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#1 proftournesol

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 09:51 PM

Just what the world needs, another review of a push-pull pentode valve preamp. Oh, and an amp with lots of negative feedback built in! This preamp bears some comparisons to a Porsche 911, it was first introduced a long time ago in 'audio product cycle time', in 1986. The original design, like with Porsche, has had continuous improvement since. The design age shows as the preamp comes with a tape monitor loop, how common is that in 2012? It does provide an opportunity for some later room equalisation perhaps? Perhaps also true to the 1980s, everything is assembled in house in a company that started life as a transformer manufacturer, so no Chinese production hiding behind German design.

My preamp was built to order and completed on May 30, I know that because it comes with its own signed birth certificate :). Despite being a neonate, it arrived in a box large enough to be a small coffin. Germans don’t do anything by halves, not even packaging! It’s a large full sized preamp with an imposing aluminium faceplate, but it looks more like Angela Merkel than Kirsten Dunst, and won’t really win any preamp beauty contest. Despite having 4 small rotary switches and a large Alps volume pot, the amp looks strangely asymmetrical in operation with a rather haphazard arrangement of blue LEDs. It has 2 handles on the side that help with moving it around and although it’s surprisingly heavy, it isn’t that heavy, perhaps it could do without the handles? Surprisingly heavy because this is a 2 box preamp with an external power supply tethered to the preamp with a nice long umbilical cord. Power supply is one area where Octave have really put in a lot of effort. This version is a HP500se, special edition, developed with better spec’d components and an uprated power supply over the standard HP500.

The preamp comes well specified with a row of shiny gold RCA inputs for 4 different sources on the back panel. There are a couple of holes where the optional MM and MC inputs can go if required, as well as a switchable rumble filter! It has 2 sets of RCA outputs but more important for me, it also has 2 transformer coupled balanced XLR outputs. This is important as the active speaker standard input impedance is only 10k Ohms and this is a difficult load for most valve amps that prefer a much higher impedance however the transformer presents a driveable load for the preamp.

OK so how does it sound? Well for the first 4 minutes it sounds of nothing as the delayed start slowly heats the valve heaters, stabilises voltages and Octave claims that this usually extends the valve life. The next step presents a small difficulty for the more visually challenged, the rotary switches are beautifully labeled in a 10 point very fine font that’s rather hard to read on a brushed silver face. Never mind, after the first week how many of us actually read the switch position labels anyway? Finally I sat down and spent a week running it in listening to music. Every pre amp gets 48 hours of factory running anyway and I haven’t noticed a large change in sound so far. Firstly this amp is very quiet. I can hear some soft valve hiss at full volume with my ear to the speaker. A Porsche 911 is an appropriate comparison, because just as a 911 is a car that defies the expectations of a rear engined difficult to drive beast, the Octave isn’t what you’d expect from the specs. It uncannily combines delicacy with power, and excels in ‘downward dynamics’ with a extremely detailed presentation that equals the excellent StereoKnight, but also has the power and slam that only come with an active preamp. This was the feature that drew me to this preamp because it seemed that preamps in particular required a compromise: slam or detail but not both unless you are prepared to pay silly money. I’d auditioned a Vincent and a Doge that certainly had the slam but no delicacy at all, and I’d been impressed enough to buy the StereoKnight that had the detail and delicacy, but especially when I changed from my RCM phono stage with it's quite remarkable gain and low noise to my Strain Gauge and its puny 1mV output, there was just not enough dynamics for me. The Octave is not cheap, but it’s far from silly money prices. Most impressive, the bass is ‘transistor amp tight’ and seemingly endlessly extended. Not just extended with a prominent one note woolly bass but detailed and delicate like an iron fist in the velvet glove. I’ve really reconsidered my need for a sub now, especially in my current room. Midrange is glare free and extremely detailed, instrument timbre is presented beautifully. Treble is very fast and things like cymbal decay are just wonderfully detailed. This amp is fast fast fast, transients are presented with power and precision.

