121 replies to this topic

[JohnA]

This was brought to my attention after reading a for sale thread, rather then the update in the rule section.

the rule says

"You may post a single reply with the word "BUMP" on your advertisement to relist it at the top of the listing of For Sale items once per 7 Day period. If you bump your item more than once in 7 days, your post will be completely deleted and you will not be notified."

Going by the amount of bumps continuing, i dare say many others have not noticed this change to the rules either, and if the add is to be deleted if this rule is not obeyed, do all the mods also know about this change in rule, or are they giving some leeway.
If they are giving leeway, maybe a reminder post in the offending FS thread so more people become aware of it.

Also one other small thing about the rule...It states

You may post a single reply with the word "BUMP"


this then does not meet with the minimum 10 characters

[Monkeyboi]

I agree John. Sellers should make some effort to observe the rules. Trying to keep track of new listings is difficult when even old listings are constantly "bumped" to appear on the top of the list and looking like a new listing.

Cheers,
Alan R.

[proftournesol]

Good points JohnA, i'll bring your thread to the attention of the other mods. Thanks.

[rantan]

I must admit to being guilty as charged. I sold some items recently and at that time the rule stated that a bump was permitted every 24 hours. In point of fact I even publicly, but politely, pointed this out to another member who was "over bumping"

I will make sure from now on that I observe the rules.

Also, may I assume that making a positive comment in the name of providing more information about a seller's product, during the listing, is also now not permitted?

[cfcjb]

I too thought that bumping was permitted every 24 hours.
Didn't know that things had changed.

[John H. Darko]

Yeah, I saw this last night and mentioned it in my current FS thread.

[JohnA]

i am guilty of said sin also. I simply did not know about the rule

[LogicprObe]

A lot of people would not have noticed since they listed before the rule change.
I have gently reminded a few.

[wolster]

I too thought that bumping was permitted every 24 hours.
Didn't know that things had changed.

+ 1
Agree that the 7 day rule is fairer to new listings.

[rantan]

I agree as well. However, it will really disadvantage people who have items listed for sale now and may have done so for some time. They will fade out to page 15 or something and never be widely seen again. That said, I do understand why this rule had to be changed

+ 1
Agree that the 7 day rule is fairer to new listings.

[firefly0071]

It's a sad case that there are more sellers than buyers.

[cfcjb]

It's a sad case that there are more sellers than buyers.

Agreed. There seems to be a TON of new stuff for sale as of early March.

[houdinifangs]

It seems in the last month that there has been a lot of traffic and bumping and therefore missing of new posts...this was why I had suggested setting up categories as the FS thread has looked a bit messy of late...

[wolster]

I first saw this thread title as 'No humping for 7 days'.

Very glad that wasn't the case.

[rantan]

It would be interesting trying to enforce that:)

[Drizt]

I first saw this thread title as 'No humping for 7 days'.

Very glad that wasn't the case.

That would be a rule well worth breaking

[tisb0b]

It seems in the last month that there has been a lot of traffic and bumping and therefore missing of new posts...this was why I had suggested setting up categories as the FS thread has looked a bit messy of late...

I think some categories could be a good idea especially when combined with only needing to bump every 7 days. Granted it would take some grunt work from the mods to get it initially set up properly as far as moving threads and whatnot goes. The main disadvantage when this was suggested before was that people just enjoyed being able to browse everything at once. But I think with the way things currently are some more structure is definitely needed.

[88pro]

Does this 7 day rule imply that the seller must not BUMP within 7 day period.

But if someone else ask a question, is the seller allowed to answer the question within 7 day period? (which will result in post being bumped)?

[rantan]

88Pro. I am also very confused about that

That is what I was asking in my post, but there doesn't seem to be an answer from the rule makers.

As it stands I don't believe that the 7 day thing is a good idea, but I will definitely abide by the rules 100%

Edit: I notice that may new ads are from very new members and IMHO, there should be a threshold of posts achieved or a certain time as a member before which FS posts are not perrmitted. Something like 25 posts in various threads, or 2 months membership might work to reduce the clutter.

Edited by rantan, 14 March 2012 - 04:53 PM.

[JohnA]

i would take a guess and say the 7 day rule is purely to stop people bumping their own for sale thread within the 7 day period.
If someone asks a question you should be able to answer it without it been considered a bump

[88pro]

i would take a guess and say the 7 day rule is purely to stop people bumping their own for sale thread within the 7 day period.
If someone asks a question you should be able to answer it without it been considered a bump

I was under the same impression, but then I saw Darko apologising on one of his FS post for having a discussion around the item for sale. So may be everyone is interpreting this rule differently and bit more clarity around the rule might help.

[Decky]

7 days is way too long - 48 hours is much more realistic.

[88pro]

7 days is way too long - 48 hours is much more realistic.

I agree. I think 48 hours could be tried first, and if that doesn't fix the problem, then increasing the duration could be considered.

[rantan]

+100000...............

7 days is way too long - 48 hours is much more realistic.

[LogicprObe]

I was under the same impression, but then I saw Darko apologising on one of his FS post for having a discussion around the item for sale. So may be everyone is interpreting this rule differently and bit more clarity around the rule might help.

Bumps are for no discussion on the item.
You have to answer the questions.

edit - Darko's got moving pressure, so don't take any notice of what he says ATM.
(I hate moving......so I feel for him)

Edited by LogicprObe, 14 March 2012 - 05:39 PM.

[John H. Darko]

7 days is way too long - 48 hours is much more realistic.

I concur.

Bump.

