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#1 vmhf

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 12:25 AM

Just thought I'd post up my thoughts on a pair of Harbeth P3ESR's I received earlier this week. I imported them directly from Harbeth UK after some very pleasant email exchanges with Andy from Harbeth that resulted in a 2 week turnaround! (was told the turnaround time between 3 to 6 weeks as the speakers are made to order during their busiest time of the year)
When the speakers landed in the country I received a call from UPS requesting they take care of the import and GST fees on my behalf after they obtained my CC details.
To my delight, the speakers arrived the next day.

Upon opening the carton I was greeted with such beautifully finished speakers I just stood there admiring the fit and finish for what seemed like an eternity. The hardest decision when ordering was choosing a colour which ended up being Rosewood. I also opted for the 'Special Edition' version with studio grade ulta pure OFC internal wiring.

Using my main system of Herron preamp, Conrad Johnson poweramp and source being a North Star Design DAC and transport combo. JPS Labs cabling was used throughout so I think my system was up to scratch.

Other speakers on hand to compare to the Harbeth's were my trusty ML-1 Signatures, and Linn Kan mk 1.

...and now to my thoughts. In a few words. An intoxicating listening experience.

I kept the musical content brief with a few tracks from Rosanne Cash, Leonard Cohen, Angus and Julia Stone. Nothing too challenging like a full scale orchestra with my TT setup out of action.

My first pleasant surprise with the P3ESR was the weight of sound it had compared to my lean sounding Linn Kans. As the Harbeths share a similar sealed box design and are only slightly deeper this came as a revelation. Playing Leonard Cohen's 'Hallelujah' the bass was literally felt and not just heard when the volume was turned up a few notches. The chestiness of his voice was ever so present. On my ML-1's the bass is seismic but his voice did not captivate me as did with the Harbeth's presentation.

When hearing Angus and Juila Stone's 'I'm Not Yours' I really felt the timbre of the piano with the Harbeth to be spot on whilst on both the ML-1's and Linn Kans it did not sound right by comparison. When Julia's child like voice begins the Harbeth presents it with more weight than the other two speakers that adds more emotion to the song. Right or wrong I preferred the Harbeths on this one. As the bass kicked in shortly afterwoods this was where the ML-1's excelled with its exceptional control and depth. In fact I felt this was brought too much to my attention as to detract from the enjoyment of the song.

Finally listening to Rosanne Cash's duo with her famous dad, 'September When It Comes' the Harbeth really sealed the deal for me for musical enjoyment and involvement. Rosanne's voice had an added richness and body to it the Linn Kans definitely lacked and the ML-1's only hinted at. When Johnny joined in I just forgot all about the gear in front of me and drifted into the music.

A quick listen to some fast electronic music with lots of deep bass showed the Harbeth handled it well but slightly struggled to keep pace compared to both the ML-1's and Linn Kans which are known to be super fast. I would not be buying the P3ESR if you solely listen to hip hop, dance or electronic music. I think you would be wasting their talents but who knows as everyone's ears are different.

Finally connecting my trusty old Redgum amp proved the Harbeths sounded great with more modest amplification. Certainly the separation, soundstage width and depth were diminished as were detail levels but most of the musical message got through to give an engaging listen.

Now I realize comparing speakers like this is not really a fair assessment. But I don't think I have ever read a review, when comparing different speakers, where the reviewer has multiple systems on hand optimised to each speaker. Perhaps my setup was not suitable for both the Linn Kans and the ML-1s but in isolation I have always enjoyed these speakers in my main setup.

So in conclusion I find the Harbeth P3ESR the most musically satisfying small speaker I have ever listened to. It is not perfect as no speaker is. I would enjoy a little more air to the sound but that could effect the intimacy of its presentation. Also the bottom end is not the fastest or the deepest I have heard for a standmount. The combination of midrange clarity with a slightly warm character is the best I have heard which is where it really counts. With acoustic instruments and voices the P3ESR just sounded so natural. Now I understand why this speaker has received such worldwide acclaim.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 06:11 AM

Ohhh...nice review Victor. Thanks for sharing.
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 06:20 AM

Nice one Victor. VERY keen to hear these......maybe I should buy a pair myself? Ha ha.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 06:24 AM

.....and maybe the bass will improve as they run in? They look STUNNING too!

