metal beat Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 With almost all pressing plants at full capacity, vinyl availability has never been better for 20 years, however prices seem to be escalating. here is but one example The new Neil Young album Storytone is about to be released on November 4th. Neil's vinyl pricing has always been higher than normal, usually set off with nice Chris Bellman mastering and Pallas germany pressings. the new 2LP set retails for $US 69.95 - WTF! This is getting crazy. The double CD retails for $US 15. It does not cost an additional $55 to manufacture vinyl. Most double album releases are around US $25 - $30, not $70. This to me is pure profit mining from the record company and Neil Young and the milking of all Neil Young fans who buy vinyl and not steal it from the internet. I bought vinyl all through the late 80's and 90's when the record companies tried their hardest to kill it - now they seem to be trying to kill it again with prices that are getting to high. No money from me for this LP release. Warners and Neil can shove it up their collective A-Holes. Am I being too harsh? cheers 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hensa Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) Not harsh at all - I agree entirely. I'm happy to pay even up to $50 for a double LP of something I really want if I know it's a good master and pressing but $70 is really stretching it. Equally annoying is where the pressing is made from digital masters and you are still hit for the exorbitant vinyl mark-up not to mention that shopping is usually more expensive. At prices over $40 for a single disc LP, they'll start to shrink their market as the digital alternatives are so much cheaper. As the market shrinks, we could go full circle back to vinyl becoming the rare and expensive exception. The good news is there is still a lot of fairly reasonably priced (sub $30) new vinyl being released and hopefully good sales at these prices keeps some sanity in the market. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited October 31, 2014 by Hensa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Muon Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I have capped my spend on a new LP to $30, unless It's something special to me and I might go as high as $50, but this will not be very often. If they want more they will get it from others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleach Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 It does seem like gouging. Probably vinyl buyers are not as sensitive to price as cd and digital buyers. Might they be thinking that vinyl buyers are enthusiasts who will pay enough to cross-subsidise? Maybe the logic is like the extreme ticket prices for concerts. It does seem pretty disrepectful to people willing to pay a fair amount to support an artist Sent from my iphone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steam Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 @ that's utter rubbish. Sounds like one of those dumb conspiracy theories. Next you will be telling us that there are high end amps and audiophile cable companies charging cashed up stereophiles unjustified amounts for there wares as well 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) Not harsh at all - I agree entirely. I'm happy to pay even up to $50 for a double LP of something I really want if I know it's a good master and pressing but $70 is really stretching it. Equally annoying is where the pressing is made from digital masters and you are still hit for the exorbitant vinyl mark-up not to mention that shopping is usually more expensive. At prices over $40 for a single disc LP, they'll start to shrink their market as the digital alternatives are so much cheaper. As the market shrinks, we could go full circle back to vinyl becoming the rare and expensive exception. The good news is there is still a lot of fairly reasonably priced (sub $30) new vinyl being released and hopefully good sales at these prices keeps some sanity in the market. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Very true. Labels like Secretly Canadian, JagJagwar, Matador, Sub Pop and other smaller labels seem to keep the prices reasonable. I am sitting here listening to new albums from Mark Lanegan and the War on Drugs 2LP set and both are under $30 Edited October 31, 2014 by metal beat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenikoy Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 There is a crazy disparity in vinyl pricing. I think most vinyl is reasonably priced, I used to pay $30 for CDs 20-25 years ago. But why can I buy Nick Cave's and Beck's latest for $26 and $31 respectively, when an old Neil Young album is now $60 and Beatles monos $45 (Dadas Perth Brick n' Mortar prices). Definitely thumbs ups to the smaller labels mentioned above who seem to supply at reasonable prices. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzr Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Might be time to start our own label Shane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capone Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Might be time to start our own label Shane? Kickstarter? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candyflip Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCC Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Neil who? I don't think I'd miss his music while I still have his lp's from the 70's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hired goon Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Neil who? I don't think I'd miss his music while I still have his lp's from the 70's. Neil Young knows his fans yearn for the music of the 70s, so now his LPs are literally in the 70s (dollars, that is). --Geoff 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzr Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Kickstarter? Electric, it's easier. Have bad memories from kickstarting those old twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCC Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Neil Young knows his fans yearn for the music of the 70s, so now his LPs are literally in the 70s (dollars, that is). --Geoff yeah, and remember he still has to pay his "maid" :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hired goon Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 yeah, and remember he still has to pay his "maid" :-) The (stylus) needle and the damage done (to your wallet). --Geoff 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENIGMA Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 What a load of rubbish. CDs are on the decline, you can't compare their pricing. And, just think about the cost of shipping heavy boxes of vinyl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted November 1, 2014 Author Share Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) What a load of rubbish. CDs are on the decline, you can't compare their pricing. And, just think about the cost of shipping heavy boxes of vinyl. CD's are DEAD, but really not the complaint. Hell even Kev is going vinyl The Black keys Brothers album is 2LP with a free CD and pressed at Pallas Germany - record label Nonesuch - owned by Warners retail price US $ 26 Neil Young - 2LP set, pressed at Pallas Germany - record label Reprise - owned by Warners - retail price US$ 69 How does the cost of shipping heavy boxes of vinyl relate to the cost differential when comparing vinyl ? Edited November 1, 2014 by metal beat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitek Audio Video Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 This is something I've had to accept ever since ceasing my employment with a certain big box retailer. Seeing how much places are asking for vinyl, knowing how much they used to be for me to buy is heartbreaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyse1 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 With almost all pressing plants at full capacity, vinyl availability has never been better for 20 years, however prices seem to be escalating. here is but one example The new Neil Young album Storytone is about to be released on November 4th. Neil's vinyl pricing has always been higher than normal, usually set off with nice Chris Bellman mastering and Pallas germany pressings. the new 2LP set retails for $US 69.95 - WTF! This is getting crazy. The double CD retails for $US 15. It does not cost an additional $55 to manufacture vinyl. Most double album releases are around US $25 - $30, not $70. This to me is pure profit mining from the record company and Neil Young and the milking of all Neil Young fans who buy vinyl and not steal it from the internet. I bought vinyl all through the late 80's and 90's when the record companies tried their hardest to kill it - now they seem to be trying to kill it again with prices that are getting to high. No money from me for this LP release. Warners and Neil can shove it up their collective A-Holes. Am I being too harsh? cheers It's the price you pay for antiques 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxon Hall Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 CD's are DEAD, but really not the complaint. Hell even Kev is going vinyl The Black keys Brothers album is 2LP with a free CD and pressed at Pallas Germany - record label Nonesuch - owned by Warners retail price US $ 26 Neil Young - 2LP set, pressed at Pallas Germany - record label Reprise - owned by Warners - retail price US$ 69 How does the cost of shipping heavy boxes of vinyl relate to the cost differential when comparing vinyl ? Well there you go. I never knew that. When was the funeral? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzr Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) Well there you go. I never knew that. When was the funeral? ...ask Holden, they're in the same service! Shane,as a recently new vinyl procurer again, I would have to agree. I thought NZ$14 was over the top for "Born To Run" in '83 Not to be mistaken for these little buggers..... Edited November 1, 2014 by groot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 You are certainly right Shane. But Neil Young is a poor example. I mean, it's Neil young, I'm gonna buy it! Cheaper at Canukazon BTW, but still over-priced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nada Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I have to agree that US70 is ridiculous for Neil Young in his seventies making noise with an orchestra. Mind you Pallas 180g pressing from Germany often have double LPs going at exactly the same price but when its for John Coltrane its arguably worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinm1 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 What makes you think the record companies would rip off the buying public. When the have made their profits from ripping off the artists, they wouldn't do it to the public too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macguffin Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) Maybe Neil Young fans have a "shut up and take my money" vibe? (Pono anyone? ) For a different perspective, just ordered Hilltop Hoods - Walking Under Stars, double LP = $43. Not bad for independent artists. Really think some companies are gouging us for LPs Edited November 1, 2014 by macguffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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