[John H. Darko]

edit - Darko's got moving pressure, so don't take any notice of what he says ATM.
(I hate moving......so I feel for him)

Take no notice of me. Period.

Bump.

Bump.

[proftournesol]

The principle behind it is that all posts in each thread should be on topic. A specific question about my Avantgarde Solos (free plug), is OK but an off-topic discussion about the merits of horn compression drivers or 'A/B amps v Class D amps in active speakers' in a FS thread belongs elsewhere. FS threads should be short (unless it has been bumped for 2 years!!!) and on topic, there's nothing worse than trying to find out information about a particular item and having to wade through pages of off-topic posts. Of course white-anting is not acceptable.

Bumping has obvious advantages but also makes the mods job harder as we end up having to search down to Page 3 for new ads some weekend days when the FS forum is busy. I must say these days I just ignore ads that are not formatted properly, initially I PM'd the OP and asked them to correct it, but the novelty wears off quickly!

[cfcjb]

Tend to agree with the folk that think a week is too long. It is.
You should be able to bump after a couple of days.

[LogicprObe]

I reckon 7 days is OK.
How desperate are these sellers?
List it on ebay for one day then.

[warrengday]

No sex for a week!

[danter]

7 days is way too long. The last few ads I have posted went unnoticed for a while and so first appeared on page 2. Not too much attention given there. A bump - and a sale! Anyways, lets face it, if you want it bumped, have a question asked.

Can see the point where an item that clearly has little or no interest keeps getting bumped daily (can we ever forget the 'contemporary audio/visual cabinet' that must have set a record for consecutive bumps). Wading through the posts" - anyone would think we were digging a ditch with all that hard labour.

The current system is fine. Even the high offending posts eventually die. I think there are a few bigger issues about (LIKE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THE TITLE OF YOUR FOR SALE AD !!!)

[jel]

Yep, seen it all before over on OCAU.

This will not fix the 'problem'
People will just find creative ways of "bumping" the thread.

Their solution was to have the default listing order for the FS section done on the original post, not the latest post.

[Whatmore]

The principle behind it is that all posts in each thread should be on topic. A specific question about my Avantgarde Solos (free plug), is OK but an off-topic discussion about the merits of horn compression drivers or 'A/B amps v Class D amps in active speakers' in a FS thread belongs elsewhere. FS threads should be short (unless it has been bumped for 2 years!!!) and on topic, there's nothing worse than trying to find out information about a particular item and having to wade through pages of off-topic posts. Of course white-anting is not acceptable.

Bumping has obvious advantages but also makes the mods job harder as we end up having to search down to Page 3 for new ads some weekend days when the FS forum is busy. I must say these days I just ignore ads that are not formatted properly, initially I PM'd the OP and asked them to correct it, but the novelty wears off quickly!

Couldn't all new ads go into some separate mods-only section until you approve it?

[soundfan]

I'd hate to see members here take their wares to the likes of ebay, just because they cannot bump their item to the top occasionally. There has been some fantastic bargains listed here over the years, and I'm pretty happy that on a lot of occasions these items have been purchased by regular members, rather than the members who don't contribute here, and only buy or sell.
Lets not force sellers into taking their items elsewhere, because their listing is lost in the mix for up to 7 days.

I'm also a fan of 1 bump per 48 hr period. I think this would be a happy medium.

Chris

[Marc]

Guys .... let's keep this in perspective. I certainly appreciate the point of view being put across, but must say I'm a little dazzled by the fact that this caused a two page thread in less than 6 hours.

The bumping has gotten completely out of hand. I implemented this (which incidentally is the same policy many other forums have in place) to prevent new posts getting lost which we would all agree, has been the case.
It's not a big deal, and once the continual bumping slows down (of course we are giving some leniency on this for those that would not have seen it), you'll find it's not that bad I am sure.

Alternatively, what I made that particular forum display more topics per page. Would that assist?

[Marc]

I'd hate to see members here take their wares to the likes of ebay, just because they cannot bump their item to the top occasionally. There has been some fantastic bargains listed here over the years, and I'm pretty happy that on a lot of occasions these items have been purchased by regular members, rather than the members who don't contribute here, and only buy or sell.
Lets not force sellers into taking their items elsewhere, because their listing is lost in the mix for up to 7 days.
Chris

You really think that would happen? Wow.
Maybe we should start listing fees and percentage of sales too?
The donation system certainly doesn't work that's for sure (no disrespect intended towards the handful of guys that have made donations).

[tisb0b]

You really think that would happen? Wow.
Maybe we should start listing fees and percentage of sales too?
The donation system certainly doesn't work that's for sure (no disrespect intended towards the handful of guys that have made donations).

If you want people to donate simply create a donator group, charge $20 for one year with the only benefit being a different coloured username and the privilege of being in the donator group.

[Marc]

Thanks for the suggestion (and it has been looked at previously), but I don't think that is the answer. Not at this point in time anyway.

[Marc]

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, let's live with it for a period (7 days? ) then reconsider.

[LogicprObe]

I don't get why people can join up and then start trading.
In a lot of other forums there is either a time limit (say a month after joining) or a number of posts (100 is fairly common).

[Marc]

That definitely needs addressing LP.

[rantan]

Great minds eh?

See my post #19

[cfcjb]

Alternatively, what I made that particular forum display more topics per page. Would that assist?

That's a GREAT idea.
When I view SNA thru Tapatalk on my Iphone it lists the first 40 posts. That could be a guide.

[Marc]

I'll have a look into that now.

I could always order the topics by start date, rather than last post date in that forum. I'm sure that would solve the problem?