This isn’t just a review of a preamp as of course any listening test is a review of the whole system from source hardware to listening room. Whilst the StereoKnight presented the same information, the extra energy from an active preamp presents it in 3D. I now have too much bass energy in my room re-exciting all sorts of room nodes that I’d sort of tamed. I’ve had to adjust the ADAMs to compensate. The other change in my system coincided with the arrival of the Octave. I was lucky enough to see petng’s Argento Serenity cables appear in the FS section. I’d heard these with the Octave before and they really added another dimension to the detail across the frequency spectrum. That surprised me as I’d previously tried them with the StereoKnight and they really added nothing to the excellent sound of my WSS-Kabels. It just shows how component matching and system synergy is so important. This cables are the Argento ‘poverty option’ sitting at the bottom of their line of 3 cables but that’s like saying that the Veyron is the poverty option Bugatti. They are the most detailed cables I’ve ever heard and really do allow the Octave to show at its best.

What’s not to like? Nothing really, apart from the small font on the faceplate and I'd prefer that Octave forgot about the handles. It isn’t as neutral as the totally neutral StereoKnight, but I’ve tried some valve rolling and replacing the standard NOS Mullard 12AU7 with a Psvane 12AU7-T has improved things and by most standards it’s pretty neutral, certainly a much more neutral midrange and detail than a Audio Research LS25 that I heard in my system yesterday. Again, in a different system the results may change. The supplied remote is a universal remote and only controls volume, not mute or source selection but these are things that I usually do when putting on a CD or LP anyway in which case I'm standing by the preamp. It also gives me the opportunity to programme in all my other remotes, I have 6 or them now :mad:

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Analog: Pink Triangle (totally Funked) Kuzma Stogi Reference, Soundsmith Straingauge Digital: modified CEC TL-51X transport , MacMini, Weiss Minerva DAC Tuner: Tandberg A3011 Preamp: Octave HP500se Speakers: ADAM Tensor Deltas | Vibration management: HRS | Cables: Argento Serenity, WSS Kabel, Nordost, Transparent, Cardas |

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 10:35 PM

Thanks for the great review Prof.
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Posted 24 June 2012 - 10:35 PM

Hi,

what a review ! I'm not familiar with the product personally but it sure does come across that it's exceptional.

Q. What do you mean ‘downward dynamics’ ? I'm not familiar with this term

It's all an experiment !


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Posted 24 June 2012 - 11:05 PM

Downward dynamics are the samll soft low level sounds that add tibre and presence to the music

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 11:09 PM

Great review thanks Prof.

I was particularly interested to follow your preamp journey and then read that the Octave has both delicacy and slam.

It looks good too:

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and the specs

OCTAVE has also further refined the outboard power supply. MOSFET transistors regulate the high-voltage supply. Increased reservoir capacity, improved rectification with Schottky diodes, and end-to-end electronic stabilization all ensure a virtually noise-free supply voltage with a noise component of less than 300 µV. These measures contribute to the exceptionally high signal-to-noise ratio of 103dB.

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 11:23 PM

Downward dynamics are the samll soft low level sounds that add tibre and presence to the music


thank you

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 08:56 AM

Great review!

Were the Mullards burnt in? They really do need at least 40 hrs on them . I still dont think it would be as neutral as the Pasvane's, but they would at least loose the excess tubeiness you mentioned. On my Octave poweramp, i rolled in some Mullards. At first i felt they were too slow with no life in them, but after a couple of days that all seemed to go away. They sound quite nice now compared to the stock JJ EE82 tubes.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 09:40 AM

thank you

It's a reason why a low noise floor is important, that's where all the detail is. That's why passives excel, it's an affordable way to get a low noise floor, if the rest of the design is well executed then you get detail you just can't hear from a similarly priced active preamp. The difficulty of course is in getting both.

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Analog: Pink Triangle (totally Funked) Kuzma Stogi Reference, Soundsmith Straingauge Digital: modified CEC TL-51X transport , MacMini, Weiss Minerva DAC Tuner: Tandberg A3011 Preamp: Octave HP500se Speakers: ADAM Tensor Deltas | Vibration management: HRS | Cables: Argento Serenity, WSS Kabel, Nordost, Transparent, Cardas |

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 02:03 PM

May I ask what the entry price is? I couldnt find the "RRP" anywhere on the aussie dealers site. That probably means I cant afford it and shouldnt even be asking> Sir if you need to ask the price in your on the wrong web site

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 02:16 PM

Nada check with PMG but I was told that because each amp is ordered and built at the time, the price depends on the exchange rate.

regards Michael
Analog: Pink Triangle (totally Funked) Kuzma Stogi Reference, Soundsmith Straingauge Digital: modified CEC TL-51X transport , MacMini, Weiss Minerva DAC Tuner: Tandberg A3011 Preamp: Octave HP500se Speakers: ADAM Tensor Deltas | Vibration management: HRS | Cables: Argento Serenity, WSS Kabel, Nordost, Transparent, Cardas |

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 02:19 PM

Great review!

