Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted March 25, 2017 Volunteer Share Posted March 25, 2017 So google tells me that the origins of the name Gieseler have something to do with "noble offspring ". Edel is the german for noble. So Edel DAC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob181 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 11 minutes ago, Sir Sanders Zingmore said: So Edel DAC You could sing.... EdelDac....EdelDac....every morning you greet me... Nos & clear...pleasing to the ear...you look happy to see me... Though copy write may be a problem,,, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BATMAQN Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Lehm =Clay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scumbag Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) Ente DAC? Edited March 25, 2017 by scumbag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BioBrian Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 On 3/24/2017 at 5:29 PM, JohnL said: German Rivers??............. Rhine Danube Moselle Elbe Wesser Oder You could have a Klein........... and a Rhine!!!!! Call it "Moselle", and you'd need a cardboard chassis... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BioBrian Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 TON-DAC Ton from Clayton, but it also means 'clay' in german! (As well as tone, note, sound, etc.) KON-DAC might not work so well in the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhobba Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) On 2017-3-24 at 2:15 AM, matth said: Sorry Bill, but this is exactly how I see MQA. Many very knowledgeable people do, including Ted Smith who invented the Direct stream DAC. Its a perfectly valid responce. But please don't make up your mind until I get my little Explorer 2 to people like Clay, and see what they think. Just waiting for: 1, Until I get my Macbook and install Audirvna 3. 2. Mike finishes the high quality audio cable that really lifts the performance of that DAC. The truth will out - in time. I had a bit of a discussion with Ted Smith about this and got me onto an interesting piece of software I have been fooling around with: https://www.xivero.com/shop/xifeo/ Interesting results - for example take 2xDSD which is considered pretty good high res - you can get some from here: http://www.2l.no/hires/ Convert it to DXD, run it through the software, first at DXD to get the maximum frequency.and use it to find the maximum frequency of actual music. I ran Jan Gunnar Hoff - LIVING through it and its maximum frequency was a bit below 30k. Then convert it to the the sampling rate that contains the maximum frequency - I chose 176khz to be really safe and counted on the compression algorithm to take care of redundancy. Then run it through Optimfrog lossless compression which is a lot more efficient than FLAC - its amazing how small a file you get - it went from 375mb to 55mb (flac was 75mb). That's about the same as MQA. Interestingly at 88khz sampling it was 53.3 (Flac was 71mb) so the sampling frequency when you remove frequencies above actual content doesn't seem to make much difference. You could probably do it at DXD - it wouldn't really matter. So whats the bottom line other than being something interesting to do - yes - MQA is quite likely some marketing cynicism rather than an actual advance - drats - still it does sound better. Thanks Bill Edited March 26, 2017 by bhobba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted March 26, 2017 Volunteer Share Posted March 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, bhobba said: But please don't make up your mind until I get my little Explorer 2 to people like Clay, and see what they think. Struggling to understand this bit ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhobba Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Sir Sanders Zingmore said: Struggling to understand this bit ... Simpy that they confirm MQA does sound better. I think it does, Mike thinks it does, but the more the merrier I say. What the whole post above was saying is there are many ways to skin a cat, MQA is not the only way to drastically reduce the size of Hi-Rez files. But it is being pushed hard by companies like meridian with a lot of commercial clout. But can we take discussion of this to elsewhere than this thread which isn't really about MQA. Don't worry Clay is well aware of it and will ensure he Konverter keeps up with the latest trends once it has greater market penetration - its very early MQA days yet and you can already feed it from Tidal anyway - Clays DAC sounds great that way, Thanks Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted March 26, 2017 Volunteer Share Posted March 26, 2017 Just now, bhobba said: Simpy that they confirm MQA does sound better. I think it does, Mike thinks it does, but the more the merrier I say. What the whole post above was saying is there are many ways to skin a cat, MQA is not the only way to drastically reduce the size of Hi-Rez files. But it is being pushed hard by companies like meridian with a lot of commercial clout. But can we take discussion of this to elsewhere than this thread which isn't really about MQA. Don't worry Clay is well aware of it and will ensure he Konverter keeps up with the latest trends once it has greater market penetration - its very early MQA days yet and you can already feed it from Tidal anyway - Clays DAC sounds great that way, Thanks Bill so you are suggesting that before @matth makes up his own mind he should wait until you get your Explorer thingie to Clay so that you and Clay and Mike can decide for him? I'm sure that's not what you meant, but that's how it sounded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhobba Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Just now, Sir Sanders Zingmore said: I'm sure that's not what you meant, but that's how it sounded. Of course not. He should make up his own mind - but the more people that confirm by direct litening it does sound better obviously it will help in deciding - is this just commercial BS or not. I now think its commercial BS in the sense its a breakthrough - it can be achieved in other ways - but it does sound better. Thanks Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matth Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) @bhobba Bill, it does not matter for me if MQA sounds better than Redbook. I made up my mind: MQA is per se UNRIGHTEOUS, so I do not want to support it in any way. BTW, I do not want to buy a Gieseler DAC with a MQA hardware solution implemented. Period. Matt Edited March 26, 2017 by matth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greigw Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 Klein Treue DAC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Spyne~ Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Word on the street is that the first units are very, VERY close to being released into the wild... Who's going to get theirs first? Time will tell 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scumbag Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Just now, ~Spyne~ said: Word on the street is that the first units are very, VERY close to being released into the wild... Who's going to get theirs first? Time will tell If I were a betting man............................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woadl Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Ah.....this thread has wokenNow I'm getting excited Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Spyne~ Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scumbag Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, ~Spyne~ said: Show off. Though I did have SN0001 of Clay's PSU so I know what it feels to be a member of an exclusive and very cool club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woadl Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Good on ya, look forward to hearing what you think of it [emoji106]Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Hinchliffe Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Show off. Though I did have SN0001 of Clay's PSU so I know what it feels to be a member of an exclusive and very cool club. [emoji14] I definitely don't have any 0001s, but my klein DAC is no 69... [emoji3] Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scumbag Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 11 minutes ago, Wiffle said: I definitely don't have any 0001s, but my klein DAC is no 69... Sent from my SM-G900I using Tapatalk Wink wink. Say no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gieseler Audio Posted April 26, 2017 Author Share Posted April 26, 2017 (edited) Just in case anyone missed it. An interesting article as to why Linn Audio picked the AK4497EQ chip for their new Klimax DS network music players. http://www.akm.com/akm/en/product/featured/audiomarketvoices/linn/interview/?link_id=link972 The Klimax sells for 15,800 pounds in the UK. The Konverter uses the same DAC chip. Edited April 26, 2017 by Gieseler Audio 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardiiiii Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Will this be available in a DAC only version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scumbag Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, Cardiiiii said: Will this be available in a DAC only version? I think that's the Klein II dac init? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gieseler Audio Posted April 27, 2017 Author Share Posted April 27, 2017 Actually I will be doing a DAC only version soon. It will look similar to the Konverter - same height but 250 mm wide. Tech wise it will be a step up from a Klein II as it will be based on the Konverter ( Balanced out, Jensen transformers, OLED Display, AK4497EQ ect) Also the power supply section will be using the new ultra low noise linear Technology regulators. Projected price around 2K 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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