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 06:52 AM

What a beauty Victor! May I ask the landed cost, I may consider importing a pair.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 08:38 AM

Thanks for sharing Victor. Mighty handsome they are. So when is the GTG again :)
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 09:05 AM

They look beautiful Victor (wish my Harbeths were that colour!).

Be interesting to hear a comparison with your ProAc 1SCs - in places of your review you could almost replace 'Harbeth' with 'Proac' in the comparisons to the ML1s.

What is it with Harbeths? They just sound 'right'. Others can do things better, but they are a complete package.
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 11:21 AM

Others can do things better, but they are a complete package.


Amen to that. Hi Danter :)

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 11:27 AM

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Victor. Very informative.

They look fantastic - all class.

I've had a thing for Harbeths for a very long time now after hearing various models over the years. The all important mid range has struck me as absolutely superb on every occasion.

Must buy a pair before I die.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 11:28 AM

Congrats on your purchase Victor. I look forward to hearing these on a future visit!
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 11:34 AM

What is it with Harbeths? They just sound 'right'. Others can do things better, but they are a complete package.


I suspect it is that cabinet aided Midrange - really lovely on the occasions I have heard them.

Danter why don't you see if you can take your Leben on over to Victors and let him see how that sounds? Leben and Harbeth are a well known excellent synergy.

Oh Victor - fantastic write up. I love sealed bass as well.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 12:14 PM

I think danter is well versed in the Leben/Harbeth synergy, Bill! :)

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 01:03 PM

I think danter is well versed in the Leben/Harbeth synergy, Bill! :)


Yea - just want to see if Victor can experience it as well. By all accounts it is simply sublime. You first told me about it but plenty of other sources have since confirmed it. Hope to hear it one day myself. Of all the English speakers ATC, ProAc, Spendor etc etc my favorite has always been Harbeth (closely followed by ATC). Slightly colored midrange to my ears but just lovely sounding, simply lovely.

Love the Leben and my ML3's. Only heard them briefly on the ML1's because Lenehan Audio has it right now to do the crossover tweak to tune it to my ML3's but it is taking longer than I thought. If it takes much longer will take it back to my system and return it when the tuning is actually ready to be done.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 02:34 PM

If your keen to hear the Leben Victor, let me know (still got that CD of yours to return too).
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 03:06 PM

Thanks for the review Victor and they look fabulous......congratulations on the acquisition mate. Great pics too, but can you post with the grills off and set up in the listening position with the rest of the system? Hope that's not asking for too much!:)

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 03:26 PM

Great review. Great pics.
Thanks for making the effort, vmhf :)
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 03:32 PM

Great write up vmhf. I remember querying here on these forums a little while ago whether anyone had experienced the 3PESR from Harbeth. Guess your the first here to actually post about them. They have had a lot of praise online, guess its well warranted.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 04:31 PM

Thanks for all the kind words guys. I was listening to the Harbeths, Linn Kans and ML-1's with a buddy last night and just had to write up my thoughts whilst the music was still fresh in my mind.
Even though the speakers are literally only a few days old Andy from Harbeth said there was no real run in period necessary.

I won't divulge the landed costs publicly Stereobug but will send you a PM. With the current favourable exchange rates and buying direct from Harbeth UK, without having to deal with a distributor, makes the P3ESR superb value in my books.

You have got me very excited Bhobba at the prospect of trying the Leben amp with the Harbeths. Have to wait for the invitation from Danter first! Nudge nudge..

When I get my Proac Response 1SC's back next week will do a direct head to head with the Harbeths. I might let someone else put up their thoughts on that one though.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 04:45 PM

If your keen to hear the Leben Victor, let me know (still got that CD of yours to return too).


You must have missed this! Happy to lend a pair of ears for a harbeth / proactive shoot out.
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 04:53 PM

Must be the humidity Michael!
OK. Now the pressure is on to get the Harbeth P3ESR v Proac Response 1SC shootout under way shortly!

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 06:10 PM

can you post with the grills off and set up in the listening position with the rest of the system? Hope that's not asking for too much!Posted Image

Any chance Victor?
What's you current placing on what you've listened to so far...........I take it the Harbeth P3ESRs are leading at this point?

