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#1 proftournesol

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 07:03 PM

After quite a wait, I received my Deltas about a week ago so this is early days in my experience with these speakers. They've had about 100 hours of use at this stage. First a bit of background: I've been very happy with my Avantgardes, detailed, dynamic and very easy to listen to, soft or loud. The only area of difficulty has been the interaction of the Solos with my room. It's about 5m x 6m x 3m with very very solid brick construction, but with a suspended wooden floor that really acts like a giant 30m squared passive bass radiator. Consequently there's been a large 80-150Hz resonance in the room, quite muddying the bass response and really, I think that the Solos have bass that overpowers the room at times. i can hear you thinking at this stage "get a bass trap", but hey, where's the fun in that:)

The other thing to take into account is the Professor's buying strategy: the paint shop experience is apt here. When Prof & Mme Tournesol visit the paint shop our different shopping strategies reflect our positions at the extremes of the hunter-gatherer spectrum. Mme Tournesol accumulates every paint card that has been released since the mid 19th Century to be able to make her selection, Prof Tournesol picks the one colour that he likes and that he can live with. This strategy also applies to stereo gear purchase decisions so I won't pretend that I've heard millions of high-end speakers to compare these with, nor will I definitively claim that they are 'world's best' or even 'the best that I could buy for the money' - life's too short for that, there's too much music too enjoy and too many mountains to cycle up.

It's funny how things change, 20 years ago I never would have spent even a tenth of the money that these cost on unheard equipment, but years of buying stuff over the net either desensitises you a bit or perhaps gives you a feel for what may be worthwhile. Nevertheless, it was a bit of a punt. It was helped by auditioning their bigger brother, the Delta, at Warwick's place but of course still required quite a bit of conjecture at the difference between the models. Of course you never listen to or review 'speakers' but rather it's about listening to music through 'systems', it helped that I was listening to a similar turntable/arm/cartridge as well as a similar TVC passive, and as I discovered with my Solos, TVC passives really can excel with active speakers so I was reasonably confident that I wouldn't be disappointed.

The speakers arrived in 2 large cardboard boxes, luckily not as imposing as Mondie's Alphas. Warwick also supplied 2 Leidke Metalldesign speaker stands, subsequently garnet filled. In my attempts to decouple, the stands sit via spikes on Vibracones sitting on a slate plate resting on triangulated Herbies rubber discs. All I need is the elephant and then the turtle underneath:) I agonised a bit over the colour options - all black or black and silver and eventually went with the black and silver. i think that this was the right choice but the silver accentuates the slightly convex side panels and they look a little 'porky'. The finish is mirror like, but much to Mme Tournesol's disappointment they have no grill and they are bigger than Bose speakers. "They aren't as ugly as those hideous jet engines though" (the Avantgardes) The stands are very solid but unlike the Avantgarde stands don't carry the cables through them so they don't look quite as tidy. The speaker have 3 little windows that show the sand filled layer between the 2 layers of the cabinet - personal view, I'd prefer to take their word for the presence of the sand and do without the windows, they spoil the appearance of the back of the speaker in my opinion.

Each speaker has 2 connections, a power cord to the built in amps, and an XLR terminated interconnect from the preamp. Luckily this was an identical setup to the Solos so it only took a few seconds to plug them in. Internally, there's a 'Class D' (or whatever you want to call it) ICE amp for each driver, 250W each for treble and midrange X-ART driver, and a 350W amp for the bass driver. Warwick has also lent me an Exactpower power supply conditioner and this so far hasn't shown more than a 120W drain for the entire system at volumes as loud as I can bear. The speakers also have an autosensing setting and use virtually no power on standby but automatically switch on when they sense a signal. This means that with a TVC passive preamp (no switch), all I have to do is switch on the turntable or CD Player to make music. Warwick has used his SPL to adjust the analog equaliser settings for each driver - I still have a room resonance of about 3-4 dB at around 125Hz but it's much improved over the sound with unadjusted settings.

So how does it sound?
Once again, I remind myself that it's the system that I'm listening through, not the speakers. The first things that perplexed me was that digital sounds much much much closer to analog with these speakers. Perplexingly though, analog also sounds better, with even better resolution at all frequencies and even better dynamics. These speakers are very detailed and very very fast and accurate, but also very musical with lots of 'air', not at all 'digital'. The system now has a very low noise floor and i can easily distinguish between steel and nylon guitar strings for instance, and on tracks like 'Vicious' on Lou Reed's Transformer album I can now hear him breathing between lines. There's no need for hyperbole like "it puts me right in the recording studio", or "the front row of the theatre", it doesn't, and it doesn't sound like 'real live music' either, but it's a hell of a lot closer to it.

