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[comfortablynumb]

so if gillard is not leading the government who is?

Take your pick....

Bob Brown, the media, the opinion polls, the unions, the "faceless men". The list goes on.

Edited by comfortablynumb, 20 February 2012 - 04:54 PM.

[comfortablynumb]

looks like this is a labour forum

Far from it mate. You must be just cherry picking the posts.

Perhaps you are noticing that most contributers to this thread actually have a brain (think for themselves) and don't just swallow the tripe bandied about by certain sections of the popular media.

[MC240]

Far from it mate. You must be just cherry picking the posts.

Perhaps you are noticing that most contributers to this thread actually have a brain (think for themselves) and don't just swallow the tripe bandied about by certain sections of the popular media.

Give that man a cigar and double shot flat white

[yardley]

Far from it mate. You must be just cherry picking the posts.

Perhaps you are noticing that most contributers to this thread actually have a brain (think for themselves) and don't just swallow the tripe bandied about by certain sections of the popular media.

hey cobber... i dont worry about the popular media as you say.
you have your view and i have mine. we live in a country where everyone can have a say which is good...

i just cant stand julia...

[rantan]

I agree 100% but FFS don't make it a latte!

Give that man a cigar and double shot flat white

[Arg]

We can't win.

1. If Rudd rolls Gillard and becomes PM again..........we lose
2. If Gillard stays as PM..............we lose.
3.if the govt loses support and Tony wins.......we lose.

Lucky people eh?

"The people of this nation get the government they deserve" -- Solzhenitsyn

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

I guess one of the fundamental tenets of a free democracy is secrecy of votes. No-one, not even SP, can be obliged to reveal for whom they voted.

Indeed. And if he failed to vote Labor, he can't complain about Rudd losing his job.

In any event, surely non ALP voters are allowed to complain about the ridiculous theatre that is happening in Canberra

What is happening in Canberra that Liberal voters want to complain about?

Do they want to complain about the complete lack of policy by the Lieberals?
How about the inability to fund promises by the Lieberals?
Or the fact that Abbott is stark, raving mad?
Or the fact that Abbott's insane carbon tax, will send taxpayers to the wall, whilst doing absolutely nothing to address CO2 emissions?
That the Howard/Abbott regime spent billions of Dollars on stupid wars in the Middle East, that cost the lives of Australians?

Those are all legitemate cause for complaint.

What can they complain about from Labor?

That Australia survived the GFC in remarkably good shape, thanks, in part to Labor policies?
Or that Australia will have a long overdue carbon tax?

Precisely what can they complain about?

[Full Range]

Far from it mate. You must be just cherry picking the posts.

Perhaps you are noticing that most contributers to this thread actually have a brain (think for themselves) and don't just swallow the tripe bandied about by certain sections of the popular media.

Thats why they have media consultants, speech writers ect
We can forgive if one owns up to an indiscretion and then follows up with action
But we have long memories if what is said does not equate to actual results then they deserve everything they get

Kevin's big mistake was promising big climate change policies and them abandoning them when he could not deliver
Also well intentioned programs that went horribly wrong
Julia was also part of the decision making process
She has not learned from that experience as she is still making them - re set top boxes

I wish politicians of any party stop and think - this is not our money to spend - its the Australian peoples money - and use it wisely for the people
The tax department actually stores our collective money

FR

[yardley]

"The people of this nation get the government they deserve" -- Solzhenitsyn

the only asnswer is pauline hansen

[rantan]

We dserve better than 1. A control freak with OCD
2. A mashocist who has good intent, but couldn't sell a gold ingot for $1.
3.A maniac.

"The people of this nation get the government they deserve" -- Solzhenitsyn

[LogicprObe]

the only asnswer is pauline hansen

She couldn't do any worse.
In fact, I think she's do a whole lot better!

[rantan]

Nice joke guys, but how about getting serious for a while.

[yardley]

We dserve better than 1. A control freak with OCD
2. A mashocist who has good intent, but couldn't sell a gold ingot for $1.
3.A maniac.

its not OCD rantan its MCD THat some members here have especially the julia lovers

[comfortablynumb]

hey cobber... i dont worry about the popular media as you say.
you have your view and i have mine. we live in a country where everyone can have a say which is good...

i just cant stand julia...

I cannot stand the woman either Yardley.

I am quite aware, however, that apart from the leadership issues (which may or may not exist) the current Govt. has done reasonably well. Despite what TA and the media that supports him/them would have you think.

I, personally, did not vote Labor and if you read some of the posts in other political forums, many other contributors did/do not either. This is far from a "Labor forum" IMHO.

Edited by comfortablynumb, 20 February 2012 - 05:19 PM.

