1387 replies to this topic

[kajak12]

Proper testing would be required. The literature suggests jitter is a non issue (pcm to pwm). Audiophiles are prone to want to find differences where they don't exist
Thanks
Bill

here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kajak12]

what is the fault or defect kajak12? Should people avoid buying it as it is faulty?

not faulty or does it have a defect

[Lil Caesar]

Jeeesus I'd love to see what happens if drizt and kajak ever got stuck in a lift together

...and leave bhobba out of this.... He seems to have found his inner Dude lately and I'm enjoying the fact that he can indeed abide from time to time

[Drizt]

All is good lil C No need to stress.

[Proac]

Jeeesus I'd love to see what happens if drizt and kajak ever got stuck in a lift together

...and leave bhobba out of this.... He seems to have found his inner Dude lately and I'm enjoying the fact that he can indeed abide from time to time

Ha ha ha ...post of the night...excellent.

Edited by Proac, 05 April 2012 - 09:44 PM.

[Drizt]

Ha ha ha ...post of the night...excellent.

I don't know, I reckon the bait in post #130 was up there.

[rehabitat]

That was yesterday

[wis97non]

Aha. Suspected that but thanks for confirming. Alas, maybe a firmware update at some point will give us dsd.

Wont NAD have to pay Sony a licensing fee to pass DSD via HDMI?

[Lil Caesar]

...well they are paying hdmi fees already, what's a bit of dsd loving....

[wis97non]

I hear Sony charges a lot! I think they err on the side of greed. Hoping for the best though...

[joz]

Is there anything this DAC can't do?

yep there is, but I'm married anyhow.

[wis97non]

Joz, your avatar cracks me up!

[joz]

Joz, your avatar cracks me up!

Why?










A bit disturbing isn't it, I mean my kid doesnt even look Indonesian or was it Balinese?

Edited by joz, 06 April 2012 - 07:29 AM.

[wis97non]

I showed it to a colleague at work and she too cracked up! Smoking Mafia baby!

[note]

joz, you are in the wrong topic here!
stop spreading your crap around, please

Edited by note, 06 April 2012 - 11:10 AM.

[joz]

I showed it to a colleague at work and she too cracked up! Smoking Mafia baby!

Yea, made me giggle when I first dound it too

joz, you are in the wrong topic here!
stop spreading your crap around, please

Settle petal,sometimes things drift OT around here.
But for you

But Ok back to regular programming now.

[Grimmie]

Yeah Joz!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just 'cos you've got over 4000 posts don't mean you can spread any old crap on here, - just 'coz peeps like a laugh and that was funny (if tragic) don't mean that a complete newb can't come and slap you down in his SECOND post. He has rights too ya know.

So it looks like this is another wonder DAC for me to consider. Trouble is that the changes in technology and release of new products is far quicker than my power of decision. At this rate I'll never buy anything.

[Davey Willo]

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Edited by Davey Willo, 08 April 2012 - 12:21 PM.

[:) al]

~.

So it looks like this is another wonder DAC for me to consider. Trouble is that the changes in technology and release of new products is far quicker than my power of decision. At this rate I'll never buy anything.

grimmie you mean you havent checked this one out as yet ? I only pointed it to you 5 months ago !

http://www.stereo.ne...post__p__596702



ps I am myself only going to check it out when in the market. no point checking out things not in a position to buy

Edited by :) al, 07 April 2012 - 09:18 PM.

[GraemeB]

Now, now, settle pettle(s).

Where were we? Oh yes: "NAD M51 Listening impressions".

Listening to it right now. Sounding bloody good via optical (until USB via Mac OS X Lion is fixed!).

It's at least another class above the DACs I've previously used (including the VERY capable and musical John Kenny JKDAC32), in MY system at least. As the saying goes, YMMV!

Edited by GraemeB, 07 April 2012 - 09:30 PM.

[Lil Caesar]

...had the pleasure of hearing the m51 paired with Yammy ns-1000s and Krell KAS class a monos today.

These vintage SOTA speakers and amps pretty much left me speechless. Never heard anything quite like it.

The nad felt right at home, but I'm biased of course

most important, it did not feel out of place.

[Yamaha Man]

...had the pleasure of hearing the m51 paired with Yammy ns-1000s and Krell KAS class a monos today.

These vintage SOTA speakers and amps pretty much left me speechless. Never heard anything quite like it.

The nad felt right at home, but I'm biased of course

most important, it did not feel out of place.

Just imagine how good it would sound with some Gales in the equation!

[pchan]

...had the pleasure of hearing the m51 paired with Yammy ns-1000s and Krell KAS class a monos today.

These vintage SOTA speakers and amps pretty much left me speechless. Never heard anything quite like it.

The nad felt right at home, but I'm biased of course

most important, it did not feel out of place.

Was the M51 driving the krell monoblocks direct???