Some tracks sound more dynamic and have more PRaT with the Solos, many more so with the Deltas. Some recordings, such as Rodrigo y Gabriela just sound unbelievably closer to lifelike, if I was going to indulge in the hyperbole of professional reviewers, I'd be tempted to say that you could hear Gabriela's sweat drops bouncing off her guitar body:) Without any hyperbole though, on Cowboy Junkies vinyl "Trinity Sessions" I can not only hear the air-conditioner in the church but I can hear whooshing sound of the air coming out of the ducts! The vinyl version of the White Stripes "Elephant" album almost does have Meg's drum kit in my room, and this is without a sub, dynamics are one of this system's strongpoints.

At the end of the day, having spent my own money, the question always is was it a good purchase? Yep.

Edited by proftournesol, 02 April 2009 - 07:42 PM.
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 07:18 PM

Awesome. Glad you love them. Im waiting on my PM from warick to go have a listen :)

I LOVE the ideal of 3-way stand mounts. Would love to listen to some sealed 3-ways sometime too.

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 07:27 PM

Good write up Prof- I thoroughly enjoyed that! Must ensure I seek out an opportunity to listen to some of these.
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 07:33 PM

Thanks Prof and great pictures close up! IIm gunna sleep with their big sisters on Satur night!
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 08:23 PM

Well done Prof.

I enjoyed your write up, your impressions and your photos.

Time to enjoy!

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 08:33 PM

Thanks for your right up they look like their a fairly large stand mount .I like the sand in the cab ,I know of one mad swiss builder who does the same in his amp chassis .

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 10:47 PM

A very enjoyable read, Prof. Thank you for taking the time to pen your thoughts and take the pics.

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P.S. Just noticed that Pure Audio are no longer putting the prices of Adam speakers on their website. Pity.

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:09 PM

I love your philosophy on auditioning speakers,my thoughts exactly i just wish i could articulate as well as you Prof.I have also heard the Adams at Warwick's and after your review i am determined to follow in your footsteps.

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:17 PM

Congrats on the purchase, Prof! They look at home already. Come to think of it, Mme Tournesol (or is that Bianca Castafiore?) is right - your old Avantgardes do look a bit like jet engines! Not that I mind the look, my speakers are even uglier :)

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 07:11 AM

Good work prof!
Love the detailed story of your decision making processes and looks like you made a sound choice you'll be happy with for a long time.
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Posted 03 April 2009 - 07:38 AM

Thanks for the great read and photos Prof. Congratulations on the purchase, and I’m glad you’re enjoying them.

These Adam speakers from the photos look to be very size friendly for many homes, I’m quite keen at some stage to have a listen to a few of the models.


Has anyone that has listened to the Adam's (any of the models) found them to be bright/fatiguing with CD playback?
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Posted 03 April 2009 - 07:54 AM

Has anyone that has listened to the Adam's (any of the models) found them to be bright/fatiguing with CD playback?


It's a strange phenomenon that I don't understand but for the first time these speakers make digital easily listenable for me, still lacking in that analog 'life' but it has bizarrely been the biggest improvement to digital sound that I've made! Someone explain it!

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Analog: Pink Triangle (totally Funked) Kuzma Stogi Reference, Soundsmith Straingauge Digital: modified CEC TL-51X transport , MacMini, Weiss Minerva DAC Tuner: Tandberg A3011 Preamp: Octave HP500se Speakers: ADAM Tensor Deltas | Vibration management: HRS | Cables: Argento Serenity, WSS Kabel, Nordost, Transparent, Cardas |

Second System Source: Cambridge Audio DV99 | Apple TV (Gen 1)| DACMagic | Amplification: Sugden A25 Speakers: ADAM HM2


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Posted 03 April 2009 - 08:09 AM

Congrats prof

they do look the part and am glad to read you are enjoying them.
think i may have to book in that grinder trial if only just to listen to that fine system of yours.
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Posted 03 April 2009 - 08:13 AM

this is the best explanation I've come across that helps me understand why I'm troubled by digital sound:
In the early days good digital was often equated with inoffensive sound. In general digital was rendered inoffensive by taking the edge off the presentation, by rounding it into shape so to speak. The problem was that in rounding the corners and the edges, musically relevant information was sacrificed in order to preserve listenability. Inoffensive and listenable: hardly ‘perfect sound forever.' For the better part of its existence, digital playback has exhibited all the dimensionality of cardboard with a soul to match. With few exceptions, digital playback favors an undue emphasis on the leading edge of notes at the expense of revealing their harmonic structure and a sense of natural decay.

