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Can anyone tell me if Bunnings solder is ok for soldering loudspeaker cables? it says: TradeFlame Silver Solder 15G 1.6mm silver acid core, lead free 220 melt temp, 3.5% silver content, plumbing.

 

Also, another beginner question - all the soldering tutorials I've seen mention the importance of keeping joint still. This seems easy to do with joining two wires together, but I don't see how this can be managed soldering the end of a speaker cable to a driver tab? Does it matter ones hand moves a bit holding the cable? The joints seems to come out very dull, not all nice and shiny like they supposed to, is this from very slight movement?

 

Thanks

Bevan

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If it is this stuff, don't use it. It's acid core and shouldn't be used on any electronics.

https://www.bunnings.com.au/tradeflame-15g-silver-solder_p5910272

 

As others have said, get some 60/40 solder, resin cored.

 

Edit: I just realised, you even said it's acid cored solder.... don't use it.

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Yes that sounds like plumbing solder for pipes, where you'd usually use a gas flame torch for. 

 

I use lead-free solder personally, as I'd rather not breathe in the lead fumes! It flows fine and easily with even a moderate iron. 

 

For your last question, you can use a '3rd hand' tool, or even a helper, otherwise see if you can hold the wire and solder in one hand. This will help you keep the wire as still as possible. For me, the main thing is to keep the contact tight between wire and terminal. That's what you're trying to achieve - to maximise the amount of actual wire touching the terminal, and minimising the amount of current that has to travel through the solder itself.

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https://www.bunnings.com.au/consolidated-alloys-1-6mm-x-16g-resin-core-40-60-solder-hobby-pack_p5060566

https://www.bunnings.com.au/tradeflame-15g-electrical-solder_p5910270

 

Either of those should be suitable. I'd start again with the right solder - heat the old stuff and wipe as much as you can off the tab. As to holding the wire still while soldering, If the tab has a hole in the middle, just poke the wire through and bend it around so it holds itself. Otherwise, flow some solder onto the tab, and the wire, and then heat the two together holding the wire against the tab as the solder cools to keep it steady. Or just wrap it around the entire tab before you solder. Apply enough heat so the solder flows and appears to soak into the parts being soldered. 

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20 hours ago, bob_m_54 said:

Actually Steve, the 60/40 (Sn60) is better for electronics hand soldering, than 40/60 (Sn40). It requires less heat than the 40/60.

 

Hmm, not sure which one it is - the details say it's 60/40.

 

But yes, Jaycar is the better bet if you have one nearby. 

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On 15/9/2016 at 0:48 AM, Krispy Audio said:

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I use lead-free solder personally, as I'd rather not breathe in the lead fumes! It flows fine and easily with even a moderate iron. 

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AFAIK the 'fumes' given off during soldering are caused by the (resin, aka rosin) flux burning off, not the lead. Fume extraction, or at least, fume dispersion via a fan of some sort is recommended, as rosin/resin flux may contain hydrochloric acid, zinc chloride or ammonium chloride (see the ever helpful Wikipedia).

If lead-based solder is used, which I swear by, then wash hands thoroughly after handling.

 

Just my opinion anyways!

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56 minutes ago, tassie tiger said:

 

AFAIK the 'fumes' given off during soldering are caused by the (resin, aka rosin) flux burning off, not the lead. Fume extraction, or at least, fume dispersion via a fan of some sort is recommended, as rosin/resin flux may contain hydrochloric acid, zinc chloride or ammonium chloride (see the ever helpful Wikipedia).

If lead-based solder is used, which I swear by, then wash hands thoroughly after handling.

 

Just my opinion anyways!

 

Spot on.... :thumb:

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5 hours ago, Stevesie said:

 

Hmm, not sure which one it is - the details say it's 60/40.

 

But yes, Jaycar is the better bet if you have one nearby. 

Yes, I think bumblings have stuffed up the description. The package states "40/60" which is 40% tin and 60% lead.

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11 hours ago, tassie tiger said:

 

AFAIK the 'fumes' given off during soldering are caused by the (resin, aka rosin) flux burning off, not the lead. Fume extraction, or at least, fume dispersion via a fan of some sort is recommended, as rosin/resin flux may contain hydrochloric acid, zinc chloride or ammonium chloride (see the ever helpful Wikipedia).

If lead-based solder is used, which I swear by, then wash hands thoroughly after handling.

 

Just my opinion anyways!

 

For casual soldering, don't worry about the fumes.

Just don't deliberately breathe them in.

If I'm soldering a lot, I just use a little USB powered desk fan to push the fumes lightly away.

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Sounds like you need more heat relative to what you're using. The movement may not help this, though a high powered temp-controlled iron is a nice thing to have and doesn't have to be expensive. `

 

Love this - may help - https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-guide-excellent-soldering/common-problems

 

Open window and a desk fan work well and are advised. Wash hands afterwards and don't use your mouth to hold the solder :)

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  • 8 months later...

Gents, want to get rid of the continually loose speaker terminals I currently have with some ETI cable pods, was impressed with them on the ML1's.

 

http://www.soundlabsgroup.com.au/p/ETI-Cablepod/ETI+Research+Cable+Pod+Binding+Post

 

Would this Bunnings solder be OK-

 

https://www.bunnings.com.au/tradeflame-85g-electrical-solder_p5910269

 

or should I just get some solder as well with the terminals?

 

http://www.soundlabsgroup.com.au/p/MU-Solder/Mundorf+Solder

 

ETI terminals are 'Gold flashed Tellurium Copper' apparently.

 

An no, there's no bloody Jaycar nearby. :D

 

 

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11 minutes ago, soundbyte said:

I could pick up some solder for you, Jaycar is on the Gold Coast, will pass through there on the way south.

 

Russell.

 

Russell thanks mate, I ordered some from Soundlabs with the terminals. Thanks for the offer. See you soon!

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