[yardley]

Nice joke guys, but how about getting serious for a while.

ok rantan if pauline hansen was our PM AND she was elected 4 years ago where would australia be at this moment? just a funny question ok

[comfortablynumb]

I agree 100% but FFS don't make it a latte!

Shhhh. Don't tell Mustud !!!

[rantan]

We would be the laughing stock of the world.

ok rantan if pauline hansen was our PM AND she was elected 4 years ago where would australia be at this moment? just a funny question ok

[rantan]

There are no "julia lovers " here mate, just a few old fashioned misogynists who get roused into action by Andrew Bolt

its not OCD rantan its MCD THat some members here have especially the julia lovers

[LogicprObe]

We would be the laughing stock of the world.

I don't think they'd laugh any harder than at GW Bush, Jimmy Carter and Billy McMahon.
(there are plenty more but I'll stop there)

[MC240]

Shhhh. Don't tell Mustud !!!

Mustard can read

[yardley]

Nice joke guys, but how about getting serious for a while.

i think julia gillard and co are a joke.... so when do we get serious

[rantan]

.......when you make an alternative suggestion that isn't based on what you read in the conservative media.
If you think Tony is the answer the you are part of the problem.

i think julia gillard and co are a joke.... so when do we get serious

[Super Mustud]

.......when you make an alternative suggestion that isn't based on what you read in the conservative media.
If you think Tony is the answer the you are part of the problem.

Did you do Chemistry, rantan?

Think catalyst. Its the other bits that count.

Well, one hopes...

[holdencaulfield2007]

Pauline Hanson get elected once before people realised what a whacko she is. She has lost an astounding number of subsequent attempts to return to Parliament since then. If you want Australia to become an International laughing stock then vote for her. We are actually well respected ATM because of the way we weathered the GFC unlike many other countries.

[Super Mustud]

We are actually well respected ATM because of the way we weathered the GFC unlike many other countries.

Its more like we are envied for having stuff in the ground to dig up rather than being respected.

[LogicprObe]

Pauline Hanson get elected once before people realised what a whacko she is. She has lost an astounding number of subsequent attempts to return to Parliament since then. If you want Australia to become an International laughing stock then vote for her. We are actually well respected ATM because of the way we weathered the GFC unlike many other countries.

That was mostly luck.

[holdencaulfield2007]

Its more like we are envied for having stuff in the ground to dig up rather than being respected.

Dubai has plenty of "stuff in the ground" and they were insolvent until they got a massive loan from neighbouring Abu Dhabi. It is more about being Pro Active in a crisis and the ALP under Rudd were! . Just a couple of posts backs someone referred to Rudd as a maniac. I would rather have Rudd as a PM who is comfortable with world leaders and has a grasp of international affairs than a likeable sports loving amateur!
In any case there will soon be a challenge and then Tony Abbott will hopefully have to get off his **** and actually have to announce some policies. Assuming he has any?

[yardley]

.......when you make an alternative suggestion that isn't based on what you read in the conservative media.
If you think Tony is the answer the you are part of the problem.

you must think that a person who is not labor that they are liberal voter... cmon keep up with the times

[LogicprObe]

Australia could well go the way of Nauru if we're not careful.

[yardley]

Dubai has plenty of "stuff in the ground" and they were insolvent until they got a massive loan from neighbouring Abu Dhabi. It is more about being Pro Active in a crisis and the ALP under Rudd were! . Just a couple of posts backs someone referred to Rudd as a maniac. I would rather have Rudd as a PM who is comfortable with world leaders and has a grasp of international affairs than a likeable sports loving amateur!
In any case there will soon be a challenge and then Tony Abbott will hopefully have to get off his **** and actually have to announce some policies. Assuming he has any?

dubai has not the amount of resources we have in the ground. we are just giving it to china by the shipload. just go to port hedland and you can see all the ships just taking our wealth away.

[holdencaulfield2007]

Australia could well go the way of Nauru if we're not careful.

How? Nauru had only one resource(bird poop) and once that was exhausted they became reliant on the goodwill of Australia. No comparison!

[Super Mustud]

Dubai has plenty of "stuff in the ground" and they were insolvent until they got a massive loan from neighbouring Abu Dhabi. It is more about being Pro Active in a crisis and the ALP under Rudd were! . Just a couple of posts backs someone referred to Rudd as a maniac. I would rather have Rudd as a PM who is comfortable with world leaders and has a grasp of international affairs than a likeable sports loving amateur!
In any case there will soon be a challenge and then Tony Abbott will hopefully have to get off his **** and actually have to announce some policies. Assuming he has any?

I was in Dubai last year for a week. Cannot compare the place with Aussie. Not a sensible yardstick for all sorts of reasons.