The emphasis on the leading edge of notes naturally invited a fixation on what I take to be musically irrelevant features of playback: soundstaging and imaging. Digital highlights visual rather than auditory features of performances and in doing so distracts from and obscures the musically significance of a performance – timbral integrity, tonal accuracy, dynamic realism, overall coherence and structural integrity – what I think of as resolution (in the same way in which in art we distinguished paintings that are resolved from those that are not).

Digital has come a long way, but some characteristics of it remain largely unchanged. Of the many artifacts of digital playback three have proven almost insurmountable obstacles to my ability to enjoy listening long term to it. I can perhaps best characterize the true excellence of the Reimyo by identifying the digital artifacts that the Reimyo largely if not completely avoids.

First, most digital playback strikes me as rushed and harried. I often get the sense that the performance is not developing but is being rushed along. I hear this as failures of timing and flow. In saying that I experience digital playback as exhibiting timing defects, yet do not mean to suggest that digital gets the beat wrong or that it can't keep time. Rather, to my ears, there is a difference between walking and marching. Digital marches along; it almost never walks, swivels or sways along. Have you ever tried to keep time with a musician? There is something about the feel of a musician keeping the same time you are keeping. It exhibits an ease by comparison to your relative rigidity; there is a flow to it that yours typically does not exhibit.

Digital playback is often unnerving to me because it presents music in what for want of a better term strikes me as at an a-musical speed. Analog can be rough and frenetic; but it has a grace and flow that seems appropriate to music that digital lacks – or which digital displays too infrequently. Have had the same response to the way some modern turntables keep time: a military march rather than a walk with Fred Astair. Marching to a conclusion: making sure you get from point A to point B; as opposed to say, enjoying the walk or the trip, or just going at a natural and appropriate pace. This feature kept me from fully enjoying the otherwise impeccable Clearaudio Reference turntable, for example.

The second feature of digital that is a bar to my appreciation of it is that the music decays into an infinite darkness. This accounts in part for the clarity of digital playback, but it is completely unnatural. Real music decays into space that has density and dirt. The dark backgrounds of the digital domain do not replicate the space in which real music is played and recorded. As a result the way in which notes hang in space and decay in digital is far removed from the way in which notes are expressed and develop and meld with one another in the real world. This gives digital a kind of presence that is doubly weird. The music is presented hanging in space rather than as occupying space and so it stands out and an apart from what is in fact an integral part of it. At the same time the presentation is more a visual picture and leaves the listener at a distance from it thus creating a presence that oddly one cannot be immersed in.

Finally, partially as a result of one and two above, digital reproduction often strikes me as a collection of parts and not as an integrated whole. Digital playback lacks the kind of integration that presents the performance as structurally complete, as resolved, and thus as a potential source of meaning. All the elements are presented, but too often in a way that draws one's attention to their distinctiveness rather than to the contribution each makes to the meaning of a piece. If these elements of digital playback sound familiar to you, then the Reimyo digital front end may be your savior. For me, the Reimyo front end is analog like in that it overcomes much of what is artificial about digital… and more.

The Reimyo front end does not eliminate entirely the unnatural darkness into which digital sounds decay. That is very much a function of the recording technique I fear and can only be altered by CD playback adding ‘dirt' or ‘grain' that is itself an artifact, and likely to appear in places it is not wanted. In this regard, the Reimyo front end is essentially and unavoidably true to digital. Elsewhere it is much truer to music than to the medium.

Nowhere is this more noticeable than in the timing and flow of the musical presentation. The Reimyo front end presents the music in a forthright and direct yet altogether relaxed and natural manner. There is a grace to its presentation that is seductive and intoxicating. Yet there is nothing soft about it. There are no rounded edges or rolled off frequencies top or bottom. The presentation is honest and true, but the Reimyo almost looks beyond the mode of recording to the essential emotional and musical values of the performance itself.