Were the Mullards burnt in? They really do need at least 40 hrs on them . I still dont think it would be as neutral as the Pasvane's, but they would at least loose the excess tubeiness you mentioned. On my Octave poweramp, i rolled in some Mullards. At first i felt they were too slow with no life in them, but after a couple of days that all seemed to go away. They sound quite nice now compared to the stock JJ EE82 tubes.

My Mullard was removed as soon as I got the preamp, but the unit that I auditioned had a well run-in Mullard in it and it just didn't grab me - much too 'tubey' after the neutrality of the StereoKnight.

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Analog: Pink Triangle (totally Funked) Kuzma Stogi Reference, Soundsmith Straingauge Digital: modified CEC TL-51X transport , MacMini, Weiss Minerva DAC Tuner: Tandberg A3011 Preamp: Octave HP500se Speakers: ADAM Tensor Deltas | Vibration management: HRS | Cables: Argento Serenity, WSS Kabel, Nordost, Transparent, Cardas |

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 03:14 PM

Some photos:

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Here's an overview of a fairly traditional looking preamp.

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A rear view with balanced XLR outputs. Unlike other preamps I've owned the connectors aren't cramped so there's plenty of room to insert and remove bulky connectors.

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There's a choice of 2 gain options - high and low. Even with the low output of the strain Gauge, low output is fine.

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How many modern amps come with a tape monitor?

regards Michael
Analog: Pink Triangle (totally Funked) Kuzma Stogi Reference, Soundsmith Straingauge Digital: modified CEC TL-51X transport , MacMini, Weiss Minerva DAC Tuner: Tandberg A3011 Preamp: Octave HP500se Speakers: ADAM Tensor Deltas | Vibration management: HRS | Cables: Argento Serenity, WSS Kabel, Nordost, Transparent, Cardas |

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 03:26 PM

Did you get the theater bypass option?

Got to agree the build quality of the Octave products are superb!!

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 04:12 PM

Lovely photos thanks Prof. Looks like your preamp dilemma is solved.
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 04:21 PM

Looks like a beast!

Very nice write up too, enjoyed reading :thumb:

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 04:45 PM

Great review, it looks very tempting. Thanks for shearing… :) :thumb:

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:01 PM

thanks for the review prof.

Another pre amp to add to my to audition list :)

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 07:49 PM

Nice write up Proft :) I quite like the Octave amps & their industrial design is very nice.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 05:35 PM

Did you get the theater bypass option?

Got to agree the build quality of the Octave products are superb!!

AFAIK that option is only available for the HP300. I'm already thinking about one of those to use with my Avantgardes after we move (unless someone buys them).

regards Michael
Analog: Pink Triangle (totally Funked) Kuzma Stogi Reference, Soundsmith Straingauge Digital: modified CEC TL-51X transport , MacMini, Weiss Minerva DAC Tuner: Tandberg A3011 Preamp: Octave HP500se Speakers: ADAM Tensor Deltas | Vibration management: HRS | Cables: Argento Serenity, WSS Kabel, Nordost, Transparent, Cardas |

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 06:34 PM

OK, I've used this component in my system for 2 months now, probably enough time for a considered opinion. Let's start with the things that I don't like (this'll be quick):

As I mentioned, there are LEDs scattered in a seemingly haphazard arrangement on the front panel. This isn't a criticism of the product as such, it just offends my sense of symmetry
There has been some noise in the volume pot from new. Thanks to Warwick at PMG and Andreas Hoffman at Octave it seems to be clear that it's only audible on the phono circuit and seems to be the result of some DC offset, probably in my Strain Gauge energiser unit, rather than a noisy pot. Not a problem with the preamp as such and barely audible but it was a new product so worth investigating. Good response from the dealer and manufacturer :thumb:
This preamp should come with its own screwdriver - the case can only be removed with a long and very skinny screwdriver as the fixing screws can only be reached through the perforated amp cover itself. This has taken a bit of tracking down.

