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[Chewbacker]

Common Guys whos bought the new set and watched the 3 originals with improved pics & sound ?

Are they worth the money......

Please help I cant wait

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Chewie

[ehtcom]

Common Guys whos bought the new set and watched the 3 originals with improved pics & sound ?

Are they worth the money......

Please help I cant wait

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Chewie

Also interested.

[houdinifangs]

I'm waiting for a hungry Wookie to take the bait first.

[Drizt]

Can't wait to get my hands on a set. I'll wonder on in to JB tomorrow see what price they are charging.

[Chewbacker]

Can't wait to get my hands on a set. I'll wonder on in to JB tomorrow see what price they are charging

Checked on the net today. Both below are the same box set

JB $109

Amazon $79 (but theres a wait for delivery)

[DoggieHowser]

I guess Greedo still shoots first in this one? I'm not sure I'm gonna like it when Vader moans (ad-libbed) Noo Noooo Nooooo at the end of RotJ o but I guess if we see him as a whinnying kid Jake, it kinda makes sense.

[Milo]

SWs on Blu ray sound and pic should be good, but some of the changes Lucas has made are minor. For example, the Ewoks eyes now move and blink. See if you agree with some of the more subtle changes. Do some of them really makes sense?
Some of the changes are listed and shown in the clips here:

http://www.heraldsun...2-1226132235553

[Traveller]

I don't know if the pic quality will be that great.. Ep 1 has been DNR quite a bit and everyone looks like wax. The colour timing and crushed blacks are still poor on the original trilogy aswell. Mainly because all they did was tweak the 1080p masters they did back in 04 for the dvds apparently. :S Lucus sucks..

[valvelover]

Yes, Greedo still shoots first. These blu rays are based on the 2004 HD masters of the 97 special editions, with some colour corrections done, and some new scenes, and some changes to existing scenes. I got mine from Kmart this morning at 8.40am - first to get one @ Toowong village - they had to go out the back to the warehouse to crack a box open for me. Bonus - Big w has them on special for $98, Kmart wanted $121, I cheekily asked for them to price match and they did without any argument

ep 1 is crap by all accounts - it was shot on 35mm stock film, and not 70mm like the originals and digital like eps 2 and 3. It's been over DNR'd and looks like shyte house. ep 2 is better, but not perfect. ep3 is the best PQ wise of the new trilogy. All of the original trilogy look brilliant by all accounts, other than some colour issues that a few whiners are whinging about. Big deal - if it lasts a 1/10 of a second I don't give a crap about colour accuracy blah blah blah. Blacks aren't the best, by crikey guys - these are 34 year old movies (star wars), 31 year old movies (empire) and 28 year old (return). What did you expect?

That said - by all accounts, the digital remastering on the old trilogy isn't as good as it could, or should have been. For those expecting a superb job like with Blade Runner or An American Werewolf in London, forget it. Those 2 blu rays are STUNNING.

Anyways, I'm off to have a quick dinner, then watch Star Wars ep 1 a new hope on Blu ray (barring any issues with my blu ray player not wanting to play it of course, and if so, I'll duly report back).

May the force be with you!

Dave

[JohnA]

think i'll be saving my money

[Marine]

Anyways, I'm off to have a quick dinner, then watch Star Wars ep 1 a new hope on Blu ray (barring any issues with my blu ray player not wanting to play it of course, and if so, I'll duly report back).

May the force be with you!

Dave

I'm sure you mean ep IV a new hope

I was expecting these to be really disappointing, but this review makes me think they are actually worth purchasing again.

I watched ep 1 phantom menace on my Oppo 95 and was shocked at how bad the DVD still looked, so it doesn't suprise me that the blu-ray hasn't fixed all the issues with that. As long as the pod race sounds good I'll be happy.

It seems a reasonable job was done on the original trilogy, and the sound is really good.

Edited by Marine, 14 September 2011 - 09:33 PM.

[Traveller]

Pretty sure the OT wasn't shot on 70mm.. there were some prints that were shown in 70mm but weren't actually shot that way. I could be wrong, but I am fairly sure.

Colour timing is an important issue with the originals and crushed blacks are not good. By using the 04 masters any tinkering they did for these blu rays won't bring back that detail.

