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Sonica DAC Cancelled (Unofficial)

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Today I was informed by a reputable Hi-Fi dealer that Oppo is totally pulling the Sonica DAC from the market. No product will be shipped in Australia and customers overseas who are in possession of units shipped to date will be supported by future firmware updates.


I am hoping that it is a big practical joke or something (already confirmed that it is not 1st April - LOL) but I have no reason to doubt this guy. So now (if this is indeed a true story) I have to decide whether or not to wait for the UDP-205 or go now with something like the Cambridge CXN.


I’m not overly concerned about paying more for the 205 but am now wondering about the whole “Oppo” situation given this alleged outcome with the Sonica DAC. I have certainly read a lot of good feedback in regard to the CXN both on this forum and elsewhere.


What do you guys think – go with the Cambridge CXN now or wait for the Oppo UDP-205? My primary method of playing music will be via USB connected 2TB WD portable HDD – which worked flawlessly when using my BDP-105D.

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Hold on, surely you were given a reason as to why its being pulled? Is it just not being made available in Australia or being canned worldwide?

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Just keep on the Australian site to check availability....don't believe gossip until it's made official by the local distributor. 

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14 minutes ago, Hydrology said:

Hold on, surely you were given a reason as to why its being pulled? Is it just not being made available in Australia or being canned worldwide?

 

The Oppo distributor told him that they were having way too much trouble getting the software right and I'm 99% sure that he also said it was being pulled worldwide.

 

No doubt all will become clear in the next day or so when / if Oppo makes an announcement - I'm still hoping that it's a false rumour but, as I previously mentioned, I have no reason to doubt the guy.

 

As for my next move, I've done some more reading and the Cambridge CXN is looking like the strongest contender. I'll take my portable HDD into the dealership this weekend to try a few of my FLAC / AIFF / DSF / DFF files. If all goes well I'll show them the money.

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Fark!

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Nothing official as yet but Oppo Digital Australia has removed the Sonica Dac from the web site menus. Funnily enough, a google search still links to the page - LOL. It's hard to get good I.T. help these days ....

 

https://www.oppodigital.com.au/products/oppo-sonica-dac-black

 

 

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28 minutes ago, PeteD said:

Nothing official as yet but Oppo Digital Australia has removed the Sonica Dac from the web site menus. Funnily enough, a google search still links to the page - LOL. It's hard to get good I.T. help these days ....

 

https://www.oppodigital.com.au/products/oppo-sonica-dac-black

 

 

Page not found, it might be in your cache

 

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3 minutes ago, SteveC said:

Page not found, it might be in your cache

 

 

 

Ah yes of course - I always forget about that pesky cache, thanks :)

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Posted (edited)

Can confirm this is true, was close to buying one as I keep tabs with my connections in the US, Hong Kong and Taiwan and confirmed it with a distributor manager that it is pulled from reaching retailers/distributors till Oppo rectifies software/firmware issues.

 

Cheers,

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Wow that's massive, by doing that they are also admitting guilt over the 203.

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Posted (edited)

 

Just went to OPPO site..........http://www.oppodigital.com/sonica-dac/

 

Went through the motions of buying one right up to checkout without a hitch.

 

If this rumour was true then surely OPPO's OWN site would be the first to pull it from sale. 

 

Also a bit strange that Googling this brings up NOTHING..............just this SNA Thread!!!!

 

Anyway..........I have sent an Email to OPPO and will post back here with their reply. 

 

 

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I just went online to Oppo Australia site and asked about it in the chat box that comes up about buying one.

They say it is not released here yet and took my email if any news of release dates come up.

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47 minutes ago, JohnL said:

 

Just went to OPPO site..........http://www.oppodigital.com/sonica-dac/

 

Went through the motions of buying one right up to checkout without a hitch.

 

If this rumour was true then surely OPPO's OWN site would be the first to pull it from sale. 

 

Also a bit strange that Googling this brings up NOTHING..............just this SNA Thread!!!!

 

Anyway..........I have sent an Email to OPPO and will post back here with their reply. 

