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#1 bhobba

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:05 AM

Hi Guys

 

There has been a bit of a buzz around about the Job 225 amp but was initially only available 115V.

 

Well the 230V version has been released:

http://www.jobsys.com/getit.htm

 

Great - went to order one and thought it may even arrive for the long anticipated amp GTG now my Arion 500 has arrived.

 

Pressed the order button in eager anticipation - but - bummer - sold out.

 

Just letting you guys know. 

 

Hopefully they will have some available soon.

 

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:11 AM

Hi Guys

 

There has been a bit of a buzz around about the Job 225 amp but was initially only available 115V.

 

Well the 230V version has been released:

http://www.jobsys.com/getit.htm

 

Great - went to order one and thought it may even arrive for the long anticipated amp GTG now my Arion 500 has arrived.

 

Pressed the order button in eager anticipation - but - bummer - sold out.

 

Just letting you guys know. 

 

Hopefully they will have some available soon.

 

Thanks

Bill

 

Way to go Bill! :thumb:

 

Hopefully when you get one, dislike it, and sell it to some poor sod like me at 50% reduction :P

 

Just kidding Bill, looking forward on your impressions and comparisions to your amp stable :)



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:18 AM

Just though of it, I surpose theres no chance of you ordering a Goldmund variant???

 

I though I make ya laugh Bill :P



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:27 AM

Just though of it, I surpose theres no chance of you ordering a Goldmund variant???

 

I though I make ya laugh Bill :P

 

 

Errrr - when I win lotto maybe - not that I waste money on that.

 

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:53 AM

Hi Bill, bravo

I guess you will be able to tell us if it is the " biggest bargain or biggest con ".  ;)

 

Our collective engineering experts have all ready seemed have given it their collective thumbs down without ever getting close to listening to it.

 

I personally think it will sound pretty good.

 

Does it have 30 day return rights?


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:00 AM

wow that was fast and i though that guy from Jobs was bluffing.


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:07 AM

I clicked on it and it puts it in my cart.

When does it mention it is out of stock?

I can see one in my cart and a button to pay with paypal.



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:09 AM

Hey turntable, I miss your other avatar.  Where has she gone??? :D

 

 

 

Go Bill.  I for one would like to hear the JOB225.  Maybe email them to put your name down on a pre-order list for the next batch. 

 

 

 

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:12 AM

I clicked on it and it puts it in my cart.

When does it mention it is out of stock?

I can see one in my cart and a button to pay with paypal.

 

Just to see, I went through that process myself.  Sure, it puts the item in the cart, but when you go to pay for it comes up as "sold out".  You can get the 'Sweetcord' though!!


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:39 AM

Hey turntable, I miss your other avatar.  Where has she gone??? :D

 

 

 

Go Bill.  I for one would like to hear the JOB225.  Maybe email them to put your name down on a pre-order list for the next batch. 

 

 

 

Anthony

 

Does nobody like HiFi shots?

 

Is this better? :D


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:42 AM

Does nobody like HiFi shots?

 

Is this better? :D

 

Oh yeah baby :thumb:



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 12:19 PM

Does it have 30 day return rights?

 

Something like that - but you have a 20% restocking fee, the GST and freight costs that go bye bye.

 

Have to say though, when a product gets hyped like that, I have not found it actually bad - just not living up to the hype.  It happened with both Burson DAC's for example.  They were OK, quite possibly even the best in their price class, but world beaters they were not. In practice that means you are unlikely not to be able to resell it with very little loss.

 

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 12:23 PM

I clicked on it and it puts it in my cart.

When does it mention it is out of stock?

I can see one in my cart and a button to pay with paypal.

 

When you go to complete the purchase you get:

 

Your item(s) sold out
We're sorry, the following item(s) isn't available at this time:
JOB 225 Stereo Amplifier
Item number: JOB 225 2x125 W
 
Of course it would be better if they didn't allow you to get that far in the first place.
 
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Posted 11 October 2013 - 12:34 PM

"Dear Sir,

 

because you have run out of stock in the Job 225 amplifier, can you supplied the Goldmund version at the same price"

 

regards

 

Bill Hobba

 

 

:thumb: 

 

 

you can only try Bill, wouldnt it be a ripper if they agreed? :P



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 01:05 PM

you can only try Bill, wouldnt it be a ripper if they agreed? :P

 

They won't.

 

But this does illustrate a very important issue.