[Yamaha Man]

Was the M51 driving the krell monoblocks direct???

Used as a DAC to begin with then a pre.

[pchan]

So the RTR the M51 is value ATM???
Will you be getting one?

[Davey Willo]

Oh man I can't wait for mine to arrive!!

[joz]

Anyone waiting for an M51 won't be dissappointed.
For me the SQ,features for the $$$ is a relative bargain.
As always the disclaimer...YMMV

Yes RTR,i wish we had some Gales too!

Actually some Sashas would have been better

Hangin for the next session already.

[ktf]

Anyone managed to compare the USB input with a dedicated transport + coax entry , like an Audiophileo 2 ? What I mean is , is it a quality USB input or still lacking and below the AP2 / JK modded one ?

[GraemeB]

ktf, I'm currently pondering the same thing! Would be VERY interested in M51 users' experiences with both.

[ktf]

Yeah, I believe that's the most important test (for me at least). As of now, the M51 is priced like 200 euros or so less than the Audio GD Reference 7.1, which is considered a great DAC. If the USB input is good enough and it would save the cost of an Audiophileo 2, this would be a VERY nice deal. However, if you would have to use an AP2 to get full advantage of the DAC, it would be a rather indecisive result versus the Ref 7.1 for those interested sole on PC playback, like I am.

[bhobba]

Anyone managed to compare the USB input with a dedicated transport + coax entry , like an Audiophileo 2 ? What I mean is , is it a quality USB input or still lacking and below the AP2 / JK modded one ?

USB input is very good but using the Audiophilleo feeding the Coax was better (more powerful bottom end)

Yea - evidently its been tried - with the result being the Audiophlilleo improves things - and I would expect the Off-Ramp to improve things further.

Thanks
Bill

Edited by bhobba, 09 April 2012 - 08:11 AM.

[Proac]

The Ref 7.1 is a very different sounding dac to the M51 - I'd be less focused on saving a few hundrd dollars and more focused on picking the one that appeals to you. The ref 7.1 needs an AP2, the M51 can live without one.

[kajak12]

The Ref 7.1 is a very different sounding dac to the M51 - I'd be less focused on saving a few hundrd dollars and more focused on picking the one that appeals to you. The ref 7.1 needs an AP2, the M51 can live without one.

Could this mean that audio gd has some serious competition in the 1.5k range?
Kingwa has some work to do

[kunarx]

I have compared the lite dac 83 with the M51 in my system. Had them both so did an A - B comparison. At least in my system, the M51 was much better in every aspect, soundstage,clarity, imaging, etc etc.
I have not heard the AGD 7.1 so cannot give my opinion on it ,but know the Lite compares well to 7.1 but the lite didn't do well against M51, in my setup.

[Shmonk]

I have compared the lite dac 83 with the M51 in my system. Had them both so did an A - B comparison. At least in my system, the M51 was much better in every aspect, soundstage,clarity, imaging, etc etc.
I have not heard the AGD 7.1 so cannot give my opinion on it ,but know the Lite compares well to 7.1 but the lite didn't do well against M51, in my setup.

That's interesting. What was the source and was something like the AP2 involved?

[pchan]

I have compared the lite dac 83 with the M51 in my system. Had them both so did an A - B comparison. At least in my system, the M51 was much better in every aspect, soundstage,clarity, imaging, etc etc.
I have not heard the AGD 7.1 so cannot give my opinion on it ,but know the Lite compares well to 7.1 but the lite didn't do well against M51, in my setup.

Was the A&B comparison done with s/pdif or USB?????

[kunarx]

Was the A&B comparison done with s/pdif or USB?????

Lite has no USB so comparison done using spdif input of both using Ap2 and a CD transport.

Also compared computer via USB in into m51 and Ap2 into spdif of lite. In all combinations m51 came out on top.

[pchan]

Lite has no USB so comparison done using spdif input of both using Ap2 and a CD transport.

Also compared computer via USB in into m51 and Ap2 into spdif of lite. In all combinations m51 came out on top.

Have you used the pre of the M51 to drive a power amp direct, because that's what I'll be doing and to do away with any physical volume pots!
Many Thnxs

Pchan

[Drizt]

Have you used the pre of the M51 to drive a power amp direct, because that's what I'll be doing and to do away with any physical volume pots!
Many Thnxs

Pchan

Thats how I would be using it too.

[kunarx]

I have already sold my pre. I am using it directly to my active speakers. I like it best without a pre.

[ktf]

What active speakers are we talking about , by the way ?

[Lil Caesar]

...probably SGR CX4Fs...

[kunarx]

...probably SGR CX4Fs...

Yep. They are ones.

[bzr]

I'm not waiting for one of these so I've got myself a MSB Signature DAC IV instead

[Lil Caesar]

....and what does the MSB cost ?