rantan Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 @joey_v Mate. May I ask if you are presently happy with the overall sound of your system as it stands? Of course there is always a better speaker, a better amp and better EQ and room treatments and if you chase the dragon continually you won't necessarily capture it. Why not just listen to what you have for a while, do the extra bass traps and take a deep breath Sometimes time can give you a far better perspective. This is absolutely not meant to be patronising and if it reads that way I apologise but taking a step back can work wonders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_v Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) 39 minutes ago, rantan said: @joey_v Mate. May I ask if you are presently happy with the overall sound of your system as it stands? Of course there is always a better speaker, a better amp and better EQ and room treatments and if you chase the dragon continually you won't necessarily capture it. Why not just listen to what you have for a while, do the extra bass traps and take a deep breath Sometimes time can give you a far better perspective. This is absolutely not meant to be patronising and if it reads that way I apologise but taking a step back can work wonders There's not much I don't like about the system, I think my system does things exceedingly well. I think I might be missing that last ounce of bass and maybe if I got just a little bit more palpable vocals, I think that's pretty much the end for me. There is still a little bit of an imaging glare, but I think it's because I need to finish treating the ceiling (another first reflection point). Things snapped into place when I added my speaker cables a couple months back. Edited January 11, 2017 by joey_v Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Marc Posted January 11, 2017 Administrator Share Posted January 11, 2017 Agreed re the ceiling. IMO it was the single biggest improvement made by treating the room, as far as imaging goes (and usually the most neglected). Followed by MSR Spring Traps (for bass issues). Pricey here in AU but much cheaper for you locally. Don't waste your money with other bass traps that do little to zero under 80Hz in my experience. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_v Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 I'm hoping that treating the ceiling, adding bass traps that eat 50hz, and something like the 800d3 would expand my staging depth as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amdan Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 @Joey_v how big is your room?Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_v Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 44 minutes ago, amdan said: @Joey_v how big is your room? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Not big... 17.5 X 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankn Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 11 minutes ago, joey_v said: Not big... 17.5 X 15 I hope that is in meters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_v Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, frankn said: I hope that is in meters Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankn Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Wow, in feet. That is a very small room for speakers the size of 800's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_v Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share Posted January 11, 2017 Medium room for states. They fit quite well, atleast the 802d3 does. Likely because of all yhe treatments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POV Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I was able to have a very good listen to them whilst in Singapore. My take : very big soundstage with very precise instrument placement and phenomenal image. BUT: I found them like pretty much all other high end B&W speakers, and thats like something is missing. It's hard to explain but there just feels like they lack coherence... IMHO you can do better for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sime Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 B&W has a certain tone to them that I love, and it's a sound that goes across all there speakers, that's why I've been with them since 94. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amdan Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Some disagree but I think room size is important because speakers need to be driven reasonably hard to bring their best. At that level I wonder if the 800s would be unbearable in a room that size. Unfortunately there is only one way to tell. For those of you who auditioned the 800s - how big was the room?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwhouston Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 I heard the Diamonds a few years back at a Melbourne HiFi show. Myself and a mate felt they were the best speakers of the show. If I had to buy any speakers they would certainly be on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_v Posted January 12, 2017 Author Share Posted January 12, 2017 8 hours ago, mwhouston said: I heard the Diamonds a few years back at a Melbourne HiFi show. Myself and a mate felt they were the best speakers of the show. If I had to buy any speakers they would certainly be on the list. And you probably heard the 800D2 and these are supposed to be better.... I agree with your assessment, I think in a well controlled situation, these are superb transducers. 8 hours ago, amdan said: Some disagree but I think room size is important because speakers need to be driven reasonably hard to bring their best. At that level I wonder if the 800s would be unbearable in a room that size. Unfortunately there is only one way to tell. For those of you who auditioned the 800s - how big was the room? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I listen typically 60db to 70db, I dont overload the room. The reason why I stuck with the 802D3 is that these are superb at low level listening because of how clean they are. I replaced these speakers with this (in my room): 802D2 Sonus faber Stradivari Rockport Avior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sime Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 What I love about owning a set of D3's is apart from the sound that I love, it's the fact that there's not many other places to go at this point, it's game over till the D4's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerav Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 35 minutes ago, Sime said: it's the fact that there's not many other places to go at this point Have you already tried these? http://www.visionliving.com.au/speakers/focal-diablo-utopia-bookshelf-speaker/id-Bs#.WHc6SBt96Uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sime Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 @powerav like I said, there's not "many" other places I could go, but that option is way to costly for a caravan, some might say I've already gone past that limit. And I'm a B&W guy through and through. Has anyone heard these bookshelf Utopias, are they worth the coin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerav Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 There is a right up bout them on AVS forum but it's only opinions. http://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-speakers/2495898-b-w-805d3-vs-focal-sopra-1-vs-diablo-utopia.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdhfdy Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 I compared 804 d3 and 803d3. I cant tell much difference they all sounded quite good though. 800d3 is another world much much more touching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jt301 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 So what's the decision Joey? Upgrade to the 800s or stick with the 802s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_v Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 On 1/10/2017 at 5:46 PM, jamiebosco said: Seems from Marc's post, if you're after a bit more bass, this does indeed seem like a no brainer. I'd jump on the offer before the other party starts getting cold feet! Hello my friend, Decision is still pending... we tried to get an audition this weekend but had a severe thunderstorm so I was cooped up at home..... will try again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rogerthat Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I agree with everyone else making 'room' comments. No way do those speakers suit that sized room. If anything you should be thinking of moving smaller, not larger. With your current speakers I hope you have massive, massive bass traps and significant room treatment coverage. Otherwise it is very likely you are not getting the bass you want because of the room mode suck-outs. Those 800s need a room at least twice the size of your room. I run Dyn c1 bookshelves in a properly treated room the same size as yours. Even the c1s need more space. If you can, try to get a listen to your current speakers at a dealer with a large (at least twice yours), properly treated room with music that you think is lacking bass. Just trying to save you from chasing your tail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rogerthat Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) Read post no. 3 https://www.audioaficionado.org/showthread.php?t=38312 Looks like you already know the answer. Edited January 20, 2017 by rogerthat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey_v Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 I posted and asked him about the specifics of his room and how he positioned the speakers. SBIR might be at play as he might not have addressed it. Nor did he account for the standing waves in that particular room dimension. His seat height would also have a play in vertical standing waves. And he might not have treated the room. My room is heavily treated, I have researched room acoustics beyond what normal mortals though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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