 

When you buy equipment through normal retail channels you pay a LARGE premium for that.  Even though Goldmund gear is expensive its not because they are making huge profits or anything like that - its purely what you need to make that model work.  The JOB is sold direct with virtually no overheads - that's why you can get it at that price.  But of course no try before you buy - return it an you take a BIG hit.  However the price difference is so HUGE I doubt too many people will buy it the other way.

 

I believe the other way of buying will eventually go the way of the Do Do - but of course I could be wrong.

 

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:24 PM

Arrrrggggggg!!!!

 

I TOLD YOU GUYS.

 

You listen to all the armchair experts when i am likely the ONLY non-Goldmund employee to see these amps in production. I wa there like 3 weeks ago and was told NO PICTURES. I could not even see them 2 days ago when I was there for a short visit chatting with the Sales Manager. They are like 5 mins drive from my home and 150 meters away from the Rolex HQ in Geneva.

 

Now, I TOLD you all they would sell out fast. I personally hooked up about 10 friends to buy and they all got one....i think there was 1 lucky Aussie in my circle who got one...not sure.

 

The good news..they are already planning bacth number 2 and the next development will be a preamp. I hope to get more info if/when they invite me to do a Geneva local perspective audio piece for a webzine.

 

Bill, going direct is just a part of the story. The Goldmund equivalent amps have expensive chassis, ~60% of the BOM costs, more tech, mechanical/magnetic grounding and better isolation, as well as gucci parts like binding posts. Further Goldmund pays for advertsing, JOB will be NOT have such a budget and will depend on word of mouth. Everything about JOB is cost conscious as it appeals to a different clientele. Job is trikle down Goldmund tech.



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:24 PM

Let me stop here before I get accused of working for JOB next, like I have for Lampizator. Hahahahaah



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:49 PM

Bill, going direct is just a part of the story. The Goldmund equivalent amps have expensive chassis, ~60% of the BOM costs, more tech, mechanical/magnetic grounding and better isolation, as well as gucci parts like binding posts. Further Goldmund pays for advertsing, JOB will be NOT have such a budget and will depend on word of mouth. Everything about JOB is cost conscious as it appeals to a different clientele. Job is trikle down Goldmund tech.

 

Sure - that's all part of a premium product sold through the usual channels compared to one sold direct and looking to cut the price as much as possible.

 

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 05:59 PM

We are agreed Bill.

 

I will give you a heads up for the next batch if interested. PM me your full details and I will forward to the right source...



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:22 PM

Let me stop here before I get accused of working for JOB next, like I have for Lampizator. Hahahahaah

 

hahahaha....I reckon you work for both, you are double agent selling secrets in the audio world.  Its a manufacturers crime but your real ciientele is the end user! :P  :lol:



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:24 PM

I will give you a heads up for the next batch if interested. PM me your full details and I will forward to the right source...

 

Its an interesting amp but aren't really champing at the bit - if they have one available good - if not - I can wait.

 

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:33 PM

Here's a bit of reading for those wanting to hear a few user reports before they purchase

 

Seems to be a few faulty ones on this 21 page thread. 

http://www.whatsbest...p?10797-Job-225

 

 

This ones in it's infancy, only 1 page so far.

http://forum.audiogo...red-the-Job-225-

 

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Posted 11 October 2013 - 06:58 PM

Bill luckily you missed the 1st batch, I hope the next batch is rolled out with the fix hum issue!

 

Says a lot on QC!

 

Thnxs to George in providing a link :)

 

Also says a lot about lateral fets! and it only has 2 pair!



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:11 PM

Don't get what all the fuss is about with this amp.

 

MEH. I'll pass thanks


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:14 PM

Ahhhh, that was fixed back in June (at their expense). It was not a QC issue, but rather a no-compromise design that didnt play well with every setup. They long ago made adjustments so as to work with every conceivable setup.

 

QC???? They basically made the amps 3 weeks ago and took 3 weeks of testing with them before sending out. The CFO told me that they test and retest and retest.....

 

Look, U can keep listening to naysayers but the how many amps sell out in a day??? LoL


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 07:16 PM

Don't get what all the fuss is about with this amp.

 

MEH. I'll pass thanks

Wait till you hear it and then all may be revealed.



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 08:00 PM

 

. The CFO told me that they test and retest and retest.....

 

 

Ahhh..... Typical of most manfacturers comments, I get this BS alot when things fail and I have to fix them,  it makes you wonder the type of test they do, obviously in a test tube condition and not in real world environment....