It conveys everything that is essential to the musical event with a modesty and confidence that is beguiling. The Reimyo is (in my experience) unmatched in its timbral integrity and tonal accuracy. And when mated to the extraordinary transport gives the music a strong, unwavering and persuasive foundation that carries the performance from machine to one's heart. The Reimyo engages, engulfs and immerses the listener. It does not present the performance as something staged for one to observe from a distance – in another part of the room. It invites one into the performance; it immerses one in it as does vinyl.

As I mentioned above, I find most digital presentations to emphasize the parts at the expense of part-to-part and part-to-whole relationships. The music is taken apart but rarely put back together. The great thing about the Reimyo is that it misses none of the parts – and one can follow along to them or focus on them should one choose to do so – yet it draws one's attention to the whole; and it does so by revealing the structural integrity of the performance. A fully resolved performance is rendered as such. A less than fully realized work is portrayed accordingly.


This comes from the review of the Reimyo DAC at http://www.enjoythem...o_dap_999ex.htm

somehow the ADAMs seem to do to digitally generated analog signals, what this DAC does to digital signals. What I can't understand is why then analog generated signals also sound more coherent and accurate.

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Analog: Pink Triangle (totally Funked) Kuzma Stogi Reference, Soundsmith Straingauge Digital: modified CEC TL-51X transport , MacMini, Weiss Minerva DAC Tuner: Tandberg A3011 Preamp: Octave HP500se Speakers: ADAM Tensor Deltas | Vibration management: HRS | Cables: Argento Serenity, WSS Kabel, Nordost, Transparent, Cardas |

Second System Source: Cambridge Audio DV99 | Apple TV (Gen 1)| DACMagic | Amplification: Sugden A25 Speakers: ADAM HM2


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Posted 03 April 2009 - 09:15 AM

Nice purchase. they look a lot bigger in your room than on the ADAM web site.

Still interesting they have more detail than the Avantgardes .

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 04:33 PM

here's a frequency response curve in my room using a Mac programme called FuzzMeasure. The .10k response is my bright microphone artefact. I'm not claiming that it's laboratory accurate or even that it's a measure of the quality of the sound, but more FYI.

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Analog: Pink Triangle (totally Funked) Kuzma Stogi Reference, Soundsmith Straingauge Digital: modified CEC TL-51X transport , MacMini, Weiss Minerva DAC Tuner: Tandberg A3011 Preamp: Octave HP500se Speakers: ADAM Tensor Deltas | Vibration management: HRS | Cables: Argento Serenity, WSS Kabel, Nordost, Transparent, Cardas |

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 06:03 PM

Hi Prof, great looking speakers and thanks for the review, they're obviously stunning loudspeakers and I have had some very positive feedback from another SNA member. I presume the garnet is still the same lot I dropped around for the Solos.:)

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 06:07 PM

yes Keith, you gave me enough garnet to fill the Southern Star! Only 1 bag left now though.
That stuff sure is heavy!

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Analog: Pink Triangle (totally Funked) Kuzma Stogi Reference, Soundsmith Straingauge Digital: modified CEC TL-51X transport , MacMini, Weiss Minerva DAC Tuner: Tandberg A3011 Preamp: Octave HP500se Speakers: ADAM Tensor Deltas | Vibration management: HRS | Cables: Argento Serenity, WSS Kabel, Nordost, Transparent, Cardas |

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 06:37 PM

The speakers look great Prof, well done on what appears to be a great selection. I like your real world description of them.

Can you please describe how the EQ function works?
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Posted 03 April 2009 - 06:46 PM

as you can see from one of the photos of the rear panel, you can adjust absolute volume of all drivers, but also adjust each driver +/- 6dB. The puzzling absence of a manual stops me giving you more info than that but Warwick can probably tell you more. It's not infinitely adjustable but it is pretty flexible as each control adjusts a separate driver and it's own amplifier

Edited by proftournesol, 03 April 2009 - 08:05 PM.

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Analog: Pink Triangle (totally Funked) Kuzma Stogi Reference, Soundsmith Straingauge Digital: modified CEC TL-51X transport , MacMini, Weiss Minerva DAC Tuner: Tandberg A3011 Preamp: Octave HP500se Speakers: ADAM Tensor Deltas | Vibration management: HRS | Cables: Argento Serenity, WSS Kabel, Nordost, Transparent, Cardas |

Second System Source: Cambridge Audio DV99 | Apple TV (Gen 1)| DACMagic | Amplification: Sugden A25 Speakers: ADAM HM2


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Posted 03 April 2009 - 06:47 PM

A good read prof. We are getting quite a range of equipment to read about and listen to on SNA these days. Great stuff and congrats on a super upgrade!

