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  1. Assisi

    Music vs Audio?

    @davewantsmoore I totally agree. I have gone down the path of serious quality components. Together they bring out special aspects of the recording, the life of the playback and the listening that make it a real feel good experience. John
  2. Assisi

    ML2 Stands: What Height should they be?

    @custom_made Like others I have been waiting for the isolation platforms that Mike was considering developing. When I started my audio journey approx 8 years ago my first step was my ML2 Ltds speakers. They were by far the best part of my then system which was based around a Yamaha Z11 AVR. Six different amps, 4 DACS etc plus much more later, the speakers unfortunately are the weakest part of my system. The speakers are very special to me as they are one offs. They just are not up to the electronics that I now have. Reluctantly I now know that I have to go another step which will be very expensive. I am not yet ready for that step. Everything I do to improve the performance of my system is focused on other aspects particularly power treatment. So springs are not a high priority as I know they will not do enough to match the rest of the system. @075Congo In Melbourne there is the Dame Elisabeth Murdoch - Melbourne Recital Centre. It is very close to tram tracks and trams. To isolate the impact of the trams and vibrations, my understanding is the that entire Centre is suspended on gigantic springs to mitigate the impact of the passing trams. John
  3. Assisi

    ML2 Stands: What Height should they be?

    @Somethingclever Enough to give me apoplexy. The springs were some that Mike uses for isolation platforms for amps etc that he makes. There were four springs per speaker. Maybe they were a bit overrated for the experiment. Nevertheless, because of the weight of ML2 Ltds there was a high degree of compression. When you use springs in this way to reduce or remove unwanted frequencies it is absolutely essential to get the springs placed precisely to ensure that the oscillations of the unit are up and down only with no wave movement or wobble whatsoever. As well the timing of the oscillations is critical. Nice and slow and long lasting over time. The weight distribution (centre of gravity) of the bottom of the speakers is not exactly centred. So, it took Mike quiet awhile to get the placement of the springs exact. Until the springs were in the correct position a push down to test the oscillation cycle resulted in a wobble like a soft jelly. Very scary. Even when the springs were correct a slight sideways push may have tipped a speaker off the stand. Eventually the springs were correct and some music played. There was a benefit. I was much happier though when the springs came out. It was crude way of testing the benefit of isolation. I can live without the benefit. Mike’s visit resulted in a benefit as he fitted some Dueland silver bypass caps to the cross overs. I didn’t take pictures. Mike did talk about making isolation platforms to go between the top of the stand and the base of the ML2 speaker. That I assume is still work in progress. John
  4. Assisi

    ML2 Stands: What Height should they be?

    I “designed” my own stands. The initial top of the stands was 60 cm above the floor. My floor is a parquetry. So, to protect the floor I attached small Teflon gliders. Now I use Finite Elemente Cerabase Classic Footers (No longer Available – Wonderful though – A poor man’s Stillpoint). They add another 5cm to the height plus a benefit sound wise. The stands are top and bottom steel plates and three 7.5 cm square steel legs each filled with basalt rock dust and lumps of lead solder. The two back legs are close together and the corner of each legs faces forward. The stands are 55kg approx. They cost approx. $600 for the steel, cutting and welding. The overall weight and the feet do make a contribution to the final result. Mike was complimentary about the stands when he saw them awhile back. The last time he visited me we tried springs between the top of the stands and the speakers. There was a definite benefit but there was no way I could cope with the speakers wobbling around like jelly. I cannot comment upon springs under the stands. The thought of nearly 100kg wobbling around is very scary indeed. John
  5. Assisi