 

Like the typical response I keep getting from HQ Singapore that is quoted direct from Tokyo Japan  " Our apologies, Please accept!" :P


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 10:12 PM

PChan,

 

I dont think so. I saw a series of test benches and he made the comment rolling his eyes, almost frustrated.

 

It was not in relation to the Job product, that discusson was later. he just was showing goldmund work flow and explained the factory layout.

 

Remember this is the Chief FINANCIAL Officer, so he knows testing = MONEY!LoL

 

 

The Job amp didnt FAIL, it caused a problem in CERTAIN setups. It was not repaired, it was modded to enable more widespread usage.



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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:48 AM

Don't get what all the fuss is about with this amp.

 

Its because 6 Moons Srajan went ga ga over it:

http://www.6moons.co...iews/job/1.html

 

I have been caught up in stuff 6 moons went ga ga over before like the Burson DAC's.  Mixed bag in my experience - but none were not worth the money.  I am happy to give it a whirl and resell it on the off chance its a world beater.

 

Would have liked it to be at the amp GTG - that would have been a REAL test of its capabilities.

 

What will be there is:

Arion HS 500 with Duelund Cast - about $6-7K depending on how the Aussi dollar is going

Arion S 250 - about $2.4-2.6K - agian depending on Aussi dollar

NAKSA 80 - about $2k

Naquadria Aeon - about $4k

Hopefully the Weston Kt120 Monoblocks - about $4.5K - sold mine though and it depends on if the guy that bought it wants to bring it along.

 

And some others to be determined. 

 

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 11:19 AM

Don't get what all the fuss is about with this amp.

 

MEH. I'll pass thanks

 

That's sound advice IMHO.

 

There is absolutely nothing revolutionary in the design, and the implementation is really very average.

 

A better mosfet amp is the Tilbrook design of 1987.

 

If anyone wants one, I have one here that's collecting dust. 


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     "All grades will be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade meaning, obviously, no one will receive an A." They all agreed to this. After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a C. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.
But, as the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average was an F.
     The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. To their great dismay the professor failed them all. Then he sent all of them this note: "A socialistic government will also ultimately fail - because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed."

 

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 09:24 PM

They sell the similar Telos 280 for $6.5K, so its easy to see what the fuss is over $1700 delivered.

 

People with serious gear : Dartzeel, Conrad Johnson, Carver, N-Core $12K mono blocs, etc, have also gone gaga over it.

 

There is a reason they sold out in a single day! There is already a waiting list for the next batch.

 

Dont bury your head in the sand. It may not be your cup of tea, but outright dismissal is ill-advised.


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Posted 12 October 2013 - 09:54 PM

The sell the similar Telos 280 for $6.5K, so its easy to see what te fuss is over $1700 delivered.

 

People with serious gear : Dartzeel, Conrad Johnson, Carver, N-Core $12K mono blocs, etc, have also gone gaga over it.

 

There is a reason they sold out in a single day! There is already a waiting list for the next batch.

 

Dont bury your head in the sand. It may not be your cup of tea, but outright dismissal is ill-advised.

 

 

Better than a Pass Labs X.5 mosfet amp?


 An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had failed very few students but had, once, failed an entire class. That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said, "Ok, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism."

     "All grades will be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade meaning, obviously, no one will receive an A." They all agreed to this. After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a C. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.
But, as the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average was an F.
     The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. To their great dismay the professor failed them all. Then he sent all of them this note: "A socialistic government will also ultimately fail - because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed."

 

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:18 PM

Better than a Pass Labs X.5 mosfet amp?



At least Pass Lab Pty Ltd has an email address for enquiries, warranty claims, geographic address is listed as well as a phone number!

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:23 PM

At least Pass Lab Pty Ltd has an email address for enquiries, warranty claims, geographic address is listed as well as a phone number!

 

Maybe that's why some people are buying more than one Job 225. 


 An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had failed very few students but had, once, failed an entire class. That class had insisted that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said, "Ok, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism."

     "All grades will be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade meaning, obviously, no one will receive an A." They all agreed to this. After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a C. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.
But, as the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too, so they studied little. The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average was an F.
     The scores never increased as bickering, blame and name calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. To their great dismay the professor failed them all. Then he sent all of them this note: "A socialistic government will also ultimately fail - because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed."

 

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 10:36 PM

Maybe that's why some people are buying more than one Job 225.


You won't see me buying one!

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 11:32 PM

Guys - don't get too caught up in this - either positive - or dismissive - wait until we can get hold of one to actually listen - that will be the test.