For a company that prides itself on quality visual's and effects, these mistakes alone are terrible and should not be present. Not to mention all the other stuff that they can't be bothered fixing such as various matte lines and lightsabers. Lazy.

[caddisgeek]

Hmmmm, love the origional 3 movies, but for ep's 1 to 3, doesn't matter how good the colour is, you can't polish a turd

[Drizt]

think i'll be saving my money

Considering you have sold all of your HT gear, its probably a wise move

[JohnA]

Considering you have sold all of your HT gear, its probably a wise move

still have a blu ray player and a nice plasma and can still enjoy a movie.
Wasnt going to get it even if i kept all my equipment

[Drizt]

Your loss

still have a blu ray player and a nice plasma and can still enjoy a movie.
Wasnt going to get it even if i kept all my equipment

[markm1111]

Think I'll wait for the price to fall on Amazon UK

[valvelover]

I'm sure you mean ep IV a new hope

I was expecting these to be really disappointing, but this review makes me think they are actually worth purchasing again.

I watched ep 1 phantom menace on my Oppo 95 and was shocked at how bad the DVD still looked, so it doesn't suprise me that the blu-ray hasn't fixed all the issues with that. As long as the pod race sounds good I'll be happy.

It seems a reasonable job was done on the original trilogy, and the sound is really good.

Ooops, yep ep IV. Typo on my part! My recollection of ep 1 on dvd was that it wasn't that bad IQ wise, not superb, but dvd PQ is rarely superb imho.

Pretty sure the OT wasn't shot on 70mm.. there were some prints that were shown in 70mm but weren't actually shot that way. I could be wrong, but I am fairly sure.

Colour timing is an important issue with the originals and crushed blacks are not good. By using the 04 masters any tinkering they did for these blu rays won't bring back that detail.

For a company that prides itself on quality visual's and effects, these mistakes alone are terrible and should not be present. Not to mention all the other stuff that they can't be bothered fixing such as various matte lines and lightsabers. Lazy.

You could be right, I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that the original 3 were shot on 70mm negs. I'd have to dig out some of my collectible Star Wars books to confirm, or dig around on the net. Perhaps I'm wrong though. From my experience, very few blu rays do a great job of black points. That's typically cos the original movies sucked at detail in black areas. You can't blame the technology if the original film sucked @ black points. More in PQ/IQ later.

Hmmmm, love the origional 3 movies, but for ep's 1 to 3, doesn't matter how good the colour is, you can't polish a turd

I find it amusing that so many people bash the new trilogy. They weren't that bad. Yes, some of the actor was not good. Yes, the scripts could have been better and some of the dialogue is atrocious. Let's remember that Lucas is not a great director or writer, he's a man who knows how to make his vision come alive. Ewan was great as Obi wan imho, Hayden wasn't that bad, certainly not as bad as people make him out to be. Natalie was disappointing imho, and the rest of the supporting cast weren't really allowed to be developed. I note that most adults hated Jar Jar (I loved him to be honest), but most kids LOVED him. My suspicion is that like with the original trilogy, Lucas had elements in the movies for kids, the problem is that those kids of the 70s/80s have grown up now and aren't kids any longer. They're people in their 30s/40s who only seem to remember their vision of the movie from when they were kids, but don't want to be kids and hence criticise any new kid elements in the new trilogy. Pretty sad really.

still have a blu ray player and a nice plasma and can still enjoy a movie.
Wasnt going to get it even if i kept all my equipment

John, you don't know what you're missing. If you're waiting for the UOT (unedited original trilogy), you won't get it (imho). I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Think I'll wait for the price to fall on Amazon UK

This made me laugh. I picked up the box set for AU $98. Yes, $98. How is that *expensive* pray do tell? Six movies. An extra 3 discs on top of that. That's like, what, $11 a disk? Even allowing for the cost to be split between the six movies, it's like $16 a movie. For a premium blu ray, that's CHEAP.