 

 

 

 

In the U.S. they might be selling all of their run-out stock before closing the shop on the Sonica DAC. I was told they we can expect an official announcement by the end of this week.

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2 minutes ago, rocky500 said:

I just went online to Oppo Australia site and asked about it in the chat box that comes up about buying one.

They say it is not released here yet and took my email if any news of release dates come up.

 

 

Yeah hahahaha - that guy who operates the Chat desk on the Oppo Digital Australian site is not allowed to say anything until the official announcement is made in the next day or two. Ask him why the Sonica DAC no longer appears anywhere on the site - LOL.

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So here is OPPO's official response to my Email below regarding the status of their Sonica DAC..........

 

 

John,

 

This would be news to us. We have not stopped selling or producing the Sonica DAC.

 

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.

162 Constitution Dr.

Menlo Park, CA 94025

[email protected]
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119

 



Note: Hi,

There is a rumour circulating that your Sonica DAC has been pulled from the market until software/firmware issues can be addressed.

Could you please confirm or deny this?

Regards,

John

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48 minutes ago, JohnL said:

So here is OPPO's official response to my Email below regarding the status of their Sonica DAC..........

 

 

John,

 

This would be news to us. We have not stopped selling or producing the Sonica DAC.

 

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.

162 Constitution Dr.

Menlo Park, CA 94025

[email protected]
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119

 



Note: Hi,

There is a rumour circulating that your Sonica DAC has been pulled from the market until software/firmware issues can be addressed.

Could you please confirm or deny this?

Regards,

John

 

 

Fair enough, but it's a different story in Australia - oppodigital.com and oppodigital.com.au are totally different entities. So, if one was to purchase a Sonica DAC from the U.S. would the unit have to be modified in any way because of the different voltages - or is that automatically taken care in power supply design of these days?  

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4 hours ago, PeteD said:

 

Fair enough, but it's a different story in Australia - oppodigital.com and oppodigital.com.au are totally different entities. So, if one was to purchase a Sonica DAC from the U.S. would the unit have to be modified in any way because of the different voltages - or is that automatically taken care in power supply design of these days?  

 

http://www.oppodigital.com/sonica-dac/sonica-dac-Images.aspx

 

check the image on the rear.   See where the IEC is there is a red switch to select between the 240 50hz -120V 60hz.  

this is on the OPPO  105 too.

 

all you need do is change this selection and make sure it's 240V.   

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thathifiguy

 

I thought it was a pretty good review, close to glowing but recognised shortfalls as well as advantadges.

I do expect to see a debate on using this or a 105/205 OPPO.

I also await any comparison with other streaming DAC's that cost up to US$1200 (50% higher than the SONICA).

 

That said, I am not in the market for such an item - I continue to use a 103D with HDMI out (PCM these days) into my Anthem MRX720 receiver.

 

Benje

 

ps  I feel for PeteD.  he has been keen to be up to date, in Australia.

I recall how long the original OPPO 83 took to be available.  Was that mid 2009?  That was pre-Merlin in Canberra, and involved some shocking modder experience (region-free mod)  in the USA.

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1 hour ago, Benje said:

ps  I feel for PeteD.  he has been keen to be up to date, in Australia.

I recall how long the original OPPO 83 took to be available.  Was that mid 2009?  That was pre-Merlin in Canberra, and involved some shocking modder experience (region-free mod)  in the USA.

 
 
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Thanks for the mention Benje. I picked up a new Cambridge CXN yesterday - happy with it so far.  The Internet radio thing (thousands of stations) is really cool and the player reads & displays my large collection of FLAC / AIFF / DSF / DFF files very quickly. It hasn't failed to play any of the files I have fed it so far. However, I am prepared for this acquisition to be temporary because, at the end of the day, I really loved the BDP-105D and regret selling it. Who would have predicted the outcome with the Sonica DAC ?!

