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[barelythere]

Have booked into sex counselling.

SNA is very helpful. Have informed Mrs Mustud.

Group Buy?

[Super Mustud]

Group Buy?

I don't think Mrs Mustud will do that.

[barelythere]

I don't think Mrs Mustud will do that.

Wasn't asking her....

[Super Mustud]

Wasn't asking her....

Now you've hurt her feelings.

[barelythere]

[Zammo]

Hmmm, so a group sex therapy session with the Mustud's and a few hairy bikers on Harleys. How did we get here from dooring?

[barelythere]

Seemed logical at the time...

[gainphile]

Any ideas out there on how the risk of dooring might be reduced? Technological or otherwise?

I ride the bicycle *assuming always* that people would open their doors suddenly. Unfortunately this means 1) riding very slow when passing parked cars and 2) not strictly riding on bicycle path.

But whatever works I guess so long as I'm safe. Never trust other road users (they could be distracted, drunk, etc), nor legislations!

I look at how many cyclist ride, mostly fast road bikers, and cringe how they seem to assume that everyone else would accomodate them.

[Super Mustud]

This is what it's like being a cyclist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAFzj92YF_g

Had another look at this clip this evening, and I think that my earlier impression is correct. An example of a cyclist travelling waaaay faster than traffic speed with what seems to me almost suicidal disregard to the traffic hazards in the area.

I don't know how representative this example is of doorings, however as it was posted by a regular cyclist I imagine it most probably is. Prof, was it posted as an example of foolish cyclish?

I doubt that the car passenger had a chance. Arguably the car owner would have a successful case against the cyclist for lack of care. An example of the Darwin Awards at work?

I know I would never do that riding a scooter.

[Jake]

Looks faster than it was.


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[Super Mustud]

Looks faster than it was.


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Maybe, Jake, however to be honest it looked like survival skills were skimpy. Darwin Awards really do come to mind.

I wonder how many times that has happened to that particular individual? I doubt it will have been the first time.

[Jake]

Maybe, Jake, however to be honest it looked like survival skills were skimpy. Darwin Awards really do come to mind.

I wonder how many times that has happened to that particular individual? I doubt it will have been the first time.

agreed, he should look before opening the door


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[Super Mustud]

agreed, he should look before opening the door


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Hmmm...just making the observation. It is no skin off my nose if a few dillberry cyclists cease to contribute their genes.

I repeat, as scooter rider I would never ride as that cyclist did. I doubt that there would be many motorcyclists who would. For the obvious reason that it is inviting an accident.

Perhaps all those years of wearing lycra instead of protective clothing makes cyclists uncaring about harm?

[Jake]

It's a cycle lane. You aren't allowed down there on your Vespa SM so your assertions of righteousness are unfounded.

[Super Mustud]

It's a cycle lane. You aren't allowed down there on your Vespa SM so your assertions of righteousness are unfounded.

Its not righteousness, Jake, so much as common sense.

Do you run across the road regardless of the traffic just because the pedestrian light turns green?

[Jake]

Your analogy is as suitable for the car passenger.

[Super Mustud]

Your analogy is as suitable for the car passenger.

I am wasting my time trying to work against he Darwin Awards syndrome.

[Jake]

I am wasting my time trying to work against he Darwin Awards syndrome.

So if a car is present adjacent to a cycle lane the bike should stop?
Perhaps those in cars need to take some responsibility for road safety.


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[proftournesol]

So Mustud what practical advice can you give us?

[Jake]

So Mustud what practical advice can you give us?

If Mustud rode a bike he would only cycle to the nearest latte bar. Reduces dooring risk.


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[proftournesol]

If Mustud rode a bike he would only cycle to the nearest latte bar. Reduces dooring risk.


Sent from eyefone.

If a cyclist was riding a bike below the Thompson dam and the Greens blew the dam up it would still be the cyclist's fault

[Jake]

If a cyclist was riding a bike below the Thompson dam and the Greens blew the dam up it would still be the cyclist's fault

Bazinga


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[L J T]

Saw something really stupid on the weekend. Bus pulled over at a scheduled stop on a main road in Brisbane.

Cyclists go around bus and pass on the right hand side while it is stopped.

Bus takes off and almost wipes out 2 cyclists who abused the driver and use hand gestures as they were forced to ride in the middle of the road.

Cars have to give way to stopped busses, why don't cyclists?

No doubt the cyclists were in the wrong this time. They were lucky they didn't get run over.

There are bad cyclists on the road and there are bad drivers on the road. The only solution is to separate them totally.