 

Heard a Gryphon Antileon Signature amp today.  Normally I am not that enamoured with amps in that sort of price range - not because they aren't likely good or anything like that - its just that sort of price compared to what I am prepared to pay is way beyond it.  But I have to say its likely the best amp I have ever heard and the best system for that matter.  Still I was told new it cost - $30K - gulp.  So at least the sensibilities you are getting what you paid for was intact - which can't always be said of stuff I have heard.

 

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 11:46 PM

Guys - don't get too caught up in this - either positive - or dismissive - wait until we can get hold of one to actually listen - that will be the test.

Heard a Gryphon Antileon Signature amp today. Normally I am not that enamoured with amps in that sort of price range - not because they aren't likely good or anything like that - its just that sort of price compared to what I am prepared to pay is way beyond it. But I have to say its likely the best amp I have ever heard and the best system for that matter. Still I was told new it cost - $30K - gulp. So at least the sensibilities you are getting what you paid for was intact - which can't always be said of stuff I have heard.

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No no no no Bill,

That $30k Gryphon can't be any good,,, yet! It hasn't been to 6moons! Neither has David Tilbrook's MOSFET of the mid 80s!

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 03:10 AM

Better than a Pass Labs X.5 mosfet amp?

That I dont know.

 

Does the Pass cost $1700 delivered?



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 03:21 AM

No no no no Bill,

That $30k Gryphon can't be any good,,, yet! It hasn't been to 6moons! Neither has David Tilbrook's MOSFET of the mid 80s!

Sigh.

 

Its not the 6moons blurb that caused many of us to be excited. Some of us KNOW people who heard it and went Gaga BEFORE 6Moons, and the Amazon chatter was positive before 6Moons.

The point is, how many amps retail at $1700 can beat this amp? That is the issue at hand.

 

Knowing its Goldmund, you can easily find the address. Heck, the 6Moons article provided the address if you read carefully. That is how I found them.

 

In any case, there are many lengthy threads about this amp, yet people claim its uninteresting. Funny.



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 05:15 AM

For what it's worth, I auditioned the Goldmund SRA 50 for 2-3 weeks back in 1998.
This was the original 50w stereo adaptation of the "Job circuit" by goldmund.

At the time I thought it was very good, slightly lean sounding, very transparent and very fast sounding in the sense that it got the transient/leading edge of notes right.

In the end I ended up with a pass labs aleph 3, which is a totally different sounding amplifier altogether. I suspect the latest iteration of the job circuit would be similar sounding and offer great bang for buck, but what do I know, I actually like the sound of class d amps too....
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Posted 13 October 2013 - 08:08 AM

 

Heard a Gryphon Antileon Signature amp today.  But I have to say its likely the best amp I have ever heard and the best system for that matter.  

Thanks

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Agreed, Gryphon amps even the smaller ones cannot be compared to these Goldmund or Job amps, if you've worked on them or seen inside them and what they consist of, power supply circuit etc, I'd guess they would have to be in another league.

 

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 08:43 AM

Agreed, Gryphon amps even the smaller ones cannot be compared to these Goldmund or Job amps, if you've worked on them or seen inside them and what they consist of, power supply circuit etc, I'd guess they would have to be in another league.
 
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Posted 13 October 2013 - 08:57 AM

 

Agreed, Gryphon amps even the smaller ones cannot be compared to these Goldmund or Job amps, if you've worked on them or seen inside them and what they consist of, power supply circuit etc, I'd guess they would have to be in another league.

 

Cheers George

 

You have GOT to be kidding. Goldmund delivers very innovative solutions via their network alliances. The tech comes from French aerospace/MIT/EPFL/ CERN, etc. They pioneered mechanical and magnetic grounding and time domain corrective techniques before other. Yes, they can be outrageoulsy pricey, but do give the devil his due! Goldmund for amps and speakers, is NOT a JOKE.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 09:10 AM

If I had the money spilling out of my pocket like Bill Gates, I'll consider a Gryphon. All ya have to do is look at there web site and check the pics under the hood. Guarantee drive to 1.0ohms, perfect! The product look like it came out of a military facility.
But coming back down to earth with feet firm on the ground, its really unfair to compare it a JOB.

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 09:40 AM

My cousin used to work for British Aerospace as an engineer. Various military projects etc.

The department ended up with a lot of excess spare components over the years from various projects so he and his mates decided to use them to build in his words "the ultimate audio amplifer" for some fun. Several months later the 100kg beast emerged. He told me it measured perfectly on the test bench. I asked him how did it sound... His response was,"what's the point of that?"

Enough said....
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