 

I paid $1,378 for the CXN and figure I should be able to easily sell it for $1,000 in 6-12 months.  By that time the UDP-205 will have been in the market for long enough for the jury to have returned a verdict. For Oppo, I strongly suggest that the release of the 205 will be a watershed moment for the company. It had better be a show stopper is all I can say.

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1 hour ago, PeteD said:

Who would have predicted the outcome with the Sonica DAC ?!

 

What outcome? Nothing has been confirmed yet.

We even have an email response from Oppo USA saying they know nothing of the rumour.

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Spoke to Wing who runs the Minidisc shop in Chatswood, he confirmed that the sonica dac from oppo has been pulled from the market in Australia 

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12 minutes ago, Neo said:

Spoke to Wing who runs the Minidisc shop in Chatswood, he confirmed that the sonica dac from oppo has been pulled from the market in Australia 

Neo

 

 

Yeah - they will still be available in the U.S. and other markets that Oppo believes are worth servicing. It still confuses me as to why they would be so selective - if they going to keep shipping blu-ray players and headphone amps then why not the Sonica DAC, which doesn't even get a chance to prove itself here as far as Consumer interest goes.

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      Ergonomically, this little bugger is brilliant: 8.6" (215mm) high by 2" (52mm) wide by 7.6" (191mm) deep when you place it on end on its rubbery bed. It weighs just 2.65 lbs (1.2kg). Squeeze it in next to your Slim Devices Squeezebox. Or your Sony PlayStation 3. One reason it takes up so little space is that it comes with a humongous wall-wart power supply so big it could conceivably fall out of a loose socket.
      IKEA carries some nice, small power strips, and there are other accessories for dealing with awkward wall warts. I'd beware of power strips and conditioners, however, which, in my experience, are as likely to screw up as enhance the sound. I can imagine some British entrepreneurs offering alternative power supplies for the DacMagic. There's an On/Off switch, but the DacMagic sounds much better when left powered up most of the time. (Do turn it and the rest of your hi-fi off when you leave for a weekend or a vacation, and when electrical storms are forecast.)
      The DacMagic has a suggested selling price of $449. That allows Audio Advisor to sell it for $399 and "save" you $50. When you consider that, 20 years ago, one of the first DACs, the Musical Fidelity Digilog, sold for $995, this is a fantastic bargain. (I calculated that I could save more than $16,500 by buying every product in a recent Audio Advisor catalog. Hallelujah! I'm rich!)
      The DacMagic features the Adaptive Time Filtering (ATF) process, which Cambridge licenses from Anagram Technologies of Switzerland. ATF is built around a 32-bit Texas Instruments digital signal processor that "upsamples" the signal fed to it. Upsampling creates additional digital data points out of thin air. They're not real, of course—except that they are. (I love to razz JA about this upsampling business.) The DacMagic upsamples to 24 bits/192kHz any incoming sample rate at 16 or 24 bits of resolution and from 32 to 96kHz.
      The D/A chips are the same Wolfson WMB8740 24-bit DACs used in Cambridge Audio's Azur 740C and 840C CD players. Two per channel operate in dual-differential mode for maximum noise reduction. You can run the DacMagic from its balanced XLR analog outputs into a balanced preamp and power amp for maximum noise cancellation. There's also a pair of RCA outs, for unbalanced types like me.
      The DacMagic also features a phase-inversion button. It would be great to have this accessible from the remote control. But wait—there is no remote. Oh, well. A child might be trained and pressed into service. Two digital inputs allow a choice of connection via S/PDIF coaxial or TosLink optical. And there's a USB input for use with a computer or a networked music source.
      The rear panel of the DacMagic is almost as crowded as my shaving shelf. It also includes S/PDIF coaxial and TosLink optical digital outputs for connecting to a digital recording device; these do nothing to the incoming digital signal, but simply pass it through.
