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[Once Analog]

Comments by Lance Fellows, A.C.T. Based Audiophile.
Lp: Kate Ceberano/Wendy Matthews "You've Always Got The Blues" (836 055-1) ABC Recording, side one, track one.

Basis Vector 4/Benz Lp Ebony

Nice full musical sound, not a thin dry sound. Very good separation of voice/instruments. Easy to listen to, expect a low level of fatigue with extended listening. Good clarity/ great sound.


SME V/Benz Lp Ebony

Little difference in sound to my ears. The comments made above for the Basis 4 apply to this setup. The bottom line is that both provide excellent/realistic sound that one could live with for a long time.


Syrinx PU3/Benz Lp Ebony

Similar sound as the Basis Vector 4 and SME V, except, that the soundstage is more detailed/refined and is quite a seductive sound. You get alot of detail that is HD in quality, very realistic, mind engaging.


Regards to all, Vince

[Steve M]

Not sure what this thread is meant to achieve, but in my experience the difference in tonearms is all about system synergy and where 'your head' is at the time ...sometimes it makes a difference and sometimes it does not.

As a point of reference I have had SME V & SME 12, Dynavector DV-505, Saec W317, Rega RB300 VdH rewired, Grace, Denon, Thorens, Lux and Project tonearms.

A high quality MC cartridge makes more difference than any fancy tonearm, but thats just my humble opinion.

Steve.

Edited by Steve M, 25 March 2012 - 11:53 PM.

[jimdgoulding]

I wish I had a Syrinx PU3 just cause its a bit of a collectors item and because The Absolute Sound thought highly of it in the day. I imagine your Benz cart is no slouch, either. Sounds like you're having fun. The best deal I know of in MC cartridges is ZU modified metal body Denon 103 which you can purchase direct from ZU. I would then send it off to SoundSmith for their ruby cantilever and line contact stylus mod. All of that would come in for less than $1000.00US.

Edited by jimdgoulding, 26 March 2012 - 03:53 AM.

[andyr]

Comments by Lance Fellows, A.C.T. Based Audiophile.
Lp: Kate Ceberano/Wendy Matthews "You've Always Got The Blues" (836 055-1) ABC Recording, side one, track one.

Basis Vector 4/Benz Lp Ebony

Nice full musical sound, not a thin dry sound. Very good separation of voice/instruments. Easy to listen to, expect a low level of fatigue with extended listening. Good clarity/ great sound.


SME V/Benz Lp Ebony

Little difference in sound to my ears. The comments made above for the Basis 4 apply to this setup. The bottom line is that both provide excellent/realistic sound that one could live with for a long time.


Syrinx PU3/Benz Lp Ebony

Similar sound as the Basis Vector 4 and SME V, except, that the soundstage is more detailed/refined and is quite a seductive sound. You get alot of detail that is HD in quality, very realistic, mind engaging.


Regards to all, Vince

Were these all on different tables, Vince? If so, bring the Kate Ceberano album down when you next come to Melbourne and you can hear a Benz Ebony LP on yet another arm ... but on a different table.

Regards,

Andy

[Once Analog]

Were these all on different tables, Vince? If so, bring the Kate Ceberano album down when you next come to Melbourne and you can hear a Benz Ebony LP on yet another arm ... but on a different table.

Regards,

Andy

Hi Andy,

All turntables were Once Analog, same phono stage/amplifier/speakers/cables, the only difference was the tonearms, no point otherwise. The Kate Ceberano Lp is a must, it will be there on my forthcoming Melb. demo.

Best, Vince

[cheekyboy]

Hi Vince,

When is your Melbourne visit/demo happening?

Cheers,

Keith

[MrRogers]

Comments by Lance Fellows, A.C.T. Based Audiophile.
Lp: Kate Ceberano/Wendy Matthews "You've Always Got The Blues" (836 055-1) ABC Recording, side one, track one.

Basis Vector 4/Benz Lp Ebony

Nice full musical sound, not a thin dry sound. Very good separation of voice/instruments. Easy to listen to, expect a low level of fatigue with extended listening. Good clarity/ great sound.


SME V/Benz Lp Ebony

Little difference in sound to my ears. The comments made above for the Basis 4 apply to this setup. The bottom line is that both provide excellent/realistic sound that one could live with for a long time.


Syrinx PU3/Benz Lp Ebony

Similar sound as the Basis Vector 4 and SME V, except, that the soundstage is more detailed/refined and is quite a seductive sound. You get alot of detail that is HD in quality, very realistic, mind engaging.


