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[bhobba]

He , he Bill , didn't anyone tell you that 40w and Gale 401/2's does not a good match make

Well that amp had some circuit to give it more on transients so it sounded like a more powerful amp. But yea the guy that sold it to me said some 200W much more expensive job he had would be better, but didn't want to spend the dosh. At lower levels no problem though.

Thanks
Bill

[monaro8]

Bit like NRMA. DBTs have arguably been the most contentious subjects discussed here and in other forums over the years and I'm surprised you've not come across the term or the debate in the past.

Grooveshark is a great resource for listening to whole songs and albums and I tend to listen to it first on Grooveshark before committing to purchase.

Cheers,
'
Keith

I think I did read a bit about them some time ago but not in depth. I may have a read when I get a chance and could be bothered.

Also will need to check out Grooveshark...do you need to subscribe, any fees? Hope not!

Cheers...Vanch...

[cheekyboy]

I think I did read a bit about them some time ago but not in depth. I may have a read when I get a chance and could be bothered.

Also will need to check out Grooveshark...do you need to subscribe, any fees? Hope not!

Cheers...Vanch...

Yeah Vanch, DBTs can be a pretty touchy subject around here, but it does have some strong advocates if you care to find them, and I'm sure they would fast track your appreciation!!

Grooveshark is free and there's not much you can't access there.

Cheers,

Keith

[rab]

don't tell anyone but nearly all my music I download using 'uTorrent'...

oops; i think you just did!.

Thanks for the Lyle Lovett info: must be Pontiac, because Joshua Judges Ruth has been my favourite LL CD for many years, and a very well recorded one, too.

These days i am using amazon's album preview to check out music. If i recall correctly, my mac isn't configured to play music from allmusic.

I held out against downloading music for a long time and then eventually had a period where i installed bittorrent software and downloaded a bunch of stuff to try out. It is absolutely am amazing 'resource' for trying out new music, but in the end i was not comfortable with it and removed the bittorrent software from my computer, decided which of the downloads i really liked, bought them, and deleted the rest. I suspect i may be in the minority around here.

[cheekyboy]

Hi Richard, you've obviously repaired the speaker terminal and replaced the short speaker cables...............how are the ML-3s sounding now with better room placement and some time to settle in?

Cheers,

Keith

[monaro8]

oops; i think you just did!.

Thanks for the Lyle Lovett info: must be Pontiac, because Joshua Judges Ruth has been my favourite LL CD for many years, and a very well recorded one, too.

These days i am using amazon's album preview to check out music. If i recall correctly, my mac isn't configured to play music from allmusic.

I held out against downloading music for a long time and then eventually had a period where i installed bittorrent software and downloaded a bunch of stuff to try out. It is absolutely am amazing 'resource' for trying out new music, but in the end i was not comfortable with it and removed the bittorrent software from my computer, decided which of the downloads i really liked, bought them, and deleted the rest. I suspect i may be in the minority around here.

Richard,

I hadn't really listened to Lyle's music much, only what I'd heard on the radio a while ago...I do not listen to radio that much anyway.

Not long ago for some reason he popped into my head...I had a listen to some of his CD's on Allmusic...liked them...loaded the music I mentioned...now I really liked his stuff. Very interesting lyrics too....he's a pretty cool dude that Lyle.

The great thing with uTorrent is you can load so much excellent music from all around the world and most times the quality is very good.

Cheers...V...

[AKSA]

Ya know, Lyle Lovett has many sides. He has owned a large motorcycle dealership in Houston since the late nineties, sells Yamaha, BMW and Cagiva. He's a capable race rider, too.

Hugh

Edited by AKSA, 22 January 2011 - 07:45 AM.
Factual

[monaro8]

Ya know, Lyle Lovett has many sides. He has owned a large motorcycle dealership in Houston since the late nineties, sells Yamaha, BMW and Cagiva. He's a capable race rider, too.