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 06:48 PM

Thanks Prof, love to hear some one day.
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Posted 03 April 2009 - 08:11 PM

Hi All

Sorry I have not posted much on the forum. I have been busy delivering and setting up ADAM speakers to customers from the shipment just landed. Below are some photos of the colour choices we have available. Delta is a turnkey solution that makes life very simple for the user and with a very high WAF judging from the comments I have received so far. You can put together a minimalist system with a pair of Deltas, a PC like the Apple MacBook and a DAC-Pre like the Benchmark DAC-Pre. This gives you the option to add an analogue source later on or a subwoofer for more extended bass. The Delta already goes to 30Hz and gives excellent sound in a medium size room. I have played around with adding a JL Audio subwoofer with very pleasing results. I am currently running in a pair for my demo system and interested parties are welcome to hear them once that is complete. At the moment they are fighting for space with the Betas which are also being run in and I am finding it difficult to drag myself away from the Betas.

ADAM also produces a matching centre channel speaker to go with the Deltas so if you want a combined music and HT system you can have matched speakers all round.

Enjoy the photos. I am not the greatest photographer but you get the idea of the combinations available. The stands are custom items sourced from Germany and have quality to match the ADAM speakers.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 09:36 PM

Love the lookk of those black ones with the silver stands - awesome
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Posted 03 April 2009 - 09:55 PM

Great read Prof and congrats on the new speakers.
I heard the Gamma briefly last year and the impression is one of good resolution,plenty of air and great dynamic.Same trait with the Delta from your review and it's nice to have the built in equalisation function too.

The new stands looks much better and more solid than this one seen in some publicity shot. I can't believe Adam actually used this flimsy stands at audio show.
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Posted 03 April 2009 - 10:09 PM

Wot everyone else said, because it's true. Great review and a pleasure to read, Prof.

I'm a sucker for a good standmount and yours sound (and look) like they deliver the goods. They certainly are imposing beasts.
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Posted 04 April 2009 - 12:15 AM

Well Prof you sound like a happy owner of these speakers. I have only heard Adams very briefly once at Warwick's place and really didn't get much of an impression. They look quite interesting - what are the tweeters and midranges, some sort of ribbon? Didn't quite get the gist of it from the description on Pure Audio's web site.

I really liked the explanation of the problems with digital sound you posted too. I enjoy a CD now and then but digital just doesn't do it for me in the same way records do, and it is hard to put a finger on exactly why this is. That description added a lot to how I think about this.

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 12:00 PM

my understanding of it is that it's a folded diaphragm that moves like a concertina. Supposedly much more efficient at moving air than a piston speaker and as low mass as a more conventional ribbon. Not terribly efficient but with their own 250W amps driving each one that's a rather academic problem. Others will know more.

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Nice work Prof, I enjoyed the read immensly.
Now if I could just get a listen real soon :D
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Posted 22 May 2010 - 12:46 AM

prof,

Now that you have lived with these beauties for so long, what are your long term listening impressions. Strengths and weaknesses ?
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Posted 20 November 2011 - 12:58 AM

[quote name='WarwickF']Hi All

Sorry I have not posted much on the forum. I have been busy delivering and setting up ADAM speakers to customers from the shipment just landed. Below are some photos of the colour choices we have available. Delta is a turnkey solution that makes life very simple for the user and with a very high WAF judging from the comments I have received so far. You can put together a minimalist system with a pair of Deltas, a PC like the Apple MacBook and a DAC-Pre like the Benchmark DAC-Pre. This gives you the option to add an analogue source later on or a subwoofer for more extended bass. The Delta already goes to 30Hz and gives excellent sound in a medium size room. I have played around with adding a JL Audio subwoofer with very pleasing results. I am currently running in a pair for my demo system and interested parties are welcome to hear them once that is complete. At the moment they are fighting for space with the Betas which are also being run in and I am finding it difficult to drag myself away from the Betas.

ADAM also produces a matching centre channel speaker to go with the Deltas so if you want a combined music and HT system you can have matched speakers all round.

