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[houdinifangs]

What happened to decent coffee machines under $500? They all seem to be replaced by those "pod" contracptions. I've been looking for 6 months and most machines seem very flimsy compared to the ones on shevles 3-4 years ago.

I stumbled - actually my partner did - accross a machine at Gloria Jeans for $400. It seems more robust in construction than it's rivals - Saeco, Krups, Sunbeam, Breville etc. I'm a Gloria Jeans snob it does seem to fit the bill:
http://www.gloriajea...ssoMachine.aspx

Any other suggestions?

[Willco]

Hi, Maybe not quite what you want--but have you looked at Keurig?

Willco

[Orpheus]

The Italian owner of the cafe I go to regularly says that the Sunbeams are the best machines in the sub $500 bracket.

Looking robust is not the critical factor. Being reliable and making good coffee are, and the correlation is probably not particularly close.

[jezzaboogie]

As above, I recently was looking in the ~$500 category and the near-universal opinion was that the Sunbeams are the go for that kind of money. In the end I was too much of a snob about it and upped the ante a little bit to the ~$700 category so I could buy a Rancilio Silvia (an internet darling analogous to audio-gd DACs about these parts). It totally rocks my socks off!

Try looking on coffeesnobs.com.au for more informed/snobby opinions.

[Telecine]

I have a Sunbeam EM 6910. It is above your price point but makes great coffee, now. I was ready to bin it until it got an almost total rebuild (long story).

I went through more than two years of mediocre performance from new before the rebuild.

My wife and I would buy a Rancilio Silvia if we had to replace it. I haven't heard anyone complain about them. I would stretch to that if I were you. You won't notice the cost difference amortised over a few years compared to the enjoyment and reliability that you get from the purchase of a better machine.

Edited by Telecine, 05 December 2011 - 09:28 PM.

[Orpheus]

Yes, the Rancilio is a popular and competent machine.

[Luc]

I'm also in the market for a machine and I had a lady stay here who also bought her nespresso machine(I don't know how much they are) and intially I was keen to drink the expresso's but after a while I went back to my percolated and plunger coffee. I know a few guys here have and like the Nespresso but it didn't d too much for me.

But I was working at guys place today and asked if he could grab me a coffee at one of the local bakeries and he said he could but he could also make me one as well so I opted for his...I really liked it, I asked straight away for a second cup before going back to work it was really enjoyable and he was a sparkie as well! Most sparkies I know find it hard to get the right pliers out let alone make a good caf...

He said it was a Breville and he got it on special for $99...
I wish now I'd asked to see it in hindsight so I could tell you what model it was.

Seriously, it was a really enjoyable cup of caf made from La Vazza[?] beans he ground himself.

[inego]

OP - I take it you already have a good conical burr grinder? If not, and my budget was $500 all up, I'd be looking at around $200 for the grinder and the rest on the machine, unless I was really into milky coffees. If that was the case I'd save for longer.....

[Orpheus]

I'm also in the market for a machine and I had a lady stay here who also bought her nespresso machine(I don't know how much they are) and intially I was keen to drink the expresso's but after a while I went back to my percolated and plunger coffee. I know a few guys here have and like the Nespresso but it didn't d too much for me.

But I was working at guys place today and asked if he could grab me a coffee at one of the local bakeries and he said he could but he could also make me one as well so I opted for his...I really liked it, I asked straight away for a second cup before going back to work it was really enjoyable and he was a sparkie as well! Most sparkies I know find it hard to get the right pliers out let alone make a good caf...

He said it was a Breville and he got it on special for $99...
I wish now I'd asked to see it in hindsight so I could tell you what model it was.

Seriously, it was a really enjoyable cup of caf made from La Vazza[?] beans he ground himself.

If he could make good coffee with Lavazza beans, then 1.) he is an excellent maker of coffee, and 2.) the machine he had must do a good job.

Nothing wrong with Lavazza, but in my experience, the beans are not fresh enough by the time they hit the shops, and using locally roasted beans is the only way to make a decent cup of coffee.

[Orpheus]

OP - I take it you already have a good conical burr grinder? If not, and my budget was $500 all up, I'd be looking at around $200 for the grinder and the rest on the machine, unless I was really into milky coffees. If that was the case I'd save for longer.....

Yes, the grinder is important, because you need an even grind.

[houdinifangs]

OP - I take it you already have a good conical burr grinder? If not, and my budget was $500 all up, I'd be looking at around $200 for the grinder and the rest on the machine, unless I was really into milky coffees. If that was the case I'd save for longer.....

On the wish list. I expect to spend a bit on a grinder next year that I want to keep for ever...The machine I buy is only intended as a an interim machine until I can afford something really nice...

[GregWormald]

How many coffees do you make--a day, at once?
If speed is NOT a requirement then a complete manual system can be had for well under $500. Look at a Presso, and a small ceramic burr grinder (Hario or similar.)