[barelythere]

The bus driver should not have puled out forcing the riders to swerve, that is illegal, unsafe and plain stupid.
Yes, car drivers and cyclists have to give way to buses pulling out of bus bays, but not once they have started to pass the bus itself and the bus driver has to be sensible and safe in the manner in which they leave the bus bay.
The difference between a bad driver and a bad cyclist is that the bad cyclists rarely end up killing a driver, whereas bad drivers regularly kill cyclists.
We are talking lives here, this antagonistic attitude drivers have towards cyclists is pathetic. Do they think the cyclists enjoy having their lives threatened every day?

If cyclists rode around waving guns about and randomly shooting at drivers there would be an outrage, however no-one seems to care about all the cyclists that get killed by drivers using their cars just like weapons.

A license to drive is not a right its a privilege.

[Super Mustud]

So if a car is present adjacent to a cycle lane the bike should stop?
Perhaps those in cars need to take some responsibility for road safety.


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I think I should not interfere with the will of nature. Those with a poor survival instinct must seek salvation in the Lord.

[Super Mustud]

Bazinga


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Pretty obviously. By the way, does S H-Y cycle? In lycra?

Save the Thomson.

[Super Mustud]

The bus driver should not have puled out forcing the riders to swerve, that is illegal, unsafe and plain stupid.
Yes, car drivers and cyclists have to give way to buses pulling out of bus bays, but not once they have started to pass the bus itself and the bus driver has to be sensible and safe in the manner in which they leave the bus bay.
The difference between a bad driver and a bad cyclist is that the bad cyclists rarely end up killing a driver, whereas bad drivers regularly kill cyclists.
We are talking lives here, this antagonistic attitude drivers have towards cyclists is pathetic. Do they think the cyclists enjoy having their lives threatened every day?

If cyclists rode around waving guns about and randomly shooting at drivers there would be an outrage, however no-one seems to care about all the cyclists that get killed by drivers using their cars just like weapons.

A license to drive is not a right its a privilege.

Agree with all that. But I am aghast at the video clip that was posted earlier as an example of motor car passenger stupidity. I see it as an example of even greater stupidity by the cyclist. I am then even much more aghasterer that some cyclists here do not realise this.

It worries me that we may lose several of our mods if they do not become more careful.

It is empathy like this that is at the core of Super Mustud.

[barelythere]

Yes, I would agree, the rider in that clip was not acting in his own best interests, bike lane or no bike lane.

[Zammo]

Bus pulled over at a scheduled stop on a main road in Brisbane.

Cyclists go around bus and pass on the right hand side while it is stopped.

Bus takes off and almost wipes out 2 cyclists who abused the driver and use hand gestures as they were forced to ride in the middle of the road.

Cars have to give way to stopped busses, why don't cyclists?

No doubt the cyclists were in the wrong this time.

Not sure I understand, unless the law is different in Brisbane. If a bus has pulled over and is stopped, cars have to stop in the adjacent lane until the bus pulls out in front? Even if the bus stops for ten minutes? That doesn't sound right.

[krebetman]

Agree with all that. But I am aghast at the video clip that was posted earlier as an example of motor car passenger stupidity. I see it as an example of even greater stupidity by the cyclist. I am then even much more aghasterer that some cyclists here do not realise this.

Are you saying the cyclist was being more stupid riding arguably a bit fast (20kph ain't fast btw) down a bike lane than the passenger who flung the door open into said bike lane????

Just how fast should bikes be able to ride? Seems that? Looking at the clip, even if the rider had been doing 5kph, he would have got the door.

Don't get me wrong, everybody has to be more careful- but that passenger was absolutely and undeniably in the wrong and there should be nobody defending his position.

If the bike had not been coming straight down the lane lit up like a Myer window at Christmas, or done any of the damn fool things many cyclists do (like riding up between tram stops and the tram) I would say Darwin was at work.

Edited by krebetman, 09 July 2012 - 03:39 PM.

[barelythere]

I'm not defending the passenger, no issues with your comments about them. But I do feel the rider could have been a little more careful and potentially avoided that hit. I never ride in traffic like that just because it is so unpredictable and dangerous. I'm also wondering if the cabbie is not at some fault for letting a passenger out in what could be a dangerous location, people don't deal to well with being run into by cyclists...

Edited by barelythere, 09 July 2012 - 02:28 PM.

[L J T]

Not sure I understand, unless the law is different in Brisbane. If a bus has pulled over and is stopped, cars have to stop in the adjacent lane until the bus pulls out in front? Even if the bus stops for ten minutes? That doesn't sound right.

If the bus is stopped at a scheduled pickup point for passengers, cars must give way to the bus entering traffic again. These cyclists did not stop, they were behind the bus and proceeded to pass. Cars cannot do this. There are even signs that are on the top right hand corner of the rear of the bus stating you have to give way to the bus entering traffic again.

[Zammo]

If the bus is stopped at a scheduled pickup point for passengers, cars must give way to the bus entering traffic again. These cyclists did not stop, they were behind the bus and proceeded to pass. Cars cannot do this. There are even signs that are on the top right hand corner of the rear of the bus stating you have to give way to the bus entering traffic again.