Regards to all, Vince

Syrinx PU3/Benz Lp Ebony

Similar sound as the Basis Vector 4 and SME V, except, that the soundstage is more detailed/refined and is quite a seductive sound. You get alot of detail that is HD in quality, very realistic, mind engaging.

No surprises here. The Absolute Sound magazine's Harry Pearson told the world back in the 80's how good the PU3 was.

[MrRogers]

Not sure what this thread is meant to achieve,

Discussion about the subtle and not so subtle differences between 3 pick-up arms.

but in my experience the difference in tonearms is all about system synergy and where 'your head' is at the time ...sometimes it makes a difference and sometimes it does not.

Shouldn't have been the case, if done properly. Compare a stock standard RB250 to an SME V and see if there's no difference. Then more around the room and see if at any point in the room they sound the same.

As a point of reference I have had SME V & SME 12, Dynavector DV-505, Saec W317, Rega RB300 VdH rewired, Grace, Denon, Thorens, Lux and Project tonearms.

All good to very good pick-up arms.

A high quality MC cartridge makes more difference than any fancy tonearm, but thats just my humble opinion.

Steve.

Linn proved this not to be the case 30 years ago, nothing has changed since then. The better arm will always win. A high quality MC cartridge (usually expensive) on a low quality arm is a waste. A high quality arm with an inexpensive cartridge, an MM, will outclass it.

Well engineered and built arms are the best choice rather than fancy ones that lack engineering and build quality.

Here's another good article to consider: http://www.tnt-audio...rmdesign_e.html

[Once Analog]

Hi Vince,

When is your Melbourne visit/demo happening?

Cheers,

Keith

[Once Analog]

Hi Keith,

Having trouble with wireless broadband, the Melb. demo is going ahead, I will advise the date soon.

Vince

[Once Analog]

Discussion about the subtle and not so subtle differences between 3 pick-up arms.



Shouldn't have been the case, if done properly. Compare a stock standard RB250 to an SME V and see if there's no difference. Then more around the room and see if at any point in the room they sound the same.



All good to very good pick-up arms.



Linn proved this not to be the case 30 years ago, nothing has changed since then. The better arm will always win. A high quality MC cartridge (usually expensive) on a low quality arm is a waste. A high quality arm with an inexpensive cartridge, an MM, will outclass it.

Well engineered and built arms are the best choice rather than fancy ones that lack engineering and build quality.

Here's another good article to consider: http://www.tnt-audio...rmdesign_e.html

[Once Analog]

Discussion about the subtle and not so subtle differences between 3 pick-up arms.



Shouldn't have been the case, if done properly. Compare a stock standard RB250 to an SME V and see if there's no difference. Then more around the room and see if at any point in the room they sound the same.



All good to very good pick-up arms.



Linn proved this not to be the case 30 years ago, nothing has changed since then. The better arm will always win. A high quality MC cartridge (usually expensive) on a low quality arm is a waste. A high quality arm with an inexpensive cartridge, an MM, will outclass it.

Well engineered and built arms are the best choice rather than fancy ones that lack engineering and build quality.

Here's another good article to consider: http://www.tnt-audio...rmdesign_e.html

[Once Analog]

Discussion about the subtle and not so subtle differences between 3 pick-up arms.



Shouldn't have been the case, if done properly. Compare a stock standard RB250 to an SME V and see if there's no difference. Then more around the room and see if at any point in the room they sound the same.



All good to very good pick-up arms.



Linn proved this not to be the case 30 years ago, nothing has changed since then. The better arm will always win. A high quality MC cartridge (usually expensive) on a low quality arm is a waste. A high quality arm with an inexpensive cartridge, an MM, will outclass it.

Well engineered and built arms are the best choice rather than fancy ones that lack engineering and build quality.

Here's another good article to consider: http://www.tnt-audio...rmdesign_e.html

[Once Analog]

Mr Rodgers, I assume you are talking from experience, I myself remember the Linn beginning back in the early 70s. I also remember the introduction of the Ittok and the Syrinx PU2 shooting it down in flames in direct A/B comparison test.

Vince

[Marc]

Not sure what this thread is meant to achieve,

All it achieves is further, non-paid, continual advertising on StereoNET.
This is not fair to SNA's sponsors who pay for the right and in turn, allow SNA to continue.
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