      If you keep reading the instruction manual, your eyes, if they don't glaze over, will come to a long discussion of the three different analog filter modes: Linear Phase, Minimum Phase, and Steep. I wonder how many potential users will be scared away by Bramblearia. Actually, selecting the filters is simple: just tap the Phase button quickly (if you hold it down, the DacMagic reverses phase). Front-panel LEDs indicate the filter type selected.
      You may want to stick with Linear Phase as your default. The technical advantage here is no phase shift within the audioband, and a sharp rolloff at about half the sampling frequency. Minimum Phase does almost the same thing and sounds, to me, virtually identical.
      An interesting alternative is the Steep filter, which is like Linear Phase but with a steeper rolloff above 20kHz. Steep is said to attenuate aliasing at 22kHz by 80dB. But there's no free lunch; Steep adds a small amount of passband ripple. So pick your poison: aliasing or passband ripple. Already your eyes have glazed over, and you don't even own the thing.
      I tried switching between Linear Phase and Steep, playing one movement of a symphony straight through using each. (I had no child handy to act as remote control, and Marina was off watching one of her Russian prime-time serials.) Linear Phase gave a lighter, airier, more transparent sound, with extended highs and better-defined bass. Steep attenuated the highs in comparison, taming the top end of some more aggressive recordings, but bass definition and overall clarity suffered. The sound was more blended, slightly congested—something I noticed more with symphonic recordings than with string quartets. As for Minimum Phase, I didn't hear it do anything that Linear Phase didn't do.
      Other than that, I've so far avoided the subject of how the DacMagic sounded. In a word, it sounded glorious—far better than you have any right to expect for 400 bucks. Especially in Linear Phase, I heard well-defined bass, exquisitely extended highs, and a natural midrange. The soundstage was admirably wide, and soloists and their instruments were precisely positioned. What more do you want?
      Well, you might ask for an even wider, deeper soundstage and more gut-wrenching bass. It's possible that power-supply limitations kick in here, but for $400, who's complaining? And you might wish that if Cambridge (or someone) does offer an optional kick-ass power supply, it doesn't have to hang from a wall socket. And a remote control would be nice.
      If you're looking for the romance of tubes, that's not on offer here. Try the DacMagic with a tubed line stage. I thought that Musical Fidelity's X-10DV3tube buffer might work wonders. After all, Bramble used to ramble at MF. I have one of these. I put the X-10DV3 between the DacMagic and the LFD NCSE integrated amplifier. I got tube warmth in spades, but with more than a slight loss of transparency, which shows how resolving the DacMagic is.
      You probably own an older, sturdier CD player that will do jim-dandy as a transport with the DacMagic. I used a Marantz CD63 SE that's almost 15 years old. Digital cable was Analysis Plus Oval (which I recommended last October).
      If you have a really great CD player—such as Cambridge Audio's own 740C or 840C or Cary Audio's CDP 1—you're probably looking at a sideways change in sound, at best. Enjoy what you have. Meanwhile, I'm keeping the Cambridge Audio DacMagic.
      Sidebar 1: Specifications
      Description: Two-channel, oversampling D/A processor with Wolfson WM8740 24-bit DACs and Texas Instruments TMS 320VC5501 digital filter. Digital inputs: S/PDIF coaxial or TosLink optical, USB. Digital input sampling frequencies supported 44.1kHz, 48kHz (32kHz, 88.2kHz, 96kHz, S/PDIF only). Digital outputs: S/PDIF coaxial and TosLink optical. Analog outputs: balanced (XLR), single-ended (RCA). Frequency response: 20Hz to 20kHz ±0.1dB. THD (1kHz, 0dBFS, 24-bit data): <0.001%. S/N Ratio: 112dB. Total correlated jitter: <130ps. Channel separation: >100dB at 1kHz, >90dB at 20kHz. Output impedance: <50ohms. Maximum output level: 2.1V RMS (unbalanced), 4.2V RMS (balanced).
      Dimensions: 2" (52mm) H by 8.6" (215mm) W by 7.6" (191mm) D. Weight: 2.6lbs (1.2kg).

      Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/content/cambridge-audio-azur-dacmagic-da-converter-specifications#EuU8jGKZu0xDutGJ.99
       
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    • By BATMAQN
      Item: Gieseler Klein DAC
      Location: ACT
      Price: $550 posted or $520 local pickup
      Item Condition: Excellent
      Reason for selling: The worst reason, having another DAC that's just a little bit better.
      Payment Method: Pickup - Cash, Paypal, COD Only
      Extra Info: I love this thing it's made in Australia and Clay really does make a quality product sound and build wise I put this up against my Ref 7.1 which probably wasn't a fair thing to do but it was close the main reason it lost my little comparison exercise were the inputs the Ref has a few more options, if I had the space for a second system I'd keep it.
      Plenty of info on this site about these (if you haven't come across it yet)
      Will come with the standard power pack supplied by Clay and be assured it will be packed safely for postage.
       
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    • By adamg
      Item: Wyred 4 Sound DAC-1 with femto clock upgrade
      Location: Sth Gold Coast
      Price: $600 Firm (incl. delivery within metropolitan Australia - would also help out if you are further afield). 
      Item Condition: Excellent. Not a mark on it.
      Reason for selling: Going to have a change.
      Payment Method: Pickup - Cash, Paypal (+ any fees), COD Only
      Extra Info:  DAC was purchased new from Deep Hz Audio about 18 months old with Femto clock upgrade which cost an additional $300. I decided on the DAC-1 with upgrade over the DAC-2 as I didn't need the pre-amp or other features and by all accounts SQ is pretty close between the two. The USB on this unit is limited to 24/96 but goes higher over coaxial (and toslink I assume). Non-DSD version too.
      I've really enjoyed this DAC but thought I would have a change. I think there is some transferable warranty.
      Here is an old review of the DAC-1. There is more info out there on the DAC-2 which will give you a good idea of performance.
      Here is the W4S link including features and specification. This is for the current V2 model although the features list seems identical other than higher resolution over USB.
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    • By thesnodger
      Item: Antelope Zen Tour USB/Thunderbolt audio interface DAC/ADC with on-board FX
      Location: LNS Sydney
      Price: $2000
      Item Condition: almost BNIB! - been trying it out last 3 days
      Reason for selling: Total overkill for what I need
      Payment Method: Pickup - Cash, Paypal, COD Only
      Extra Info: This is an almost brand new unit, I only got it this week, but after playing with it for a few days I realise it's WAY too much for what I need. Therefore I am going to get an Audient id22 instead which now (in hindsight) looks more simpler and suitable for my needs!
      This unit get universally excellent reviews, if I thought I would use all the extra features I would keep it but I know I won't. The price offered here is way under Aussie retail.
      http://en.antelopeaudio.com/products/zen-tour/
       
      Antelope Audio Zen Tour Features:
      Pro Guitar Interface A clean front end with zero-latency monitoring and Overloud amp modeling give guitar and bass players access to great recorded tones without the amp and the mic. Most Mic/Line Channels Multiple mic preamps and line/DI inputs equip Antelope Audio consoles for real-world recording applications: drums, full bands/orchestras, etc. Lowest Latency Thunderbolt's unmatched round-trip speed reduces latency to imperceptible amounts. The result is a near-analog recording experience for both the producer and the artist. Advanced Remote Apps Apps for Mac, Windows, iOS, and Android control Antelope Audio interfaces remotely from any device on your network. World-class Clocking Any product worthy of the Antelope Audio name must have exceptional clocking. Extremely low jitter gives this unit Antelope's vivid depth and three-dimensionality. Realistic Vintage Effects Hardware-based Pultec-style EQ and AuraVerb reverb are just some of the effects that come standard in Antelope's included FPGA suite.  
      FPGA latency-free engine powers modeled vintage guitar gear, EQs, compressors, and reverb Cutting-edge mastering-quality output DACs with 129dB dynamic range 4 hi-Z/line inputs 4 mic preamps/line inputs 2 stereo monitor outputs with A/B switching 1 talkback mic 2 ADAT ins/outs 1 S/PDIF I/O 2 headphone outputs 2 Reamp outputs Thunderbolt/USB connectivity Remote apps for Mac/PC and iOS/Android
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