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[Grimmie]

Well most unfortunately I can't be at the game, my mate wimped out on me and I've not been able to arrange it. Nevertheless I'll be willing the boys on from the Inglewood club (if we can get in there) and despite being underdogs will hope the Glory can pull off a huge upset to win.

With a two-loss record & 7 - 0 goal deficit this season there's not a lot of a chance, but come the day...............?

[alittlewino]

very dour and dull first half - Roar not so bubbly and dam tight Glory defence.

2nd half own goal (but balls that cross the 6 yard box are dying for something to happen!) - nice stolen header by Berisha with 7 to go to equalise and the dubious penalty.

as Glory were down to 10 men, and even with 11 couldn't really create opportunities, Roar should have won in the end, but feel for Glory fans as not the way to lose.

ALW

[proftournesol]

Controversial final! Sympathies Grimmie. Perth played well in all areas except the front third where they offered very little although Schmeltz is excused after that elbow. It shows how Perth really rely on 1 player to score. Burns and Miller really created problems for roar all night that they were unable to solve, how on earth did Broich win the Marston medal and not Burns or Miller? Heffernen is an idiot, I'm glad Heart got rid of him last year, he had poor discipline then and it hasn't changed.

The pen was controversial but I think the right decision was made, Miller can't expect to tackle from behind inside the box, not even get close to the ball and expect the benefit of any doubt, shame for hi as he'd had a good game until then.Berisha's celebration of the pen was disgraceful though, very poor sportsmanship.

I expect Ange will move to MV now, he certainly won't be coming to Heart, his ex-missus is shacked up with the Heart Chairman!

[Briz Vegas]

Brooch did not win, that was a mistake by the mc. He had to give it back. He's won plenty already anyway.

I was there and it was a bit dull in the first half as per above. It was like the Roar were playing on marbles to start with. I have a theory the finals are rarely great games and I tend to agree. It only picked up late in the second half. Being for Brisbane I was obviously happy withe the outcome although extra time would have been a better way to win. We certainly had the momentum. I think the Perth comment that " we thought we had done enough at 0 1 tells it all. Probably the Roars greatest strength is that it's never enough, they just keep plugging away.

It's not enough in the champions league ( I was there Tuesday as wel) but despite losses we have not been humiliated by the bigger Asian teams.

[wolster]

Fair go, Prof. That was the worst penalty decision I have ever seen, seriously, in watching football for more than forty years.
There was no contact. Simply a crap fresh-air shot mistake.
Take another look here.

We wuz robbed.

Edited by wolster, 22 April 2012 - 10:01 PM.

[proftournesol]

Miller contacted his weighted leg, and unbalanced him, hence the fresh air shot in any case that sort of tackle in the box will never get the benefit of the doubt unless you cleanly get the ball and Miller didn't get close. Remember the ref had to make the decision without the benefit of a video replay. Perth midfield dominated and Roar didn't really have any solutions for Burns/Miller but Glory hardly threatened Roar's goal all night. Ferguson's decision to take off Smeltz with a 1-0 lead cost them the game, although the Twiiter pics of his lip look pretty bad. I hope for Fergie's case that it was for medical reasons not for tactical reasons as sitting on a 1-0 lead in the GF against Roar is a dumb decision. I really feel sorry for Jacob Burns that he missed getting the Marston medal in his home town in a Grand Final. FFA owe him big time.

[Ken]

The refereee got the decision wrong, every replay clearly shows that.

But it was the reaction of Berisha that was a disgrace, not his reaction when he scored the penalty, that was understandable, but his reaction at being awarded a penalty which he clearly knew was incorrect and admitted so after the game, is exactly why football will never be a big time sport in Australia.

It is still seen as a game for cheats, this will reinforce that opinion.

Ken

[wolster]

Actually, Burns did get the medal once they realised the mistake an hour after the game.

[alittlewino]

the only problem I had with the penalty decision was that the Ref called it from behind - I was seated near the 18 yard box and although in real time, had the same view as the linesman and on first blush it was plain and simple a self-induced air swing - IF the Ref had doubt, and in that melee he should/would have, a simple consult of the linesman would have given him a clearer picture!

the std of reffing in general is pretty poor but overall wasn't too bad in the final except for 1 decision

ALW
ps - the desrved team won and most likely would have in the end as they were finally starting to tighten the screws, but this was not the way for Roar after a great come from behind end to the season

[proftournesol]

The standard of refereeing across the season was truly reflected in the final, that's true. Berisha's celebration was very poor sportsmanship.

[holdencaulfield2007]

Brisbane had all the momentum and they would probably have won in extra time. However that does not excuse the dive and play acting by Berisha. At such a crucial time in the decider why can't there be a video review?

[alittlewino]

interestingly a colleague at work watched it live on Fox and they apparently showed a front-on view which clearly showed that Berisha was just just clipped - apparently Robbie Slater was commentating and called it a penalty straight-up

just what I was told - perhaps others can corroborate because it would make me at least feel a whole lot better - better team won and should have, but better fair and square

ALW

[proftournesol]

Yes, the front on view shows Miller tackling him from behind, kicking Berisha's planted foot. Another view shows him pushing Berisha before that.

