rantan Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Citroen said: . BTW, what the hell is a tumeric latte? Sounds bloody awful... It's a hipster thing and it tastes terrible. When I was in Sydney last year a mate of my bro' shouted me one. I was polite and finished it,but never again BTW tumeric is a wonderful spice and no decent Korma or Vindaloo should exist without it, but with a latte? No way. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share Posted March 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Citroen said: Vinyl mainstream? You've got to be joking. Mainstream among audiophiles, baby boomers with nostalgic eyes/ears and 26 year old hipsters that don't even own a turntable, maybe. Vinyl sales may be increasing with the above populations, but the average Joe Public seems to still buy cds, downloads/streams or mostly just listens to the radio. BTW, what the hell is a tumeric latte? Sounds bloody awful... I dont know citroen, that little shopping centre doesnt seem to have a CD shop.... but a vinyl one ... yes turmeric is quite an amazing thing medicinally ...going back to ancient times... ... so no doubt people wanting to coat their innards with goodness while downing a coffee... I couldn't think of anything worse as a combination and rather have my turmeric in curries and marinated meats and things... but hey ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stump Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Supply and Demand! With 60% of last years vinyl sales remain unopened by collectors just think of the mint bargains that will come up for you long term vinyl fans when demand drops off and the cycle repeats itself. stump 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citroen Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Tumeric and chicken - YES. Tumeric and coffee? WTF. I'm a vinyl fan(atic). As much as I wish it was mainstream, at least in NZ its still a fringe/specialist product (albeit a growing one, just as electric cars are more popular but still on the far edges of being anything like mainstream. Despite the Tesla stores) IMHO. Edited March 10, 2017 by Citroen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclemack Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 50 minutes ago, Stump said: Supply and Demand! With 60% of last years vinyl sales remain unopened by collectors just think of the mint bargains that will come up for you long term vinyl fans when demand drops off and the cycle repeats itself. stump Great way to ensure the longevity of 2nd hand record stores... M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joz Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 15 hours ago, Citroen said: Vinyl mainstream? You've got to be joking. Mainstream among audiophiles, baby boomers with nostalgic eyes/ears and 26 year old hipsters that don't even own a turntable, maybe. Vinyl sales may be increasing with the above populations, but the average Joe Public seems to still buy cds, downloads/streams or mostly just listens to the radio. BTW, what the hell is a tumeric latte? Sounds bloody awful... Yes I was joking, the exact point you just made! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Hall Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 It is good to see Records back in places like JB HiFi again but some of the so called TT's they sell are laughable. My local one has basic,ProJect's and Sherwoods hidden away at the back but prominently displayed they have these combined units featuring a TT , AMP and speakers on spindly wooden legs which look LIKE a TV from the early 1960s . The actual records will sound shite on rubbish like that. Anyway just my thoughts and as ever YMMV.Sent from my F1f using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hergest Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Saxon Hall said: It is good to see Records back in places like JB HiFi again but some of the so called TT's they sell are laughable. My local one has basic,ProJect's and Sherwoods hidden away at the back but prominently displayed they have these combined units featuring a TT , AMP and speakers on spindly wooden legs which look LIKE a TV from the early 1960s . The actual records will sound shite on rubbish like that. Anyway just my thoughts and as ever YMMV. Sent from my F1f using Tapatalk While I don't disagree with you at all, my first record player around 1974 was the cheapest thing I could find and afford with paper round money , a Thorn/EMI record player and radio. BSR changer deck that you could stack 6 records on, sapphire stylus that you would flick over to play 78s. External speakers that were one 6 inch oval driver in a thin plywood box and hardwired with stuff as thin as cotton. I loved it though as it introduced me to a world of music. I'm sure it would sound horrendous now but at the time it didn't matter which I'm sure would be the case for people who buy those cheap USB units. The thing is as well, those records I played on the dreadful BSR sound damn good now on my decent equipment so records are more robust than we give them credit for and just because the new cheap ones are, well, cheap, doesn't mean they will trash records. Edited March 11, 2017 by Hergest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citroen Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 6 hours ago, joz said: Yes I was joking, the exact point you just made! yeah, I know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Johnny Heathen Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Mainstream? I dunno. It's certainly more visable, more available and more people are buying - but we're still the 1%-ers of the music scene... My generation are all streaming to Bluetooth as far as I can tell. Teens are buying records they'll never play to aid in getting laid. Nothing new under the sun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevoz Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 In one week leading up to Xmas in Britain there was more money spent on Vinyl than there was on digital streaming......sounds pretty mainstream to me. It doesn't really matter if 'hipsters' are buying and not playing, or not (that's what we're told anyway, it doesn't mean it's actually true.....a lot of biased journo's out there maybe wanting to burst vinyl's 'bubble', a lot of 'fake news'), but vinyl is certainly back in people's conscience as a viable music format in a big way and that's good......Is it here to stay? Depends on what is driving the revival. Is it the search for better sound? If so, it's here to stay, obviously. Is it a trendy thing, the so called 'hipster factor'? If so, it may well die off. Is it mid lifers returning to a nostalgic past? If so, most will keep playing and buying LP's until they die....I certainly will be. I suspect it's a bit of all three and so, two out of three ain't bad......so it's here to stay, and in the mainstream, IMHO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 talking about streaming...I spent the last 2 days "reconnecting" with my streamer and that wasnt in the metaphorical way. the d@mn thing couldnt be found....even though itself could see the network...nothing else could. so about as useless as a door stop. took some investigation over couple of days to find another device in the house also not on the