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[yardley]

hes on julias payroll so you think logicprobe?

[LogicprObe]

I can't see what there is for Tony to be positive about.

[rantan]

AFAIAC....... SP, your posts are fine and clearly expressed without playing the man. I hope you post a lot more and whenever you like

[MC240]

That's complicating things. But what and who do we really vote for anyway? Our local member (lib or lab etc), or the Leaders of the parties?

If KR was the leader of the party and Labour was voted in then wasn't HE the one that the party put up to try and 'win' the election. OR did ALL of us just look to our 'local' candidate and vote for him/her regardless of what party they represented????

Too many questions for a TOO complex system that has TOO many flaws.

Look what we have now! A few independants 'pulling the strings' of the whole country because we couldn't get a majority vote!

I call for a re-election!

The labor caucus chooses the leader not the voter, the caucus would not have flicked Rudd without a very good reason.Complicated or not that's the Westminster system operates.The Independents were democratically voted in by their electorate, and along with the Greens now hold the balance of power, and if the minority Labor government wants to get it's legislation through the upper and lower house then they have to do it with Indies and the Greens assistance.

The Liberals would never be able to win an election in their own right as long as their arsse points to the ground and they know it, that's why they join forces with the Nationals to form a coalition.

When the Libs/Nat are in power don't you think there are times when the Nats call the shots and hold everyone else to ransom its all done in back room deals and when the Nats don't get their way the coalition implodes.
The National Party and the National Framers Federation have got to be the most self serving bunch of voters in the country.

Edited by MC240, 21 February 2012 - 09:09 AM.

[MC240]

No problem Rantan, as you can see I'm not much of a political observer so I only offer what's on my mind at the time (without going into too much detail).

You may be right (be careful what you wish for), as most people are quite wary about Tony Abbott. I must say that I did like him but am so sick of his 'negativity'.

A lot of these threads seem to be political, which leaves me out somewhat as if I get involved I will just stir things up ( which isn't a good intention ) as the discussion seems to be quite amiacable at the moment.

Cheers.

SP I see where your coming from, and like you right or wrong I just call it as I see em.Keep posting

[Full Range]

I fully understand how the Westminster system works & I wasn't even born here
My kids however were born here and really don't care to much about politics

However I have noticed that they parrot or comment what's been on the news or social media but only when there attention is caught

FR

[surfpurple]

Thanks everyone, I might just sit on the sidelines for this one and observe (and hopefully learn a thing or two about this politics stuff).

I see where you are all coming from and that's what makes things so complicated because there are SO many variables. Everyone (in politics) is in it for a number of alterior reasons and it's hard to seperate the good from the bad. Even when someone 'looks' good or has a 'good' policy, there is always some 'agenda' lurking!

I find it quite amusing sitting back and watching the 'circus' of politics in the media these days.

Over to you guys!

[LogicprObe]

Watch out...........politics can be just as addictive as audio!

[surfpurple]

I can see that!

[shotokan]

Ha...hilarious stuff. Must admit I can relate to the personality type - I'm a bit like that trying to position speakers. At least you guys get the political stuff out in the open. Here we are stuck with John Key doing back room deals and putting it out there like, "here you are have some Asset sales, bye, sorry".

[Super Mustud]

He has decided to spend more time with his family.

[Stump]

He was first Stabbed in the back.Now he has had his Throat Cut.I hope his VISA Card is cancelled before he comes back.

[comfortablynumb]

He should resign from politics and force a by-election.

That would make Julia turn very pale I think......and TA would have a huge grin !!

[Full Range]

Not that this will happen any time soon but

I wonder if K Rudd has it in him to resign from Labor and contest the next election as an independent

FR

[comfortablynumb]

Not that this will happen any time soon but

I wonder if K Rudd has it in him to resign from Labor and contest the next election as an independent

FR

My thoughts exactly.

Or perhaps even simply cross the floor.

[rantan]

Sounds like fair treatment for a sociopath if you ask me.

He was first Stabbed in the back.Now he has had his Throat Cut.I hope his VISA Card is cancelled before he comes back.