Enjoy the photos. I am not the greatest photographer but you get the idea of the combinations available. The stands are custom items sourced from Germany and have quality to match the ADAM speakers.

http://www.stereo.ne...=1&d=1238753178

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Hello Warwick,

I'm from France (sorry for my English ...)
And I have listened to Delta ... It was great and I think I'll listen to these speakers again ...
Or maybe to Beta model too ...

When I listened to Delta, it was with full active model ... and with CD drive connected with AES/EBU to a Digital acoustic processor (Trinnov ST2 hifi).
The Trinnov was used as digital acoustic active corrector + DAC (inside) + volume control.
it was easy tio listen with or without the active coorection by a "by pass" just on the iPad control ...
=> Have you tried such system with Delta or Beta ?

it was great ...

I have a MSB DACIV signature, and an ASR Emitter 1 Exclusive "Blue" version in my actual system.
So I know well ASR amplifiers and I've seen you are an ASR dealer too ...
=> Have you listen to Delta full active VS Delta semi-active ?
or the same with Beta ?
=> Do you prefer full active or semi-active + a good amplifier ?
And what about ASR Emitter with Tensor semi-active ?

Best regards

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 12:25 PM

Hi Frisounette

The questions you have posed are very thought provoking and ones that many audiophiles ask. I will answer your questions in the order you asked them.

Firstly, we have not tried the ADAM speakers with an external processor. Generally we have found that the room correction capability provided with the fully active ADAM Tensor speakers is sufficient for most rooms. In a computer based digital system it would not be difficult to add full room equalization via the playback software. I know that Amarra and a number of other programs have this. In a CD based system you would need a processor like the Trinnov to implement it.

Second, we have only imported the full active models of ADAM Tensor speakers so I have no experience with the semi-active models. The reason is the full active models offer extremely good value for money and make a very simple system. You can use your MSB DACIV Signature or any DAC with a volume control directly into ADAM speakers and get an excellent result. Some audiophiles prefer to choose their own amplification and not have the amplifiers provided by ADAM. This is why the semi active models exist. In the Asian market the semi active models are very popular and commonly partnered with brands like Accuphase. If you want to partner them with valve amplifiers there is an impedance matching circuit provided in the semi active models to optimize the interface with a valve amplifier.

Third, I have not heard a system with ADAM semi active + ASR, however I would imagine it to be very good. Since you are already an ASR owner you will know that the performance and value for money of the Emitter amplifiers is exceptional. If you consider the size of the transformers in the power supply and size of capacitor storage provided compared to competing products at similar price points it soon becomes apparent why ASR outperforms them. The money is spent on the components inside, rather than excessive casework. I would be interested to hear an ADAM + ASR combination myself.

You have spoken about ADAM Delta and Beta, but not Gamma. Beta is a much larger speaker than Delta and has a lot higher performance level. Are you thinking of Beta or is it Gamma, the model in between?

Please let us know how your search progresses.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 12:31 AM

thank you Warwick for your message ...

Yes, in my mind, using my MSB DACIV signature + his very good volume control + full active ADAM Tensor would be the best solution.
System as short as possible ...

I'll try to listen to ASR + semi-active ADAM Tensor ... but I think it will not be easy to find ...
If I find a possibility, I'll tell you here ...

The models of which I thought are Delta ... and if possible (because of money) maybe Beta.
I know there is Gamma model too ...
Can you say to me if there is a big step between Delta and Gamma ?
Then, can you tell me if Beta (and Gamma) have the same homogeneity that Delta ?
(at this moment, I only listen to Delta (in full active version) ...)

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 08:46 AM

Frisounette another option is Delta + active subs (like JL) instead of Delta, probably cheaper too.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 10:08 PM

Hi Proftournesol,

Yes, maybe ... I must look at this option Delta + sub(s).

I don't know very well JL Audio products ...
Which model would be the better choice for a combo with Delta ?

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Posted 22 November 2011 - 07:18 AM

2 x JL F110

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Posted 22 November 2011 - 05:32 PM

Hi Frisou

Prof is right, adding subs to the Deltas would be a good option. If you are listening to music only then JL f110 is big enough. However if you are into home cinema with big dinosaur foot stomps then you might want to go for bigger.

The difference between Delta and Gamma is just more bass extension. The sound otherwise is very similar. Beta is a significant step up because it is a 5 way system with a dedicated mid bass driver and separate cabinet for the bass. The overall sound improvement delivers more resolution, more push in the mid bass, and larger scale to the music. The decision of whether to go to Betas will depend on your room size and budget. If you have the space and budget then definitely go for Betas.