network. an obvious network conflict. once rebooted that...there you go streamer back on line. this is the kind of poop I would suggest people have had the gut full off when can just plonk a record on the table drop a needle on it and have music... rather than resolving network issues and all else goes with streaming... anyways good to have the streamer reconnected ... but also good to learn vinyl is mainstream 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Johnny Heathen Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I thought those British figures were interpreted interestingly... More money spent on vinyl still doesn't mean that the number of units shifted was necessarily higher - and given that the average record is now selling for maybe twice what the same album as 1s & 0s will set you back... Just a thought. I'm firmly in the vinyl camp myself, and frankly, this revival is the best thing that's happened to the music industry in my lifetime... Viva La Revival says I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joz Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 While it's popular and rekids are in print, buy'em. Really its s bit of a win other than the gouge going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted March 25, 2017 Author Share Posted March 25, 2017 well I thought the shop would last a couple or days or a week at most, but heck 3 or so weeks later ... theyre still there ! same guys as saw at the show, @Luc wil remember but yeah walking past there couple of times, one time 4-6 people there another time a couple of people there. so still getting a bit of foot traffic through... who would have thunk ... in just your average outer suburban shopping centre.... wish them well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter-C Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 well I thought the shop would last a couple or days or a week at most, but heck 3 or so weeks later ... theyre still there ! same guys as saw at the show, [mention=117697]Luc[/mention] wil remember [emoji3] but yeah walking past there couple of times, one time 4-6 people there another time a couple of people there. so still getting a bit of foot traffic through... who would have thunk ... in just your average outer suburban shopping centre.... [emoji3] wish them well... I was chatting to the guys a couple of weeks ago, they're there for 4 months! [emoji1303]Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted March 25, 2017 Author Share Posted March 25, 2017 Just now, Peter-C said: I was chatting to the guys a couple of weeks ago, they're there for 4 months! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk oh wow ! good on em ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisis Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 I cant bring myself to purchase albums at $40 a piece. I was in JB yesterday and I cant help thinking it is a big stitch up. Especially when I can get the same CDs for $15 and they sound so good. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mondie Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 $40 a piece is ok, take the mid-80's price and adjust it for inflation and I don't think much has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevoz Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, mondie said: $40 a piece is ok, take the mid-80's price and adjust it for inflation and I don't think much has changed. I can see the point you're making and we all except inflation exists......but at that rate we'll all be paying $80 per LP in about 20 years. Whatever happened to the theory that prices lower when supply/demand increase? I never paid more than $20 for a new LP in the 80's and demand for and supply of vinyl has risen since the 90's, when LP's hit the $20 mark. This leads me to believe there is a level of greed and 'gouging' in play here.......but hey, it's just part of the capitalist ethos these days is it not? The 'greed is good' Gecko code is in play big time these days......power companies, petrol companies, gas companies, banks, insurance companies, real estate companies, hearing aid companies, aged care providers, online betting companies (read 'scum'), even local councils and state and federal governments.....they're all in on the 'extract as much money from clients as you can even if you cross the line of what is fair and reasonable' attitude that is making it so hard for many people to make ends meet. Yes, I'm ranting but it's true and vinyl sellers are no different......and all these companies and JB HiFi have 'shareholders' and governments have 'vested interests', all insatiable 'haves' who are the enemy of struggling Australian 'have nots'. Rant over....... Edited March 27, 2017 by stevoz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankn Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) @stevoz- you are correct in that consumer pricing is 'the most the consumer is willing to pay'. I think even in the 80s it was that way, although then there were fewer options and the 'cashed-up audiophile' was not as common as now. Bargain's nowadays are of course CDs which the well mastered/produced ones sound very good on today's top end playback players, transports/dacs Edited March 27, 2017 by frankn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisis Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 15 hours ago, mondie said: $40 a piece is ok, take the mid-80's price and adjust it for inflation and I don't think much has changed. Yeah but that hasn't been replicated in most other areas. Almost all manufactured goods are substantially cheaper when adjusted for inflation now than they were in the good ol vinyl days. We are getting touched up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betty boop Posted March 27, 2017 Author Share Posted March 27, 2017 vinyl tech hasnt actually advanced much though. ive been involved with manufacturing some 20+ years (non vinyl). where costs drop is when you say go from artisan to cottage industry to mass production and so on. with vinyl we have probably gone full cycle back to cottage industry stage right now. some small scale operations using dilapidated old flogged out presses and such mostly manual. so hence if anything its probably a very expensive way of doing things. by comparison ... CD has had quite automated pressing plants for decades... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPSHELF Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 I'd hazard a guess that the pressing plants as they are very thin on the ground are charging a premium for their service add to this the cost of raw materials, shipping, packaging, licensing, advertising then mark up etc etc and at $35 a pop it doesn't sound too bad.(pity some new pressings sound awful)Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevoz Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 There has been vinyl pressing plants that have never shut down, some very large scale, eg: Optimal Media GmbH in Germany, and new ones popping up regularly in the US and even here. Vinyl is way past cottage industry size and continues to rise, but the business people who distribute are different these days.....far more greedy than in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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