Now, after having watched 45 min of ANH - wow is all I can say. A few visual oddities were noticed, noise is reasonable, image sharpness is very good for the most part, and great in some parts. This is the best version of the movie released by far. I could not go back to my DVDs or VHS tapes. Black points are quite reasonable. Oh, and I find it amusing again, how many "reviewers" are complaining about black points etc, but aren't running calibrated monitors. If it's not calibrated, you can't comment jack **** about colour accuracy. colours look fine on my calibrated Samsung 245T monitor (a well respected monitor for colour palette and accuracy when calibrated I might add, using a s-pva panel, not cheap crappy tn panel). All I'm hearing is people bitching about the blu ray release but those same people bitching about it haven't (for the most part) seen the damn things in person.

If you're a star wars fan, and have a blu ray system, you can't go wrong imho. Stop being over analytical adults and let the inner kid come out and just chill and enjoy the movies that you loved as a kid. I saw Star wars in 77 as a bright eyed 8 year old. I have over 10k worth of star wars collectibles. I love the movies, warts and all.

Dave

[Chewbacker]

Valvelover

Is the DTS 6.1 much better than the original ?

[valvelover]

Valvelover

Is the DTS 6.1 much better than the original ?

I can't say, I don't run a HT setup. I either watch my blu rays on my 24" PC monitor in my bedroom, or occasionally watch them upstairs on the Panasonic 55" plasma with just inbuilt speakers.

Dave

[KenTripp]

Think I'll wait for the price to fall on Amazon UK

I pre-ordered the limited edition (?) film cell edition from them for aud$87 and free postage, shipped on Monday. I doubt they'll have stock of this if/when the price drops.

[JohnA]

Your loss

yep gonna find it hard to sleep at night knowing i dont own this

[DoggieHowser]

As much as I told myself I would hate this, I still end up all excited like a kid on Christmas when the opening menus booted up.

WOW... even TPM with its bad transfer looked amazing!!!

[valvelover]

As much as I told myself I would hate this, I still end up all excited like a kid on Christmas when the opening menus booted up.

WOW... even TPM with its bad transfer looked amazing!!!

tis a great feeling, isn't it? I remember the special eds in '97 - we got tickets to the sydney star wars fan club for the teaser 9pm session (didn't officially open until midnight). We were @ the front of the line ;-) when that opening image started on the screen, the roar was deafening.

Dave

[ronascension]

I own the DVD boxset, and looking forward to the Bluray set for the 1080p and 6.1 sound.

For me it is a mixture of memories and excitement of a 10y.o (first time I saw Star Wars IV on the big screen) and the best quality I can own currently to play and enjoy on my HT at home.

Enjoy the memories,
Ron-Wars X

[DoggieHowser]

Can't wait to play it in my 11.2 system!!

[Juicester]

picking it up on the weekend. will report back on SQ.

[ENIGMA]

I'm tempted to pick up a set but how many copies of the same movies do i need.......

I too have calibrated my PJ and plasma with a colourmeter, these should look terrific and i know that once i watch these BR i won't go back to the DVD copies.

As far as Star Wars goes, i too enjoy the memories of when each movie came out, particularly the very first tv add is saw of Star Wars itself and the daggy jumper i wore when i saw empire strikes back.

[Batty]

I still have not watched the star wars double trilogy.

[bebop]

I was unsure if I was to get these (have already the DVDs), but relented and ordered from Amazon UK. Can't wait now. There's something magical about these movies that makes me want to watch it time and time again.

[Mr_Gimlet]

I succumbed and mine is on the way from Amazon UK. I'm mainly looking forward to the improved sound track.

[DoggieHowser]

Oh if only this were true

_BMgegut3UM

[ronascension]

Will the Star Wars Blurays from Amazon play on an Australian, Region B Bluray player?

[KenTripp]

Will the Star Wars Blurays from Amazon play on an Australian, Region B Bluray player?

The ones from Amazon UK will.

[valvelover]

Will the Star Wars Blurays from Amazon play on an Australian, Region B Bluray player?

from Amazon US no - they're region A blu rays (north america/south america only). Amazon UK as Ken said, should work, since UK is region b like Australia. Another reason why hddvd was a far better format.

don't expect blu ray to have a long lifespan - it'll probably be a dead format in the next 5 years imho. When the titles stop coming (in favour of hi res download rental from the Internet), then the players will stop coming. Those like me that have a lot of blu ray titles will be screwed :/ a bit like beta video recorders imho.