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 07:42 PM

Hi Keith,
I would love to see the acclaimed Radial 2 110mm mid/bass driver in the flesh too!
Just have to read the instructions on how to take off the grilles without damaging them. May consult Andy on that one unless some Harbeth owners here can guide me.
Other pressing matters tonight and tomorrow so pictures won't be posted until possibly Sunday evening. The sound is so enjoyable I want to cancel all plans this weekend but the speakers won't be going anywhere soon...
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 07:51 PM

You must have missed this! Happy to lend a pair of ears for a harbeth / proactive shoot out.


I'm happy to throw a pair of 47 Lab Lens into the mix if you guys are interested?

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 07:59 PM

I'm happy to throw a pair of 47 Lab Lens into the mix if you guys are interested?


Well, I'd be very interested (especially as I was hopeless in getting back to you over the Christmas period).

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 08:50 PM

I know how to take the covers off - just get a paper clip, unfold it a little, hook it over the back and pull. But I wouldn't - they sound better with SS with grill on.
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 09:01 PM

47 Labs Lens are ...forward....Harbeth are recessed. Both make beautiful music.


It's the juxtaposition of the completely different, yet perhaps equally satisfying approach I find intriguing.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 10:18 PM

Hi Keith,
I would love to see the acclaimed Radial 2 110mm mid/bass driver in the flesh too!
Just have to read the instructions on how to take off the grilles without damaging them. May consult Andy on that one unless some Harbeth owners here can guide me.

On my Super HL5's I just gently pull around the edge with my finger tips, working my way around in one direction. They are not that delicate. They just slot in to a groove in the speaker face.

I listen with grill on though.

I too need to experience the Leben/Harbeth combo, currently running EAR864 pre with MF A5cr power amp.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 10:40 PM

Worked it out as well guys. Phew! A so called audiophile who cannot remove speaker grills is a bit of a worry.

Just took some pics of the speakers without the grilles attached. They look even more stunning with the grilles off. Pics coming soon...

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 10:51 PM

The speakers are so beautiful Victor. Very keen to hear them one day.

As for removing the grills, I found the easiest way is to use a strong magnet (I used one removed from a computer hard drive, it's probably too strong but works), attach it to one corner of the grill and slightly pull out then do the same with another corner, the grill should come off painlessly.

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Posted 20 February 2011 - 07:33 AM

Just to prove I am not totally useless, a few pictures of the Harbeths with their grilles off in my system! Up close you can really appreciate the detail of the cabinetry.
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Posted 20 February 2011 - 07:51 AM

That's better Victor, they look sensational with the grills off. The cabinet work is perfect......makes me very envious, that finish on speaker cabs. Pretty bright room is it mate?

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Posted 20 February 2011 - 08:08 AM

That's better Victor, they look sensational with the grills off. The cabinet work is perfect......makes me very envious, that finish on speaker cabs


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Posted 20 February 2011 - 09:38 AM

That's better Victor, they look sensational with the grills off.


Indeed... speaker porn!!
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Posted 20 February 2011 - 10:00 AM

Hi Victor,
wow - all the toys for the boys. Stunning!
Eagerly awaiting your impressions on Harbeth vs 1SC.
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Posted 20 February 2011 - 10:07 AM

Up close you can really appreciate the detail of the cabinetry.


You surely can......absolutely gorgeous.

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Posted 20 February 2011 - 10:13 AM

They look superb, It's a shame there aren't any local manufacturers producing cabinets of that quality (that I can think of anyway).

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Posted 20 February 2011 - 10:30 AM

They look superb, It's a shame there aren't any local manufacturers producing cabinets of that quality (that I can think of anyway).


Hi wixy, I think many of the local manufacturers are doing some beautiful work too. I saw a pair of Osborn speakers at another members place yesterday and the finish on them was simply stunning.

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Posted 20 February 2011 - 10:35 AM

Hi wixy, I think many of the local manufacturers are doing some beautiful work too. I saw a pair of Osborn speakers at another members place yesterday and the finish on them was simply stunning.

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No doubt, I used to own Osborn Interludes which had a very nice finish. The grill fixing mechanism on the Harbeths is much nicer and cleaner looking.