[holdencaulfield2007]

I was in Dubai last year for a week. Cannot compare the place with Aussie. Not a sensible yardstick for all sorts of reasons.

I deliberately used Dubai as an example when you mentioned "stuff in the ground". WE also have a lot of stuff in the ground but a country like Australia has a lot more going for it than Dubai and Nauru. We will always be able to weather economic down turns better than countries that purely rely on their natural resources.

[holdencaulfield2007]

dubai has not the amount of resources we have in the ground. we are just giving it to china by the shipload. just go to port hedland and you can see all the ships just taking our wealth away.

Actually they are paying for the privilege as far as I am aware. Would you rather leave it all in the ground when there is huge worldwide demand for it? Your home state would be on it's knees if that happened!

[LogicprObe]

How? Nauru had only one resource(bird poop) and once that was exhausted they became reliant on the goodwill of Australia. No comparison!

Similar..........we have more people and more holes in the ground.
Their failure to invest in the future for their people was a travesty that should be heeded.

[surfpurple]

Not so unless your in KR's electorate that is, the Labor party caucus voted him in and out, you/we voted for our local federal member.In my case it was Anthony Albanese.

That's complicating things. But what and who do we really vote for anyway? Our local member (lib or lab etc), or the Leaders of the parties?

If KR was the leader of the party and Labour was voted in then wasn't HE the one that the party put up to try and 'win' the election. OR did ALL of us just look to our 'local' candidate and vote for him/her regardless of what party they represented????

Too many questions for a TOO complex system that has TOO many flaws.

Look what we have now! A few independants 'pulling the strings' of the whole country because we couldn't get a majority vote!

I call for a re-election!

[yardley]

Actually they are paying for the privilege as far as I am aware. Would you rather leave it all in the ground when there is huge worldwide demand for it? Your home state would be on it's knees if that happened!

western australia would not be on its knees. never had and never will.

[rantan]

Mate.

Just a few things if I may and no offense .

We vote at every federal election for the party who we would prefer to be the government. Right now it is a choice of the lesser of two evils, but nevertheless, we make a choice by casting a vote for our local member who represents the party we like [ or dislike least ].
The party that has the most local members elected via this method then forms a government. In the case of the last election it was essentially a draw, but the previous one was a walkover for Labor [ quite rare in itself ].

When the most recent election was a "draw" in terms of seats won, the horse trading began and we can now see the results and the reality of minority government, which essentially sucks, especially when a minority government has to brown nose idiots like Oakshott and Wilkie. and cannot get a clear legislative program in place without pandering to 3 crazy farmers and a loopy ex spy.

If you say we need an election then you are saying you want a Liberal government led by Tony Abbott, who will then become PM, so if that is what you want then that's OK, but just be careful what you wish for.

You just might get it:)

That's complicating things. But what and who do we really vote for anyway? Our local member (lib or lab etc), or the Leaders of the parties?

If KR was the leader of the party and Labour was voted in then wasn't HE the one that the party put up to try and 'win' the election. OR did ALL of us just look to our 'local' candidate and vote for him/her regardless of what party they represented????

Too many questions for a TOO complex system that has TOO many flaws.

Look what we have now! A few independants 'pulling the strings' of the whole country because we couldn't get a majority vote!

I call for a re-election!

[LogicprObe]

Not to mention those whacky Greens!

[rantan]

Just the mention of S H-Y and "loopy" lee Rhiannon is enough to scare the crap out of anyone.

[yardley]

rantan as i can see you are a labor man. people who are not labor let them have there choice as liberal maybe they are not...
people have a choice in australia

[rantan]

Sorry Yardley. I am having difficulty working out what you posted but you assume wrongly if you think I am a "Labor Man".

I was once a Labor voter when the Labor party wasn't a centrist Liberal party. I have also said many times that people vote for whomever they wish, but that the choices we have are not actually very good at all......for either of the major parties.
Please don't judge me or ascribe things to me which I have never stated. I formulated some opinions of your own posts, but I was polite enough to let them pass without public comment.

[yardley]

thankyou for your polite reply rantan...
just was wondering how you have a 100% feedback score...

[LogicprObe]

thankyou for your polite reply rantan...
just was wondering how you have a 100% feedback score...

He pays well.

[surfpurple]

No problem Rantan, as you can see I'm not much of a political observer so I only offer what's on my mind at the time (without going into too much detail).

You may be right (be careful what you wish for), as most people are quite wary about Tony Abbott. I must say that I did like him but am so sick of his 'negativity'.

A lot of these threads seem to be political, which leaves me out somewhat as if I get involved I will just stir things up ( which isn't a good intention ) as the discussion seems to be quite amiacable at the moment.

Cheers.