[Super Mustud]

My thoughts exactly.

Or perhaps even simply cross the floor.

He should join Katter's new party.

[Full Range]

My thoughts exactly.

Or perhaps even simply cross the floor.

Now that will put the cat amongst the pigeons
But as a minister he will tow the party line
Plausible if he was on the back bench

FR

[comfortablynumb]

Now that will put the cat amongst the pigeons
But as a minister he will tow the party line
Plausible if he was on the back bench

FR

He resigned as minister remember....

[Full Range]

He resigned as minister remember....

Well thats news to me
I better see the latest news to catch up
Its all going very fast - Exiting nail biting stuff
We could be witnessing history

FR

[proftournesol]

KRudd or Gillard, it is like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.
Abbott is the iceberg:(

[Full Range]

Well thats news to me
I better see the latest news to catch up
Its all going very fast - Exiting nail biting stuff
We could be witnessing history

FR

Found the info it literally only just happend
Snip

KEVIN Rudd has resigned as Foreign Minister over attacks from what he called "faceless men" and a lack of support from Julia Gillard.

6.05pm Kevin Rudd's daughter Jessica has tweeted "Effing proud of you, Dad. xxxx in support of her father.6.00pm Mr Rudd's resignation set the stage for a challenge to the Prime Minister next week by presenting himself as the best choice to defeat Opposition Leader Tony Abbott at an election.

"The simple truth is that I cannot continue to serve as Foreign Minister if I do not have Prime Minister Gillard's support," said Mr Rudd.


In the pre-dawn of a Washington morning Mr Rudd told reporters he was resigning with a heavy heart and after much soul searching.He said he will fly home to determine "what my next step will be" - meaning he could leave Parliament causing a by-election in his Brisbane seat of Griffith, or stay on as a back bencher and possibly challenge Prime Minister Gillard.

"While I am sad to leave this office I am sadder still it has come to this," he told reporters.

Rest is here
http://www.news.com....9-1226278130375

FR

[rantan]

.............so that he can sit on the back bench and snipe all day, all the while claiming innocent victim status, which suits his monster ego and keeps him as the centre of attention.
As long as Krudd is in the parliament he will try in some way, to undermine Labor. It has never been about him serving the party, it has been about him using the party and the office of Prime Minister to satiate his ego and playing mind games with whomever he chooses.

He resigned as minister remember....

[Full Range]

KRudd or Gillard, it is like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.
Abbott is the iceberg:(

Excellent quote
A non thinking journo could use that one prof

[Super Mustud]

.............so that he can sit on the back bench and snipe all day, all the while claiming innocent victim status, which suits his monster ego and keeps him as the centre of attention.
As long as Krudd is in the parliament he will try in some way, to undermine Labor. It has never been about him serving the party, it has been about him using the party and the office of Prime Minister to satiate his ego and playing mind games with whomever he chooses.

I think that words along those lines will be his political epitaph.

[LogicprObe]

He has decided to spend more time with his family.

Bullcrap..................he's coming home to rally the numbers.

[Super Mustud]

Bullcrap..................he's coming home to rally the numbers.

Yes, my point exactly. I think the only numbers he can count on are those of his family

[Catostylus]

He has my full commitment and support.

With me behind him he can go anywhere.

[LogicprObe]

Yes, my point exactly. I think the only numbers he can count on are those of his family

If he can't get the numbers, he'll sit on the backbench and eat ear wax..........I mean........cause twubble!

[Super Mustud]

He has my full commitment and support.

With me behind him he can go anywhere.

Are you saying that you would piss on him if he was on fire?

[MC240]

As Richo says in times like this don't count on the those that say they support you. Count on the ones that say they don't.

[holdencaulfield2007]

I would love to see K Rudd as PM again. Just to see how some people on SNA who reckon he is a "sociopath" and a "maniac" would react. Apart from the fact that he is far more suitable than J Gillard for the top job in the land. My tuppence worth!