    High end bookshelf around $2K - $4K

    He is to some of us actually a speaker whisperer in both aesthetics of build quality and sound outcome. John
  6. @sloper @Eskay There is some validity in the perspective that you both have in terms of relative proportionality. However your perspectives could be applied to an ordinate amount of different lifestyle choices today. For example just one, motor vehicles. How do we work out what is and or is not going too far?
  7. @Kaynin & @Ittaku The two quotes above say it all. I consider that there cannot be a simple answer or an agreed position on the question of: “Do we get good value for money when buying high end HI FI” Each of us will have different perspective on what is value for money and as well what is high end. The whole matter of relative affordability is paramount. I consider that I do get value for money with the components in my system albeit at a considerable investment cost. An important question is whether the price of a particular product is reasonable or completely over the top in the context of the supposed quality. Who knows. The SQ outcome from my now relatively expensive equipment provides a definitely beneficial outcome than that I would get from lower priced equipment. I know this for a fact because of the upgrades I have gone through as I have moved up the food chain. I also know for a fact that if I doubled the combined value of purchases and select well, that I would get an even more beneficial outcome. However, the law of diminishing returns always prevails. Unfortunately, I cannot afford doubling the value of my investment to find out the answer as to how much better the outcome would be. One day. John
  8. @woolltmoof Hi Kirk, The thread to me is about “Which has provided the biggest positive impact in your setup . . . DAC upgrades or Amplifier upgrades”? The person who asked the question noted later that the system included speakers (not headphones nor the headphone amp that you were using.) You noted in your post that with headphones that you “…..seriously can't tell the difference between any…..” of the DACS that you tested. Difference is one thing benefit is another. If you did not detect a difference than you probably did not perceive a benefit. I am really talking about a benefit to the SQ. My point was that there will be a or should be a differential benefit if there is a variation in the relative quality of DAC. Mind you, to me price is an indicator but no an absolute of quality and not just In DACs. As one does up the food chain you should get benefits. It is definitely not a doubling or tripling etc of improvement though. As you note, the law of diminishing returns always prevails. I am certain that there will be a noticeable differential benefit between a $1k and a $20K DAC as long as everything in the chain is appropriate. I mentioned source and in the context of this thread the DAC is the source. The perception of what comprises the source can vary. Before the DAC I consider that the quality of the power is fundamental to the final outcome. To it comes before everything else. That is a matter for another thread though. I still would recommend the DAC as first step before the amplifier. There is no vinyl in my system. My sources are a mix of NAS, server, network player and a DAC. It may not be possible to get something sounding 10X better or even higher. You will know though what sounds seriously better when you hear a system comprising well-matched hiend expensive components properly setup in the right environment. Unfortunately, it is only something that most of us can only aspire to and dream about John
  9. There is no simple answer to this question. All systems should start with the quality of the speakers. To me, the better the better because that is what you are going to judge the everything else from. Many posters in this thread have suggested the Amps Vs the DAC. Because of finances, none or most of us cannot implement all the appropriate components in the context of relative quality in a system at the same time. Therefore, you need a strategic perspective. My Logic, intuition and experience tells me that it is best to go with source first after the speakers. If the source is relatively lower quality to the rest of the components in terms of quality/performance, they are not going to compensate or improve upon what comes from the source. I would rather know that the start and the finish of my system are right in the first instance and I can fix the middle later as finances allow. It is about the potential over time. I know that @Sir Sanders Zingmore Trevor, likes to be able to negate my references to wine and wine making. Nevertheless, an analogy to me is that you cannot make a good or excellent wine out of bad grapes. It all starts in the vineyard, the source. Mind you, you can make a poor wine out good grapes with poor skills. @woolltmoof I am not aware at all of the DACs that you mention that provided no audible difference. I did a search and discovered that they received positive comments. They may be fine at a price point. As well I note that the OP may be in the market for something that you mention given the rest of his system. I do wonder what your reaction would be if you tried DACs that cost 10X. 20X, or even 50X the price, as to what your perception would be. You may be surprised just may be able to hear differences between various high quality DAC sources. John
  10. Assisi

    USB Cable

    @Snoopy8 To me this is good advice. Ultimately do not rely or base your ventures upon the opinions or details of others and their respective experiences. To me there is no definitive or agreed outcome to this discussion and others like it and there never can be. It is always the same yes it does provide a benefit Vs not it can’t. To me the question is whether there ever will be an answer? We are all individuals with different hearing, our system components and their relative quality vary, the rooms are different, the respective cables utilised and importantly the implementation of the USB sending and receiving protocols and the quality in our components are different. How can there ever be consensus? To some there is no benefit and to others there are benefits using expensive USB or other accessories. The fall back position always from those who say that there is no benefit is to say to those who say that there is a benefit is always the same. That unless the perceived or experienced beneficial outcome result is then subject to the proverbial DBT it is not valid. John
  11. @Ittaku That was what I thought you were alluding to . I am well aware of delusional perspectives. At least once it has been said that I was delusional. Just look at the thread on Audio Myths and Misconceptions and the number of times the word delusional is used including by the OP. I was being naughty asking you the question. My apologies. @davewantsmoore So, filtering and or DSP are internally fundamental to the operation of a DAC. The one I have now and the one before it and the one before that and the list goes on all do it internally. In only one of them could I choose a filter. I never did. None of them had user control of the DSP that I am aware of. I use Roon and I did on a couple of times experiment with DSP. There was a difference but I am not sure that there was a benefit, so I turned it off. Dave you have taught me about the distinction between a difference and a benefit. I now know that many things are different but not necessarily beneficial. I have very good components so what I hear is definitely wonderful without adding extra processing. As I said I am becoming focused towards less is more The question is filtering and or DSP external to a good quality DAC with serious internal implementation, of a benefit and if so to what extent, what are the processing overheads and can there be an impact on the final result? John
  12. @Ittaku , Who of us is deluded or is it all of us? I read this thread so I might learn something but the complexity of filters and the explanations thereof etc is beyond me so far. Thats fine to me though. In a system comprising quality components that compliment each other is filtering and DSP necessary? You should be able to answer this. I have found that as the integral components in my system improve in quality the other add-ons and accessories often become superfluous to the final out come. In fact there can be a dis benefit and less is better. John
  13. @Nada Can you explain more? John
  14. @MLXXX No! Keep participating. To me this thread is a respectful discussion. It is an example of how a few other discussions on SNA could be conducted so that we all can learn from the knowledge that is out there. It is also an example how to amicably agree to disagree. This in contrast to the threads that become a series of stand offs, put downs or supercilious comments that go too far, posts are deleted or a thread is put under moderator watch and in some cases members banned. John
  15. @rmpfyf @MLXXX I have found the good will shown by both of you plus your respective level of knowledge on this subject to be commendable. John