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Posted 20 February 2011 - 02:51 PM

Just wanted to mention although I am waiting for my ML3 Reference I did want a speaker for my computer system and decided to get some ML1 Ultras. Won't be ready for at least 6 weeks but what occurred to me is it may be be possible to send them down to Victor to compare to the Harbeths once they are finished. I know the guys at Lenehan Audio don't think the Signature Victor has is a good example compared to what they currently produce. Listening to my ML1's through the Leben 300XS - man it is sublime. Would love to hear the comparison through the Leben. Anyway would people be interested?

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Posted 20 February 2011 - 04:43 PM

Hi Keith,
My room isn't too bad accoustically once I draw a curtain to the left side of my speakers. I have been considering putting a curtain across my TV like in the cinemas and also have been investigating some acoustic wall panels for my rear wall. Living in a townhouse complex does not allow me to listen to music at loud levels anyway so all this could be a moot point. At low to moderate listening levels the music sounds acceptable to me.
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That's better Victor, they look sensational with the grills off. The cabinet work is perfect......makes me very envious, that finish on speaker cabs. Pretty bright room is it mate?

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Posted 20 February 2011 - 04:45 PM

Sounds like a good idea to me Bill. Mike mentioned to me about trying his Ultras some day he was down my way. I guess it could be sooner rather than later.
Might do the Harbeth v Proac shoot out first but see how it goes with timing.
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Just wanted to mention although I am waiting for my ML3 Reference I did want a speaker for my computer system and decided to get some ML1 Ultras. Won't be ready for at least 6 weeks but what occurred to me is it may be be possible to send them down to Victor to compare to the Harbeths once they are finished. I know the guys at Lenehan Audio don't think the Signature Victor has is a good example compared to what they currently produce. Listening to my ML1's through the Leben 300XS - man it is sublime. Would love to hear the comparison through the Leben. Anyway would people be interested?

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Posted 20 February 2011 - 06:57 PM

Sounds like a good idea to me Bill. Mike mentioned to me about trying his Ultras some day he was down my way. I guess it could be sooner rather than later. Might do the Harbeth v Proac shoot out first but see how it goes with timing.


Doing Harbeth Proac shootout first sounds a good idea. Although 6 weeks was quoted for the Ultras with how busy they are that can stretch out to who knows how long. I don't mind though because the only way things could be realistically sped up is to do stuff like not answering the phone or turn away people at the factory which is not the type of customer service I think people would like to go by the wayside.

When finished and they have a bit of a burn in I will see if I get a pair down that way.

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Posted 20 February 2011 - 07:13 PM

I find it funny that whenever we have a thread about any item being reviewed by a member, we always have people who want it compared to what they have etc etc and IMO the thread loses its way.
Why don't we keep this thread all about the Harbeth's and restrict all talk about comparisons to pm's or another thread.

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 06:47 AM

Victor - those look stunning with a capital S.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 06:30 PM

Had an enjoyable evening at Victor's last night and had a listen to these little wonders. Comparison was aginst his Proac 1Sc's, his ML-1 Signatures, and a little pair of Spendors (SP3?) that another SNAer brought over. Hardware was Victor's highly tuned system - my little Ampino just cowered in the corner. Listening tracks (Victor will need to provide detail) were a Julia Stone vocal from the latest album, a Coors cover of an REM song, a Nils Lofgren guitar track, and a Cuban singer - apologies for not remembering more detail!

I will provide a bit more analysis later, but the upshot of my listening was:

P3ESR - beautiful on vocals, good sound stage, very airy top end and respectable bass for their size. Lost a bit when things began to rock
1SC - more body, good bass, a touch "hot" on the top end, could handle more complex passages, I kinda get what the fuss is about
ML-1 Signatures - best bass, top end felt dull, which is very different to my PlusR's (wonder if it is the cryo treatment of the innards?), my preference for when things began to get more full and rockier
Spendors - nice speakers, not offensive, similar in sound to the P3ESR's but didn't quite engage me

I guess my concluson was, horses for courses. I don't think I could have the P3ESR's as my only speaker, but I would love to be able to swap them in for certain styles of listening, as I do with my headphones. Would also like to compare these speakers on my rig, as the ML-1s didn't sound quite as detailed as mine.

Of couse, this is only my opinion, othes may vary. Victor?
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