[mr-happy-pants]

Is it just me? Or do others consider that this whole debacle was maybe created by Gillard & Crean to make Kevin 07 look the bastard so he would lose credibility!?

I think the worst thing Kevin 07 did (strategically) was to give up without a fight when Julia knifed him.

Maybe he's coming back for round 2.
I reckon he is... Would be interesting.

My first question still stands (unless it's already been discussed & I missed it, probably)

BtW. Mr Rabbit must have laughed so hard a bit of wee came out.

Graham

[Full Range]

I just came across this word poll

The Herald Sun asked readers to describe Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd, in one word each, here on heraldsun.com.au over two days. More than 16,000 readers contributed their view. The responses were built into a 'word cloud' using Tagxedo.com. The bigger the word, the more often it was used.

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[Super Mustud]

I would love to see K Rudd as PM again. Just to see how some people on SNA who reckon he is a "sociopath" and a "maniac" would react.

We would react by saying "we told you so".

[DoggieHowser]

How does resigning as Minister become "It's ON! The Leadership Challenge" or at least that's how the news headlines are putting it.

Am I missing something here?

[LogicprObe]

How does resigning as Minister become "It's ON! The Leadership Challenge" or at least that's how the news headlines are putting it.

Am I missing something here?

Well........'Simon bullied me in the playground and Julia didn't stick up for me so I'm going home'................... just doesn't wash.

[patjoy]

Politics - bores me no end but I'm forced to take an interest because of its impact on oneself, family and the world. Full of snakes, narcissists, egos and synchophants. One wonders why you would get into it (yes I know, pay, super, priviliges and maybe, yes maybe, to make a difference?).

[MC240]

Well........'Simon bullied me in the playground and Julia didn't stick up for me so I'm going home'................... just doesn't wash.

I like it LP.

I'm a big boy now and if I can't run the sandpit teacher then I'm gunna mess everything up cause I can, so there.

[Whatmore]

I just came across this word poll



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FR

Interesting... I didn't realise that so many Herald Sun readers knew words like 'egotistical' and 'megalomaniac'

[LogicprObe]

I like it LP.

I'm a big boy now and if I can't run the sandpit teacher then I'm gunna mess everything up cause I can, so there.

That's it..............Peter Slipper will be pissed if it goes to an election and he can't be speaker anymore!
SM's idea of Katter's party is a good one!
Maybe all the Queenslanders would join!
Seems to be a lot of rabble rousers up there!

[rantan]

Well since you are not pulling any punches, I will say that if by some nightmarish miracle Krudd becomes PM once more, I will remind you when you get to the point where he makes you want to scream in abject frustration at hearing verbose platitudes every day, that you wanted him as PM................more fool you.
There is sufficient psychological material provided by Krudd to keep an army of psychiatrists occupied in permanent convention.

I would love to see K Rudd as PM again. Just to see how some people on SNA who reckon he is a "sociopath" and a "maniac" would react. Apart from the fact that he is far more suitable than J Gillard for the top job in the land. My tuppence worth!

[Aslan]

Rudd resigns as Foreign Minister
Rudd comes home and challenges for the top job
Rudd fails to get the numbers and Juliar wins the bloodbath
Rudd resignes from the Labour Party and becomes an Independent
Rudd Crosses the floor
Liberal/Rudd coalition forces a new election
Liberals win and Tony Abbott becomes Prime Minister
Move forward to 2013 and Tony Abbott is toppled by Julie Bishop for the Leadership
Australia finally gets the Prime Minister it needs (and she's a bit of alright too!)

[rantan]

....................oh dear. I should STFU I think:rolleyes:

[proftournesol]

Well since you are not pulling any punches, I will say that if by some nightmarish miracle Krudd becomes PM once more, I will remind you when you get to the point where he makes you want to scream in abject frustration at hearing verbose platitudes every day, that you wanted him as PM................more fool you.
There is sufficient psychological material provided by Krudd to keep an army of psychiatrists occupied in permanent convention.

The secret of being a happy psychiatrist with a long working life is knowing which patients not to take on!