Dave

[DoggieHowser]

The way we still charge for internet here? I doubt BR days are over.

My 200GB Telstra plan would err barely cover 4 50GB BRs

[Drizt]

Time will tell

If you rip your blurays to your hdd you can remove the region coding etc. You can then stream them to your playback device (like a popcorn hour c200) no matter what region it came from Loving my bluray collection on my computer Downloading full bluray rips from the net would require the NBN to be fully up and running (fast speeds, larger caps, lower costs).

[DoggieHowser]

I heard the Oppo 93/95 now supports streaming from HDD!!??

Even 3D ISO is do-able.

[jdh500]

Wish it would support streaming ISO's from a home Network rather than only an attacehd HDD.

JDH

I heard the Oppo 93/95 now supports streaming from HDD!!??

Even 3D ISO is do-able.

[DoggieHowser]

I think it uses uPNP for network so that limits the file support.

[valvelover]

It will happen guys - there's more money for the movie industry to make from rental downloads than physical media. Just like music downloading (example, iTunes) is becoming more and more popular. The physic disc is on the decline. Most people are happy to pay like $5 to rent a digital download movie for the night, than $40 for a movie that they'll probably only ever watch once, maybe twice. And yes, the NBN will make it easier. Don't blame me, I'm a old fogey, I like my discs. It's the younger generation that couldn't care less for discs.

Dave

[valvelover]

Time will tell

If you rip your blurays to your hdd you can remove the region coding etc. You can then stream them to your playback device (like a popcorn hour c200) no matter what region it came from Loving my bluray collection on my computer Downloading full bluray rips from the net would require the NBN to be fully up and running (fast speeds, larger caps, lower costs).

Yeah, you can, but you are breaking the law by doing so. There is no fair clause usage in Australia for that sort of thing - you are bypassing the encryption, and thus breaking the DMCA, which Australia recognises as part of the Fair Trade Agreement with the US. Now one can argue that it's not legislated in Australia, so is not a recognised law, and I'd agree with that argument, but given how corrupt our government is, they'd simply legislate it and backdate it to the date the FTA was signed. If you think your computer operating system isn't secretly phoning home usage data, you're kidding yourself. It's only a matter of time before that's leveraged by governments, either legally and open, or legally and hidden from the public (in the interests of public safety of course). Yes, the only way we can catch "terrorists" is to spy on everyone's computers and Internet connections. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but that time is at hand.

Dave

[Traveller]

It will happen guys - there's more money for the movie industry to make from rental downloads than physical media. Just like music downloading (example, iTunes) is becoming more and more popular. The physic disc is on the decline. Most people are happy to pay like $5 to rent a digital download movie for the night, than $40 for a movie that they'll probably only ever watch once, maybe twice. And yes, the NBN will make it easier. Don't blame me, I'm a old fogey, I like my discs. It's the younger generation that couldn't care less for discs.

Dave

Im only 24 and dread the day that there is only digital files to download. At the moment the quality of streaming/downloads is horrible, and likely wont be comparable to blu-ray for a very long time. I also prefer to have a physical copy that I can play and move however I want. Yes its easy to do that with files, but there is less hassle using disks than making sure you are backing everything up.

[valvelover]

Im only 24 and dread the day that there is only digital files to download. At the moment the quality of streaming/downloads is horrible, and likely wont be comparable to blu-ray for a very long time. I also prefer to have a physical copy that I can play and move however I want. Yes its easy to do that with files, but there is less hassle using disks than making sure you are backing everything up.

OH, I totally agree with you! I'm not batting for the digital downloads team by any means, but I do believe that the music and movie industries will push it this way. Music is starting to go this way now, and once it becomes the norm with music, it'll quickly spread to movies I fear. And once it's all downloads, you can bet your bottom dollar that the manufacturers will cease supporting hardware based disc systems

Dave

[Traveller]

Yep... Sadly :S.. If they were offering downloads that are equal to the best digital physical sources we have right now, it wouldnt be too bad.. But then the storage for such things would have to be massive..

I also don't think we need anything over 1080p bluray for the home, I don't get the people who are craving 4K home theater already :S