Hugh

Hugh,

didn't know that...he is a rare breed LL, very very talented and maybe underated for his own personal sense of IMO musical genius...

Ride on Lyle...

Vanch...

[rab]

Hi Richard, you've obviously repaired the speaker terminal and replaced the short speaker cables...............how are the ML-3s sounding now with better room placement and some time to settle in?

Hi Keith, I wish! The new binding posts only arrived on Friday. A tech will be coming around here to replace them, hopefully this week. Then i can start experimenting with speaker placement (once the kids are asleep or -- better! -- out of the house... but the latter is a rare event, unless i am with them!). Despite all of that, I have still been enjoying the ML-3s very much... they seem to shine with all types of music, rock, classical, jazz, etc, which is a good thing because i like all those types of music!

[djb]

poo missed this
have to start reading the GTG thread
i live a short walk away

[Super Mustud]

A very interesting thread. Enjoyed reading it. Loved the pic of the cat, thanks for that, Drizzt.

[b4sound]

Take 2... (too lazy to start another thread)

Richmond Hill (rab, what was the hard cheese on the right - super!)




ML3 > not what I had imagined - they were sweet.

[b4sound]

[gainphile]

Very nice looking loudspeakers!

I'm curious why the tweeter is so far from the woofer. What is the xo point?

[joz]

Looks like Saganaki (grilled Kefalograviera)

Richmond Hill (rab, what was the hard cheese on the right - super!)

Edited by joz, 12 June 2011 - 09:29 AM.

[Paul Spencer]

Andi, I had the same thought.

[rab]

Looks like Saganaki (grilled Kefalograviera)

Wrong country Joz! It's French, Roy de Vallees. Sensational stuff.

[joz]

Wrong country Joz! It's French, Roy de Vallees. Sensational stuff.

doh!

looks good anyhow!

[rab]

Take 2... (too lazy to start another thread)

So yes, with my wife away and an offer to dump my kids at my sister's house for a few hours, I took the opportunity to host another small GTG at my place on Saturday.
Present was b4sound (with his Audiophilleo 2), jamesg11, jcjuice, djb, goochman and goochman's friend Nathan. Unfortunately, Lebowski had to cancel, bodhisattva had a prior engagement, and cheekyboy and xtrachewy were both out of town for the long weekend.

This GTG was more relaxed than my first one, in which we had a group of folks keen to put the ML-3s through their paces by throwing all kinds of music at them at jet engine SPLs. This time, jamesg11 caught me out by arriving before i did (!), and had to watch me picking up kids' toys, moving the speakers out from the walls, and generally getting ready. We started with Ella & Louis, lovely warm music and very well recorded, and just let it play, evertthing streamed from my iMac. We barely changed moods the entire afternoon. Vinyl man djb was amused to watch me fighting with the iMac - well, really Audivarna, which crashed twice. (Actually I believe I have found out why in this particular instance, and have posted a bug report).

As mentioned by b4sound in a more appropriate thread here, we compared the sound quality direct from the iMac into the (ministreamer) USB input of my PDX DAC and via the Audiophilleo 2 and the S/PDIF input. As expected, the latter was superior. At John Kenny's suggestion, we then tried the 6dB and 10dB attenuators - actually, we tried 6dB and 16dB, and then compared 16dB with 0dB attenuation. Although the comparisons were fairly casual in nature, the general consensus was that the attenuators changed the sound (although personally i was not sure i could always detect a change), but there was not agreement as to which sounded best. The degree of change also seemed signal-dependent, with a solo piano not being much affected, but Ella & Louis being noticeably different. In the end, we mostly seemed to feel that the sound was best without the attenuators. In any event, the afternoon was a strong endorsement for the Audiophilleo 2. (I would have bought one already on the strength of kdoot and Mike Lenehan's rave reports, but in the end I decided I would go with something with an I2S output mounted within the PDX.)