[Full Range]

Yes, the front on view shows Miller tackling him from behind, kicking Berisha's planted foot. Another view shows him pushing Berisha before that.

AS a Brisbane resident I did not want to get into this conversation to soon and wanted the dust to settle
I agree with profs description

As to a dive I cant agree and think that some people are blind

Please judge for yourself
Due to the explanation in the quote - and adding that the striker was also grappled by the defender at a crucial point making him more unbalanced when he fended him off
So based on mechanics - I saw it as
He took an unbalanced kick at the ball - missed it completely and fell because he was air born from a combination of momentum and balance

[wolster]

Interesting. Watching SBS this evening, Craig Foster, who originally agreed with the penalty call, changed his mind after seeing several replays. Even the Roar coach Ange Postecoglou declared it doubtful after seeing replays.
Berisha's disgraceful reaction after being awarded the penalty and his known reputation for diving clinches it for me.

When you add the incorrect presentation for the best player award it sums up an embarrassing night for A-League.
Their only win was that 50,000 fans turned up.

[Rockford]

I thought Craig Foster said it should be a penalty after watching the replays.

[Orpheus]

Interesting. Watching SBS this evening, Craig Foster, who originally agreed with the penalty call, changed his mind after seeing several replays. Even the Roar coach Ange Postecoglou declared it doubtful after seeing replays.
Berisha's disgraceful reaction after being awarded the penalty and his known reputation for diving clinches it for me.

When you add the incorrect presentation for the best player award it sums up an embarrassing night for A-League.
Their only win was that 50,000 fans turned up.

There is no suggestion that Berisha dived, as far as I am aware.

There was a touch, and he was tackled from behind. There was always a risk that a penalty would be awarded. The fact that looking at it from a million different angles in slow replay creates a doubt does not mean it was a poor decision.

Berisha has said after the match that he thought it should be a penalty.

There is nothing "disgraceful" in celebrating a goal which won Brisbane the competition. It would be rather odd if he didn't.

[Ken]

There is nothing "disgraceful" in celebrating a goal which won Brisbane the competition. It would be rather odd if he didn't.

I don't think anybody has said the he was "disgraceful" for celebrating the scoring of a penalty, what was disgracefull was his celebration before scoring the penalty. The celebration was because he realised that he had conned the referee into awarding the penalty.

Ken

[proftournesol]

It seems that Berisha didn't think that he'd conned the ref into giving him a penalty through simulation. However his celebration at being awarded a penalty was disrespectful and poor sportsmanship. I think that what makes it difficult is that this was virtually the last kick of the game and Perth had to chance to make amends on the field, however that was just an accident of timing.

[Grimmie]

At the end of the day it comes down to the fact that my Glory didn't do enough in the attacking department to warrant a huge whinge. They defended magnificently against the best attack going, right back to Danny V who surprised me with those saves as I have never considered him much of a shot-stopper. Heifer deserves the rough end of a pineapple for his rediculous antics getting sent off which caused a huge turn-around in the tempo and sense of destiny that Glory had. From that point, even more than Roar's first goal the cracks appeared. Every man on the pitch made mistakes, the own goal, Pant's slack marking (once) all are human and so's the ref, if he did make a mistake it's because we allowed him to be able to make it. (OK so I would have strangled him with my bare hands if he had been at the Inglewood United club rooms)
How do you spell 'se la vie'.- See you next season.

[proftournesol]

Fergie's other coaching error was leaving Heffernan on after his first yellow card.

Ce la vie...

[alittlewino]

had a birds-eye view of both of Heffernan's fouls - what a goose - brain fades in big games cost, 2 in a row is virtually inexcusable.

lots of profound negativity around Berishas post award of penalty expression - I must admit I just saw it as elation, relief and excitement outpouring after what was a terrific scrap in the box with 3 tough defenders with a win now in reach.

what am I missing?

[proftournesol]

That was Heffernan's behaviour pattern at Heart too. JVS had no patience for that sort of on-field behaviour and once Heff lost his spot to Behich, he never started another game for Heart.

[patjoy]

My 2c worth. I thought it was a penalty when it happened and can understand why the ref gave the penalty in that split moment. However, after viewing the replays, I can't see any contact being made by the glory player on Berisha. He lost his balance purely through his own momentum. And yes I thought it was disgraceful of Berisha to celebrate like he did when the penalty was awarded.

Very pleased that MV have snared Ange. He has got an almighty job in front of him though. (hopefully Muscat will go). If he can weave his magic here then I'm sure he will be snared by some overseas Asian club with deep pockets..

[Briz Vegas]

The world game guys convinced me there was contact, although berisha himself said it was not much, a tap. I think if you are saying " we was robbed" then you are over reacting. The penalty call is more of an art than a science it would seem. Fact is, on the night there was not much between the teams, Roar got there by the slimest of margins, Glory didn't actually score, all three goals were Roar goals, including one against themselves, but they did a great job shutting down the so so roar attack on goal for most of the game.

So now we enter the post Ange era. I think MV v Roar games next year will be interesting. MV will know our scary strength and weakness backwards, plus I am sure that some will feel the need to rub it in, let's hope Roar continues to improve and does not stagnate.

[proftournesol]

Ange v Muscat celebrity death match will be interesting too. Will the dark lord stay at Victory?