OK so lets now move to the bit I like - talking about the sound itself. This amp has been described as an extremely neutral preamp, not just 'for a valve preamp' neutral, but also 'compared to good solid state' neutral. It isn't as neutral as my passive StereoKnight and has a slight upper midrange fullness, not 'bloom', not 'lushness', certainly not fat, and not at all unpleasant, but certainly a different presentation from the StereoKnight. In return though this is a preamp that removes very little information from the signal chain. Bass is deep and detailed, not at all dry, not at all fat. I had an opportunity to compare this in my own system to an Audio Research LS26, the AR had a fat boomy one note bass bereft of detail. Acoustic bass is rendered with great detail and timbre, electric bass is powerful and extended, but with great detail and control. I also had a Vacuum State preamp in the system for a week with a 1 day comparison to the Octave. Both were fast and detailed with impressive imaging but the bass extension and detail was lacking on the Vacuum State in comparison.

The Octave's beefed up power supply easily handles bass drum transients, whilst also revealing midrange detail. Pianos in particular sound amazingly realistic. Yes, I know all amplifiers do this, however the Octave does it more so. Its contribution to timbre is perhaps its greatest strength. Of course this is not the preamp I'm describing but the system, whilst all that detail was there with the StereoKnight, the Octave adds the third dimension. I'm not just talking about imaging here rather than time - this preamp does attack and decay very well, both at low attenuation (loud volumes) and also high attenuation (soft volume), I think a more difficult task for a system. Overall it seems a very good match for the ADAMs, and it brings out the best in the Strain Gauge.

What's next? I'm going to try some tube rolling.

regards Michael
Analog: Pink Triangle (totally Funked) Kuzma Stogi Reference, Soundsmith Straingauge Digital: modified CEC TL-51X transport , MacMini, Weiss Minerva DAC Tuner: Tandberg A3011 Preamp: Octave HP500se Speakers: ADAM Tensor Deltas | Vibration management: HRS | Cables: Argento Serenity, WSS Kabel, Nordost, Transparent, Cardas |

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 02:13 PM

Great review Michael....... :thumb: perhaps bit more on the phonostage... :) :)
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 12:50 PM

Hi Michael , i have been using my octave for about 3 months now and i agree with you about every thing including the slight upper midrange fullness, its not an issue at all but just there.

After resting on some decent isolation (HRS) i then rolled a Psavane tube in and that lifted its performance again.

About two weeks ago i replaced the Mullards with two E280F Valvos and cant believe the difference, midrange fullness gone, it is now so neutral and clean with even more transparency and lovely bass with tone and impact that you just don't get from a passive, and i have had my share. I suggest you give it try
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PS, i actually like the blue lights and i have found the handles very practical !

Edited by mungo, 29 August 2012 - 12:52 PM.


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Posted 29 August 2012 - 02:02 PM

Hi mungo
I'm also using some HRS isolators, amazing devices, especially for the price. I'm hoping to try some Valvos, especially since reading about your experience. I like the blue lights, they match all my other blue lights, it's just the asymmetry, but that's my issue

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Analog: Pink Triangle (totally Funked) Kuzma Stogi Reference, Soundsmith Straingauge Digital: modified CEC TL-51X transport , MacMini, Weiss Minerva DAC Tuner: Tandberg A3011 Preamp: Octave HP500se Speakers: ADAM Tensor Deltas | Vibration management: HRS | Cables: Argento Serenity, WSS Kabel, Nordost, Transparent, Cardas |

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 07:36 PM

I fitted some Valvos today, they are still running in but they seem to have improved the bass resolution and extended the bass even lower as well as removing that mild midrange bloom that came with the Mullards. So far so good :party

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Analog: Pink Triangle (totally Funked) Kuzma Stogi Reference, Soundsmith Straingauge Digital: modified CEC TL-51X transport , MacMini, Weiss Minerva DAC Tuner: Tandberg A3011 Preamp: Octave HP500se Speakers: ADAM Tensor Deltas | Vibration management: HRS | Cables: Argento Serenity, WSS Kabel, Nordost, Transparent, Cardas |

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 12:32 PM

Hey Prof, how are you going with the new tubes? i fitted a pair of Valvo EF 184 nos valves about 4 days ago and really like them, cheers
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 12:45 PM

The Valvos are military spec valves so it sounds like the 2000 hours burn in time will take almost 2 years! Having said that they are certainly more neutral than the Mullards with even better and even more detailed bass extension and better high end detail. I'm very happy so far. It's a great preamp. I've also added a new remote control that gives me finer incremental changes in volume as well as a certain geeky 'wow factor'.