It was a nice afternoon and made me want to do another before too long. The only comment I would make to the attendees was that the speaker placement and tow-in was rather arbitrary. After everybody left, I experimented a bit and ended up with more toe-in and a greater distance to the listening spot (i.e., the couch).

p.s. the Richmond Hill cheese room rocks!

[b4sound]

Was jcjuice virtual? I am sure I have counted everyone in the 2.5 hours ...

[rab]

Was jcjuice virtual?

oops - i just typed in the 'guest list' and hadn't even realised until now that he was a no-show. Hey jcjuice, what happened?

[goochman]

Thanks again rab for the great music, wine and cheese.

I was lucky enough to be both at the original GTG and this latest version. The key changes since that day were the upgrade in capacitors in your PDX and the run in time (last time they were taken out of the box less than 24 hours before). Also last time was using a CD as a source vs the computer this time.

I must say I am really impressed at the improvement (if my memory isn't playing tricks). The changes have really rounded everything out beautifully and the speakers completely disappear. Compared to my ML1+Rs there is that great depth about the ML3s.

My thoughts on the attenuators were that they made the sound much warmer. I think I preferred it without but not with all the different types of music we tried. I can say it was definitely different.

All in all a really enjoyable afternoon

[xtrachewy]

Sounds like I missed a great GTG -the secret is perhaps not a fresh set of ears but an array of stinky foot cheeses

[LenehanAudio]

Very nice looking loudspeakers!

I'm curious why the tweeter is so far from the woofer. What is the xo point?

Hi Gainphile the distance between the acoustic centers of the woofer and tweeter is related to the wavelength at the Xover frequency ! to be more specific it is related to the area's approximately 1 octave under and above the Xover frequency and their wavelengths.
As long as there is an acceptable phase and amplitude lock at the Xover frequency the listener perceives the sound as a point source . This can be variable in respect of the specific design of course. The tweeter on the ML3 has a very small 72mm faceplate so this can make it look a little further away also.
There are other things to consider like internal bass driver diaphragm reflective paths and practical baffle rigidity. The bass driver nitrile roll surround also causes a glitch if it is too close to the tweeter diaphragm. The compromises are many !
Best Regards Mike Lenehan LenehanAudio

[gainphile]

Hi Mike, thanks for the explanation!

Indeed the tweeter is very small compared to usual ones like HDS in ML-1.

[rab]

Hi all, this coming Sunday (10 July) Whatmore is bringing his Sanders Magtech power amp over so I can hear it with my ML-3s and I think Hugh Dean will be bringing a NAKSA 100 over also.

I am happy to have a small number of interested folks over, and also I would be interested if anyone is willing to bring a solid-state power amp of similar quality over so that we have 3 amps all-up... I am thinking of something like a Bryston, Marantz, Parasound JC, etc...

Unfortunately, my PDX DAC has not yet been upgraded to a low-jitter asynchronous USB interface, so we have to live with that or spin CDs through the S/PDIF interface...

Let me know if you are interested in attending. I want to keep this pretty small because I actually want to listen to the amps!

[Keith_W]

Damn! Would love to come but already committed myself to another GTG! What's it about bloody Melbourne these days ... there seem to be GTG's every weekend!

[Whatmore]

Damn! Would love to come but already committed myself to another GTG! What's it about bloody Melbourne these days ... there seem to be GTG's every weekend!

Simple, just come to both

[b4sound]

Is it in the afternoon?
(it is looking like I have to do some work this Sunday - a pity)

[rab]

Is it in the afternoon?
(it is looking like I have to do some work this Sunday - a pity)

It's looking like about 10:30am - 3pm at the moment.

[Juicester]

oops - i just typed in the 'guest list' and hadn't even realised until now that he was a no-show. Hey jcjuice, what happened?

woops. is it too late to apologise now that you're selling them? you see, i secretly knew you wouldnt keep them so i thought there was no point coming.. was looking forward to going too.