Ahh, so same as in Victoria. The point of contention is at what point did the bus re-enter the traffic stream. If the cyclists were already alongside, the bus should not try to kill them.

[proftournesol]

Agree with all that. But I am aghast at the video clip that was posted earlier as an example of motor car passenger stupidity. I see it as an example of even greater stupidity by the cyclist. I am then even much more aghasterer that some cyclists here do not realise this.

It worries me that we may lose several of our mods if they do not become more careful.

It is empathy like this that is at the core of Super Mustud.

So Mustud what sensible practical advice would you give to cyclists in this case?

[Super Mustud]

So Mustud what sensible practical advice would you give to cyclists in this case?

Take care, remember that lycra is not a weapon, and shout "SAVE THE THOMSON" every time you pass a car at more than 5 kph.

[LogicprObe]

Ahh, so same as in Victoria. The point of contention is at what point did the bus re-enter the traffic stream. If the cyclists were already alongside, the bus should not try to kill them.

He probably couldn't see them.

[proftournesol]

he probably didn't see them, that's not the same as couldn't see them. The commonest explanation I get when somebody has nearly injured or killed me is 'oh I didn't see you' as if that makes it OK.

[proftournesol]

Take care, remember that lycra is not a weapon, and shout "SAVE THE THOMSON" every time you pass a car at more than 5 kph.

I take care, I ride in the left lane 1m from the curb. I obey the road rules, all of them all of the time. I never cross red lights or crossing lights on a bike, I always indicate. I appreciate that lycra is not a weapon and that I'm very vulnerable and ride appropriately. Despite that I get tooted, abuse shouted at me, cars pass literally within centimetres, nearly doored on many occasions, cut off by cars suddenly pulling in and out of parking spots even if they've just overtaken me. I've been spat at, squirted with super squirters and had tacks thrown in front of my bike. Any other ideas Mustud?

[Super Mustud]

I take care, I ride in the left lane 1m from the curb. I obey the road rules, all of them all of the time. I never cross red lights or crossing lights on a bike, I always indicate. I appreciate that lycra is not a weapon and that I'm very vulnerable and ride appropriately. Despite that I get tooted, abuse shouted at me, cars pass literally within centimetres, nearly doored on many occasions, cut off by cars suddenly pulling in and out of parking spots even if they've just overtaken me. I've been spat at, squirted with super squirters and had tacks thrown in front of my bike. Any other ideas Mustud?

Nope, and I am not on a hate cyclist jag. My youngest daughter does 30 km by bike every day, remember? I am telling you exactly what I tell her, however my recent posts have been about a video that shows a cyclist not taking the care I consider necessary. That does not excuse the passenger, just seeking not to lose a moderator.

I do think that many cyclists pass cars in the cycle lane too fast. Just a view. You are free to reject that view. But I hope you don't.

[Dustin]

Agree with all that. But I am aghast at the video clip that was posted earlier as an example of motor car passenger stupidity. I see it as an example of even greater stupidity by the cyclist. I am then even much more aghasterer that some cyclists here do not realise this.

I tend to agree.

Surely this is an issue of 'driving to the conditions' . . or 'riding to the conditions' in this case.

Merely complying with the road rules isn't really enough if you're a cyclist expecting to survive.
I recall my instructor at the first defensive driving course I went to all those years ago. He pointed out that the only part of the road you have any control over is the space in front of you.

[Zammo]

He probably couldn't see them.

I pass pulled over buses quite regularly on my work commute. If they are stopped and I am passing, I can easily eyeball the driver and them me in their large side mirror. They always look and let me or cars through if we are alongside. If I'm just behind and they indicate, I slow and let them enter. It's not difficult . It simply requires mutual respect and a strong desire not to kill anyone. If the cyclists in Brisbane were alongside, the bus driver could have seen them if he looked.

[davidsss]

The whole point of that video was that the passenger illegally opened their door into a traffic lane. Do you think they would have been so careless if the lane to their left was a car lane rather than a bike lane? I very much doubt it. There is all the fault with the passenger because they opened their door in a way which obstructed traffic, which is illegal Do we have to ride around assuming people are going to do illegal things in front of us all the time, I know I assume they are stupid and will do stupid things but there are limits, opening a passenger side door into traffic is so stupid it is hard to take into account. As for sensible riding speeds there is a limit to how slowly we can ride before we might as well walk. That bike was not going more than 10KMh which is quite a reasonable speed in the conditions. Pity they didn't charge the passenger who clearly not only broke the law but also caused an accident as a result of their law breaking. If we all had to travel around assuming someone was going to do something that stupid then cars would not be able to go over 15KMh and trams would have to be restricted to about 5KMh. You have to be able to travel at a decent speed.

DS