metal beat Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) The wow and flutter measurements tell the tale. 0.1% for the pioneer. 0.01% for the technics. Get the facts right Mark seems that specific detailed measurements might be a thing of the past as DJ's are interested in high torque /tempo control etc. 0.1% or less WRMS (JIS WTD) or from the Hanpin web site, less than 0.1% Edited October 28, 2014 by metal beat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damhooligan Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 (edited) As for the wrms jis thingo's, I found this youtube video, unfortunately in the language of rammstein. (Hopefully it's stil entertaining to watch.) It shows the effects of it in practise ; to watch please go to the 13 min mark. It follows by showing the differences between analogue pitch control of the technics and the digital pitch of the pioneer. The guy also mentioned hanpin, and although there is no confirmation of what is what. He reckons that pioneer developed the casing and the tonearm (and he speaks a bit too quickly to figure out what else he thinks pioneer developed/changed)but expects that the motor is hanpin. So he believes it to be a bit of both , a bit of hanpin and a bit of pioneer. Edited October 28, 2014 by Damhooligan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxspl Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Yeah...high torque may be more important to a dj than speed stability. The pioneers should be more speed stable than the Stantons though....they can only manage wow and flutter 0.2% wrms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Interesting review of the Pioneer from Steve Guttenberg who can review. http://www.cnet.com/news/pioneer-plx-1000-a-dj-turntable-an-audiophile-can-love/ He seemed to like it a lot better than the VPI Traveller and different to the SL-1200 I am strangely attracted to it Edited November 10, 2014 by metal beat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damhooligan Posted November 10, 2014 Author Share Posted November 10, 2014 Nice read, thanks for sharing metal beat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hochopeper Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 So has anyone tried one of these yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wikeeboy Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I just couldn't do it. Can't back an imitator, it's the 1200 or nothing if you're dj'ing. The heritage, feel, reliability, look... I dj'ed with mine (mk11's) for 15 years and they never skipped a beat. Ended up selling them second hand for more than i paid originally before buying some of the last Sl1210 M5G's. Yep, they're slim pickings but you still have guys like Ricardo Vilalobos championing vinyl only. It takes a millisecond to work out what a dj is using when you step in a club. Most dj's these days are using crappy mp3's, sound is awful. You can tell straight away when vinyl is being used. There is a growing movement again in Melbourne for vinyl only, and there are some big name dj's that still carry the torch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hochopeper Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Not clear, did you try out the plx1000 and not like it or just see no need to change your existing setup? I'm coming from a home playback only (no djing) perspective. Ive got a Project 1.2 and thinking about this as a step forward. I'm also trying to work out if what Pioneer is marketing as improvements made to the arm (lining) are actually any different to the original technics design or what's offered by others based on hanpin OEM design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 From the couple of reviews I have read , sonically it is just as good or better sounding Not sure as a dj deck thou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damhooligan Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 An interesting review, including a look inside the tt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Yes, an interesting build quality review. Technics had better build quality. Pity he never actually listened to the table. Perhaps in part 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eltech Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 If you can trust the cnet review, the Pioneer sounds worthy of audition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mac Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Some interesting pics showing that the Pioneer does indeed appear to share the same Hanpin 'super OEM' underpinnings as the other Technics-style direct drive turntables on the market. The top row is the Stanton T120C (older model) and the ST150 (a revised model). The bottom row are the latest generation super-OEMs - the Pioneer PLX1000 and the Reloop RP-8000. Apart from minor tweaks and reconfigurations due to individual features on each model, they share the same basic underpinnings and motor design. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Supposedly reviewed in the latest Stereophile. I guess someone has actually listened to it. Not sure who did the review. Quote below Dont know why, but I want one "Pioneer's new PLX-1000 is not only a worthy successor the the legendary Technics SL-1200MK2, it is a serious contender for the best audiophile-grade turntable for less than $2000. Unabashedly recommended." Edited March 14, 2015 by metal beat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juicester Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Supposedly reviewed in the latest Stereophile. I guess someone has actually listened to it. Not sure who did the review. Quote below Dont know why, but I want one Me too. Herbert Reichert. The cart he used cost more than the deck a Soundsmith Carmen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saad Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) . Edited May 25, 2015 by saad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hochopeper Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 If you want one I can get you one for around $590... The cart or the TT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damhooligan Posted February 28, 2015 Author Share Posted February 28, 2015 If you want one I can get you one for around $590... Define 'one' please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saad Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 The TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damhooligan Posted March 1, 2015 Author Share Posted March 1, 2015 New? Second hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkmail Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 If you want one I can get you one for around $590... Please provide more details on the pricing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saad Posted March 1, 2015 Share Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) . Edited May 25, 2015 by saad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunchieTey Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) AS a bit of a vinyl newbie, these look pretty good to me due to their robustness and the direct drive. I also like the solid construction and lid as I have a baby daughter who may one day want to 'spin the pretty wheel' I have been looking at project turntables, rega pl1 etc and they sure look nice but feel flimsy to me against the Pioneer. Am I crazy considering this unit for a 'first' turntable? I have used plenty of vinyl as a kid in the 80's but have had little experience with it except for the odd occaision I get to hear a nice system with vinyl and wish I had a nice collection too! I imagine the cartridge isn't exactly great and can be upgraded to something nicer down the track but for playing some nice 80's pop albums etc will this do them justice? I also like the no belt thing and have an idea in my head I can make a nice cartridge upgrade and keep this for a rather long time? DJ stuff is usually pretty bulletproof and withstands teenagers and hatchback seats for transport as well as drunken idiots trying to 'mix'. I also love the look and blue pretty lights haha Edited March 2, 2015 by LunchieTey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damhooligan Posted March 2, 2015 Author Share Posted March 2, 2015 Hi lunchie You are not crazy for considering this. I never owned a tt until recently. I bought a technics put purely for nostalgia, otherwise this one would be a serious contender. And yes, the light are pretty.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saad Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I was gonna buy a Project or Rega, but when I had a look at one in the shop, they were just so flimsy, so light, and I was told that being me, I wouldn't be happy with a $1500 turntable. So I bought a Technics 1210! I think with some mods and a good cartridge, it should compare to 1500-2000 dollar turntables new? I'm also gonna be getting myself a Pioneer PLX 1000. Firstly so I can compare it to the technics, and secondly I wanna get two for DJing, and sell my Stantons - purely because the Pioneers look so sexy though! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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