Greg

[houdinifangs]

How many coffees do you make--a day, at once?
If speed is NOT a requirement then a complete manual system can be had for well under $500. Look at a Presso, and a small ceramic burr grinder (Hario or similar.)

Greg

It's like this:


Not quite, I don't add milk!
Looking up Presso now...

[houdinifangs]

Yeah, the Presso looks pretty interesting http://shop.presso.com.au/. Low WAF though "and what if I want a coffee and your not home?". A few coffee snobs seem to like it too http://coffeesnobs.c...?num=1184997454

[Full Range]

What happened to decent coffee machines under $500? They all seem to be replaced by those "pod" contracptions. I've been looking for 6 months and most machines seem very flimsy compared to the ones on shevles 3-4 years ago.

I stumbled - actually my partner did - accross a machine at Gloria Jeans for $400. It seems more robust in construction than it's rivals - Saeco, Krups, Sunbeam, Breville etc. I'm a Gloria Jeans snob it does seem to fit the bill:
http://www.gloriajea...ssoMachine.aspx

Any other suggestions?

At exactly $399.00 this hand operated, indestructible machine that's built in Australia is the best option
http://www.portaspresso.com/

But you will need to spend extra on a grinder witch they also make

Don't waste your money on something that will be binned sooner than later
The beauty of my suggestion is when you eventually want to get a more traditional machine this machine wont go to waste as its perfect partner at work, camping or holiday duties

FR

Edited by Full Range, 06 December 2011 - 09:23 PM.

[Orpheus]

Looks like hard work to me!

[Full Range]

Looks like hard work to me!

Anything worth doing well is gladly done for the results gained
Plus look at the free exercise one gets

FR

[Luc]

@FR Your link wont open for me but I went to Presso Aus and they had this>>>http://shop.presso.c...-coffee-special which doesn't seem a bad deal.
I couldn't find the $399.00 deal you mention.
It's an American machine isn't it not Australian?

[Orpheus]

Is that what you use, FR?

I have doubts about the capacity of that device to create enough pressure.

[Full Range]

@FR Your link wont open for me but I went to Presso Aus and they had this>>>http://shop.presso.c...-coffee-special which doesn't seem a bad deal.
I couldn't find the $399.00 deal you mention.
It's an American machine isn't it not Australian?

No its definitely Australian
Try the sales section link
http://www.portaspre...m/page1002.html

Is that what you use, FR?

I have doubts about the capacity of that device to create enough pressure.

I don't own one but have given it a trial with good results (my home machine is a single group commercial)
Here is a video for you to see & make up your own mind



And a nakid pour


FR

Edited by Full Range, 07 December 2011 - 11:25 PM.

[Luc]

I'm going to grab one of these I 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give it a whirl.

That's if they ever get back to me with an email. A lot of people seem to get very passionate about them.

[Orpheus]

Don't do it, Luc, if you want decent coffee. You will get bitter, burnt beans this way.

If you want a manual type of machine, it sounds, from what FR says, as though the presso is better.

[DoggieHowser]

Got this mailer from Amazon UK

http://www.amazon.co...9181_pe_epc_dt2

60 quid

http://www.amazon.co...9181_pe_epc_dt3

84 quid

Is it what you were looking for?

Both from DeLonghi.

Not single serve designs. But doesn't have grinder.

Edited by DoggieHowser, 08 December 2011 - 02:06 PM.

[Juicester]

2nd vote for the sunbeam in that price range. get the $600ish one which has dual boilers...

[Orpheus]

2nd vote for the sunbeam in that price range. get the $600ish one which has dual boilers...

Exceptional value for a dual boiler machine. The owner of the cafe I go to says they are designed in Italy. FWIW.

[Luc]

<object width="640" height="360"><param name="movie" value="https://www.youtube.com/v/GgPhg9SwkGU&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed src="https://www.youtube.com/v/GgPhg9SwkGU&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="360"></embed></object>Orph, it's worth the money just for the style, beautiful, very much so. Lots and lots of testimonials about this and yes there are mentions of how hot it does get on the stove and if your not careful you'll burn the beans...but many many people talk about the ritual involved as well as rating the coffee quite highly.
But having said that I'll not rush in just yet.

Edit: Just had a look at the Sunbeam EM6910 @$594 online. Why is it good?

Edit #2. once the video of the atomic is finished there are some vids of the Presso machine and some others as well as several on the Atomic...I'm falling for it I have to admit.

Edited by Luc, 08 December 2011 - 05:50 PM.

[:) al]

I had one of the breville professionals



that picked up on promotion with an included conical grinder. Had that a couple of years or so. and was a good unit that got me into coffee

It made a nice coffee and easy to use, in ways its a very good design.

