hadn’t been graced with experiencing either, it was quite alright.

 

We used some new room treatment behind the speakers – 6 RealTraps Mondo bass absorbers helped a lot to tame pressure off the front wall.   We also used some tables placed upright along the sides of the audience – leaning on that was some more room treatment to reduce midrange and high range reflections.  The idea with the tables was first tried by Bryan Fletcher (Audio Note UK) back in March 2014 when Bryan presented back then.   It seemed to make a difference but in all honesty we heard the system mostly with the tables in place and not so much without the tables, so admittedly the difference in SQ wasn’t fully explored.   That said it certainly didn’t seem to hurt with the tables on Sunday.

 

Prior to our meeting start-up, Henry spent a fair bit of time measuring the subwoofer response in the room.  In the end, the left sub was tuned to be down by 6db, the right by 2db, relative to the main speakers.  Once the meeting started, people in the front rows thought the bass was fine, but when I was standing at the back it was too prominent.   So Henry turned it down a bit more. 

 

Sound staging and depth was fine, tonality was good, and resolution was good.  A few people said they thought the horn loaded midrange and highs were a bit shouty and thin.  Perhaps when you were seated or near the front it might sound that way – as usual I did most of my listening when standing at the back, so the effects of the horns wasn’t as obvious to me.   One person liked the presentation so much that they said they liked the speakers more than the Avantgarde Zero-1 XD’s we had in the previous month – when you factor in the cost of the Art Forma pre and power amps, the price of the two systems was similar.   

 

As usual, our sincere thanks to Henry for the effort in preparing and presenting to the club. 

 

Regards,

Tom

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Prior to our meeting start-up, Henry spent a fair bit of time measuring the subwoofer response in the room.  In the end, the left sub was tuned to be down by 6db, the right by 2db, relative to the main speakers.  Once the meeting started, people in the front rows thought the bass was fine, but when I was standing at the back it was too prominent.   So Henry turned it down a bit more. 

 

 

 

The subwoofers were playing on the same level. on the meeting i was referring to 6 bands of EQ for the left Subwoofer and 2 bands of EQ for the right subwoofers in order to achieve linear bass responses for the 2nd and 3rd row of the seating position.

 

The room is quite large and unfortunately i did not have the time to measure for a larger seat groups (as it will take more than 4 groups of measurements - with each group will have 6 measurements)

 

edit : and yes after people have taken their seats, the bass was a bit too much and i reduced the level approximately 1.5db than the initial level.

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I heard them for a few hours at a gtg at henrys place and i didn't find them shouty

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I was pretty impressed with the sound overall, i was standing at the back of the room.

The sound in the room was pretty good and I enjoyed the music they were making even though the music wasn't really my flavour. 

The bass was well integrated and the sound was articulate and tonally very good. From where I was standing i didn't find the horns shouty.  

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Indeed, I stood up the back most of the time (best sounding spot I thought) and the sound was.... ummmm, great. I did notice the subs were turned down a touch towards the beginning, but as the whole system seemed to 'warm up', I almost asked for the subs to be turned up to better blend with the highs coming from the horns. But, that's from where I was standing and it's personal preference. This is NOT a complaint, the sound was great! The horns sounded great, the subs could've gone up a tad, but all in all, yippie!!! And Henry, thank you man!

 

PS: I was a guest there, thanks for having me. I do look forward to next time, if I'm welcome.

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But, that's from where I was standing and it's personal preference. This is NOT a complaint, the sound was great! The horns sounded great, the subs could've gone up a tad, but all in all, yippie!!! And Henry, thank you man!

 

PS: I was a guest there, thanks for having me. I do look forward to next time, if I'm welcome.

 

SAC is a very welcoming club :).

 

Bass is always personal preferences, so you are spot on there! 

 

Thank you for coming and i think overall we had a really enjoyable afternoon.

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I should probably try to suggest some possibilities around why a few people felt the Neo speakers to be “…a bit shouty and thinâ€.   As I’ve said many times before, our room is known to be troublesome – it doesn’t allow a system to truly shine as it can, and I don’t doubt that this was a factor yet again.  It may well be that our room caused an imbalance which resulted in a slight “thin†less fleshed out sound.  Some people may have heard that “thinness†and thought it was caused by the speaker/system itself.  How you heard it may well have been dependent on where you were in the room (that is not uncommon in our room), and even your personal preferences.  From the back where I was standing, I didn’t notice any SQ issues, it sounded fine to me.

 

As well, I was told that an engineer/visitor at an ASoN meeting (in the same room) had earlier suggested the method with using the tables to enclose the room a bit – sorry, I was unaware.  Obviously I should have indicated that March 2014 was the first date that I knew about this.

 

Yes, thanks for the endorsement Henry and others.  And it was indeed a very enjoyable afternoon.  Thanks all...

 

Tom

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Hi Henry, what are the subwoofers? Are they DIY and active?

Cheers,

T

 

hi T,

 

It is Redefy 212 DSP subwoofer, it uses 2 x 12" high excursion subwoofer with DSP plate amplifier.

 

cheers

Henry

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Would you be able to send me some specifications such as sensitivity etc. ? I am looking for a audio subs to match with Lowther horn loaded speakers that are around 110db sensitivity. This is to cover bottom octive of the low frequcency. How much will it be for 2 subs?

Cheers,

T

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