It does not matter which model you go for, the homogeneity of the sound is good with all the models. On axis and off axis they are very good and you can enjoy them for casual listening anywhere in the room as well as serious listening in the sweet spot.

I hope this helps you.

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Posted 22 November 2011 - 07:17 PM

Does Adam publish polar charts for their gear? I cant find online anywhere.

I'd love to hear a pair of these one day

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Posted 22 November 2011 - 08:36 PM

Does Adam publish polar charts for their gear? I cant find online anywhere.

I'd love to hear a pair of these one day


ADAM have not published anything that I have seen. However there are measurements available in reviews done by independent magazines in Europe. They show on axis and off axis response measurements.

You can find them here http://www.adam-audi.../beta/downloads
If you download the Stereoplay 11/07 English and Prestige Audio Video 03-04/09 pdf's you can find some measurements.
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Posted 02 February 2012 - 09:05 PM

Hi Frisou

Prof is right, adding subs to the Deltas would be a good option. If you are listening to music only then JL f110 is big enough. However if you are into home cinema with big dinosaur foot stomps then you might want to go for bigger.

The difference between Delta and Gamma is just more bass extension. The sound otherwise is very similar. Beta is a significant step up because it is a 5 way system with a dedicated mid bass driver and separate cabinet for the bass. The overall sound improvement delivers more resolution, more push in the mid bass, and larger scale to the music. The decision of whether to go to Betas will depend on your room size and budget. If you have the space and budget then definitely go for Betas.

It does not matter which model you go for, the homogeneity of the sound is good with all the models. On axis and off axis they are very good and you can enjoy them for casual listening anywhere in the room as well as serious listening in the sweet spot.

I hope this helps you.

Warwick


Hi WarwickF
I come back to you ...

And what about REL's subwoofers ?
for exemple Gibraltar G1 or G2 models ?
http://www.rel.net/index2.htm

best regards
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Hi Marc

I only have experience with JL Audio subs but there is no reason why the REL should not work.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 02:06 PM

Hi Prof,

well I see that this is nearly a three year old thread!!! I enjoyed reading your thoughts, and I just wondered from a now long-term user of the delta's whether or not you had any further comments, thoughts regarding the deltas and your experience with them? I am sure you are still enjoying the sound of your system immensely - just wondered if you could give us a three year anniversary update?

They look the goods- I would be interested in hearing the Adam's one day- either the deltas or the gamma's.

James

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Posted 26 March 2012 - 03:26 PM


3 year update.


The Deltas are still in my system, surely a good sign, and I'm still very happy with them. I alway find it hard to comment on a component, as always we are listening to a system, however I can comment on the system and the Delta's contribution to it. Long ago my ears passed the point where they had been to too many loud concerts so these days I value accuracy and resolution above all. This is one of the hallmark features that the Deltas bring to my system. What is really clear since I added the Strain Gauge system to my turntable is how good these speakers are with timbre and conveying the musical emotion of a performance without adding coloration. Sure, they have as flat a frequency response and low distortion as my room allows and bass good enough to have people looking around for a sub, but at the end of the day this is a system for enjoyment of music and timbre and emotion as well as PRaT are an essential part of any good recording so any system that I like must be good at transmitting this. It's clear that there would be a lot more improvement to one from my system before I'd find the speakers a limiting factor.



The down sides: 10k Ohm input impedance is a difficult load for some preamps so matching is important, especially valve preamps. I'm still using a TVC passive preamp and this works well, however an active preamp would be the next step for me; the ADAMs have a self-start sensing switch that isn't triggered by the passive preamp so I have to turn them on manually. That's it, I'm happy.



I'm mystified that nobody has bought the Avantgardes, in 3 years only 1 person even bothered to audition them. I think that at that price point people are very conservative buyers and no matter how good a product, if it isn't a 'safe brand' it'll languish in the For sale section no matter what the quality.


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Posted 05 April 2012 - 12:23 PM

The down sides: 10k Ohm input impedance is a difficult load for some preamps so matching is important, especially valve preamps. I'm still using a TVC passive preamp and this works well, however an active preamp would be the next step for me; the ADAMs have a self-start sensing switch that isn't triggered by the passive preamp so I have to turn them on manually. That's it, I'm happy.


Could you expand on that, I have no idea what impact it has on component choices.


I`m considering the Delta`s fed directly by a Bel Canto 1.5 DAC.

Would that work?


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