It finally packed up, still managed to sell it on ebay along with the grinder as non working and recouped a good part what paid for it !

theyre a bargain I reckon. the rancilio silvia I bought after is far and away a better coffee making machine. but takes a bit more to use and needed a good quality conical grinder to get coffee out of it ! so yeah think need to spend about twice or more what the breville combination is worth to improve on them I think

[houdinifangs]

So has anyone taken a glance at the Gloria Jeans machine - I can't find any reviews. The user manual online is quite good - much better than my old Gaggia Classic (RIP)
http://www.gloriajea...ssoMachine.aspx

[Full Range]

So has anyone taken a glance at the Gloria Jeans machine - I can't find any reviews. The user manual online is quite good - much better than my old Gaggia Classic (RIP)
http://www.gloriajea...ssoMachine.aspx

If you want reviews Mr Houdinifangs
You need to look at FrancisFrancis

As I believe its the same machine re-badged


FR

[houdinifangs]

If you want reviews Mr Houdinifangs
You need to look at FrancisFrancis

As I believe its the same machine re-badged


FR

I see what you mean. Either a re-rebade or a rip-off. The FrancisFrancis X1 gets mixed reviews but the Gloria Jeans one is at least half the price. Wish I could look inside! Maybe I should be the Guinea Pig - That Gloria Jeans logo will rub off.

[mr-happy-pants]

G'day Al

We currently have that same machine

It makes a good coffee, but if I had my time again I would have bought the comparable Sunbeam, or just saved up a bit more and bought something a bit more commercial oriented with a real boiler etc

I find the concal grinder that came with the breville very good. How did you find your grinder?

[A J]

I vote for the Sunbeam 6910 as well, we just sold ours on ebay for about $200 as we upgraded to a new dual boiler. They are easy to use, make great coffee and the matching conical burr grinder they are often paired with for sale is awesome. I think that you can still get the machine+grinder in department store sales for about $599 all-in. You cant go wrong - the next step up is about $1000 more IMHO

[:) al]

G'day Al

We currently have that same machine

It makes a good coffee, but if I had my time again I would have bought the comparable Sunbeam, or just saved up a bit more and bought something a bit more commercial oriented with a real boiler etc

I find the conical grinder that came with the breville very good. How did you find your grinder?

hey graham, it is a very nice machine really. I was very disappointed when mine packed in. I have used the sunbeam version and really theres not much in it. the thing with these is really have to spend about twice as much to get better. so for bang for buck very hard to beat. re the grinder curiously its perfect for the breville. but when I upgraded my machine to the silvia the breville grinder was really not fine enough. I suddenly learnt how the important quality of the grinder is. the breville grinder was unusable with the new machine and I ended up having to buy the rocky grinder to go with the silvia. To be honest I am still shocked just how important the grinder and to answer your question the breville grinder is perfect for matching machine but wont cut it for a more commerical style machine. again a pity as really liked the nature of the breville grinder, both design and way it operated.

[CP_]

I'm saving for a Rancilio, but in the meantime we bought a Saeco Via Venezia. Hasn't skipped a beat and I use it twice daily. I use a hand grinder as well, that way I can say I do a bit of exercise in the mornings

[handysteel]

Gaggia Classic is great value for money, and makes a very good cup and around the right price point.

[murrmax]

for $200 get a Breville cafe Roma, most of the machines have 15bar pressure, there's not much difference in the lower end machines all use aluminium thermoblocks. You need to step up to the next level around 1k to get machines with copper boilers, which are superior as they can keep a constant steam temp whilst making the coffee and usually can make more coffees in succession.

What's more important & mandatory for good coffee is getting a decent grinder and fresh beans..i'd suggest 200 for the coffee machine and $300 for the grinder

[mr-happy-pants]

Thanks Al

I'll keep that in mind, for I when I step up.

PS. Our breville packed it in, but I repaired it myself. $75 in parts.

[NGM]

Santa bought me a Sunbeam 6910 with matching alloy conical grinder and 'bang bang' for a little over $600.
I don't profess to be a coffee expert, but I enjoy a quality coffee like most I suppose.
With a little bit of practice and patients I am now making some pretty decent espressos & lattes, as good as most coffee shops around that I frequent and not far behind the better ones I've had.

Built like a tank and the conical grinder is a gem, even the bang bang is very useful, all in all, it gets a very positive vote from me.





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Edited by NGM, 27 December 2011 - 09:39 PM.

[A J]

Nice - the key variable now aside from your expert efforts - are the beans. You will have a lot of good times and good coffees with that setup.

[waricle]

I have the Sunbeam and it allows a consistent cup when the variables are taken into account. (humidity, bean freshness, group head packing and quantity)
One of the boilers (Steam)has died but the group head boiler works. It is kept as a spare these days.
I also use the sunbeam grinder. I think both are good value.
The La Pavoni I now use took a year or two to master to get anywhere near a consistent cup of coffee.

[Monkeyboi]

I have been really happy with this combination. Rancilio Ms Silvia and the Gaggia MDF grinder.

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Cheers,
Alan R.

[Hensa]

Not sure how good this machine is but price looks prett decent....

http://www.catchofth...tm_campaign=sos