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Analog: Pink Triangle (totally Funked) Kuzma Stogi Reference, Soundsmith Straingauge Digital: modified CEC TL-51X transport , MacMini, Weiss Minerva DAC Tuner: Tandberg A3011 Preamp: Octave HP500se Speakers: ADAM Tensor Deltas | Vibration management: HRS | Cables: Argento Serenity, WSS Kabel, Nordost, Transparent, Cardas |

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 01:33 PM

The Valvos are military spec valves.... are certainly more neutral than the Mullards with even better and even more detailed bass extension and better high end detail.


I found the same thing but astonishingly in a complelty different piece of equipment and with different valve types. Im surprised that both the Mullards sounded sweeter in the midrange - too sweet for me while the russian military tubes were much clearer with better bass. Im even more surprised when I think that none of the valve types as far as I know was ever designed with music in mind.

The Mullards are very gentile and polite. The Ruskies are no nonsense and staight up. I can only surmise that the character traits of the respective workers infused the valves psychically in a manner similar to the production of homopathic "medicines" in a way that colours the sound output in an archetypal manner?

I've also added a new remote control that gives me finer incremental changes in volume as well as a certain geeky 'wow factor'.


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how well does the wand waving functions work - like waving it up to turn the volume up etc?

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 02:23 PM

It comes from a company that started making Harry Potter wands as remotes, this is just a variation. It learns off your own remote (as long as it is IR) and I use it to adjust volume as this is all the Octave remote does anyway. You can use any gesture you want, I use rotation, it works just like a volume control:)

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Analog: Pink Triangle (totally Funked) Kuzma Stogi Reference, Soundsmith Straingauge Digital: modified CEC TL-51X transport , MacMini, Weiss Minerva DAC Tuner: Tandberg A3011 Preamp: Octave HP500se Speakers: ADAM Tensor Deltas | Vibration management: HRS | Cables: Argento Serenity, WSS Kabel, Nordost, Transparent, Cardas |

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:06 AM

Hi Prof, i changed cables from the KSS to the Argento flow and loved what it did to the system but found the Valvo E280F too tight and bass to blown,

i remembered i had some Valvo EF 184' s here and switched to them, even increased transparency , imaging tonality etc, no bass issues at all, just lovely tone and great impact. I am assuming it is a different valve than the E280F because i had to change the internal switch back to the setting used for the Mullards?

I don't really understand all that but gee they sound lovely, about $30 from ebay germany.

would you recommend the remote? i find the other a bit slow and too big for just volume? cheers M

Edited by mungo, 04 November 2012 - 10:06 AM.


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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:31 AM

The sonic screwdriver has a lovely weighty feel and is very well made. It offers much finer adjustment for volume but is sensitive to extraneous movements. I'll try programming in a different movement for adjusting the volume but I've stopped using the supplied remote now

regards Michael
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#31 valvelover

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 11:31 AM

Thanks for the review Michael - Warwick has recommended this preamp to me - it isn't cheap though and would be some years away before I could afford something like this (other more important things have taken priority in my life). The drawback to me is the phono stage - I do not require one. I would if it can be replaced by an extra line stage...

Dave
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 11:42 AM

Thanks for the review Michael - Warwick has recommended this preamp to me - it isn't cheap though and would be some years away before I could afford something like this (other more important things have taken priority in my life). The drawback to me is the phono stage - I do not require one. I would if it can be replaced by an extra line stage...

Dave

Yes, it can and has been in mine :party

regards Michael
Analog: Pink Triangle (totally Funked) Kuzma Stogi Reference, Soundsmith Straingauge Digital: modified CEC TL-51X transport , MacMini, Weiss Minerva DAC Tuner: Tandberg A3011 Preamp: Octave HP500se Speakers: ADAM Tensor Deltas | Vibration management: HRS | Cables: Argento Serenity, WSS Kabel, Nordost, Transparent, Cardas |

Second System Source: Cambridge Audio DV99 | Apple TV (Gen 1)| DACMagic | Amplification: Sugden A25 Speakers: ADAM HM2


#33 valvelover

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 11:56 AM

Well that's a good sign. Still will be some time before I can afford one.

Dave

Yes, it can and has been in mine :party


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